NOS haters, help me understand.

[xjon]

Please, I did not start this thread to start a flaming circus. I just want to know why there are so many people here that responds so negatively regarding this system. I'm not in the racing scene but love high performance vehicles. I am also not completely literate about this subject since I've only read one book (supercharging, turbocharging, and nitrous oxide performance handbook). So, like I said in the title, please help me understand why some are so anti-NOS.

[SeVa-S13]

Firstly, as I'm sure many will point out, "NOS" is a company. Nitrous Oxide is the issue. Some people hate it because they're ignorant. Others because they think it's cool to hate all thing popular, especially if it was in the dreaded "The Fast and the Furious." :rolleyes

Using Nitrous Oxide correctly and effectively is one of the most devestatingly effective (especially cost effective) ways to go fast. Now, of course there are those who have no idea what they're doing, and blow their uber D15s into a million pieces and say that "NAWS" is dangerous and a bad idea. But if you're competent with tuning and installation, it's a great way for short bursts of power. Just ask Aries.

[916drifter]

Firstly, as I'm sure many will point out, "NOS" is a company. Nitrous Oxide is the issue. Some people hate it because they're ignorant. Others because they think it's cool to hate all thing popular, especially if it was in the dreaded "The Fast and the Furious." :rolleyes

Using Nitrous Oxide correctly and effectively is one of the most devestatingly effective (especially cost effective) ways to go fast. Now, of course there are those who have no idea what they're doing, and blow their uber D15s into a million pieces and say that "NAWS" is dangerous and a bad idea. But if you're competent with tuning and installation, it's a great way for short bursts of power. Just ask Aries.

U agree with you but i guess since "The Fast and The Furious"came out, i think it just made it look pretty stupid. But you do prove a good point. If you know what you are doing with it and are using it right, then its just another charger. But a lot less than turboing and supering. But doesnt NOS hurt the engine more?

[xjon]

N20 same as turbo or supercharge will hurt the engine if it is misused, installed incorrectly or not tuned properly.

I'm still waiting for more replies but it will be sad to see that the only reason why people are so against N20 is because it is popular, cheap (meaning everyone can have it), or that it was portrayed "wrong" in the movie. I hope that ALOT of people here are not that arrogant and close-minded about something that is actually a good product.

Don't get me wrong. I am not here wanting to be convinced that I need or want a N20 system in my car.

[SeVa-S13]

It essentially accomplishes the same goal: more oxygen to allow for more fuel to go boom.

[Altiman94]

nitrous is just about 1/4th the price of turbo or supercharging an engine it seems. People think because its cheaply priced that it is also cheating.

[xjon]

cheating what? let's say two cars two drivers with mods to their cars but one paid less for the mods but similar performance. is that cheating?

please take note that in no way my responses are attacks or on the offensive. just being a "devils advocate".

[Aries]

Firstly, as I'm sure many will point out, "NOS" is a company. Nitrous Oxide is the issue. Some people hate it because they're ignorant. Others because they think it's cool to hate all thing popular, especially if it was in the dreaded "The Fast and the Furious." :rolleyes

Using Nitrous Oxide correctly and effectively is one of the most devestatingly effective (especially cost effective) ways to go fast. Now, of course there are those who have no idea what they're doing, and blow their uber D15s into a million pieces and say that "NAWS" is dangerous and a bad idea. But if you're competent with tuning and installation, it's a great way for short bursts of power. Just ask Aries.

yep yep.SeVa's got it right.Those that think nitrous is "cheating" or "Dangerous" are simply mis-informed.

Done properly, nitrous is one of the most effective power adders out there.

[k6kicker]

I'm not a hater. but for my situation it would be a waste...I'd rather have a car that was fast in more then just a stright line and some real boost helps there, but putting money into suspension mods and whatnot seems a better idea, or something that will add power ALL the time.....it's just too specialized for my taste

[The Mic]

bah Nitrous is a crutch!!

[JESTER]

People dont like ricers. Ricers use naws. That is the biggest thing right there. Nitrous Oxide. Like the other gentleman said. Nitrous when used properly is the best bang for the buck.

Nitrous is fine and dandy if you know how to install it, and use it. But some want it because it is the cool thing.

I like nitrous but I dont think people have the respect for the product. Like a teenager on a sport bike.

[xjon]

kicker- you're right, it won't apply to cornering or autocross for that fact. Now what if you're at a track that has a nice long straight? Now, if there are no rules governing the N20 then why can't people use it without getting bashed. What they should say is "congrats, I can't believe your engine was built so well to handle that much power all throughout the race". It's not just power in track racing right, durability also.

As for s13guy- give me something valid. that's like saying "yo mama"

[Phax]

I'm not sure how much nitrous bottles cost, because I've only paid recreational prices for the stuff. I do know that to do it right (direct port), and have it tuned, plus the cost of what.... 10-20 bottles a year? In about a year or two, you've already paid for the cost of a turbo and tuning.

[xjon]

Jester- okay some ignorant people are using "naws" that is a fact. I mean I've been at a shop before and some kid was asking how much for 100-150 shot of N20 to go into his "car" with an intake/exhaust. Fine that is valid.

If it is a fad, why do you hate it. Is it because it will beat alot of finely tuned cars out there? Finely tuned equipment has one thing these fad chasers cant have and that is durability. Correct me if I'm wrong. But hey, if they have the money to keep rebuilding their engine, hell, let'em be. It will hopefully teach them something in the long run.

[240SXedUp]

By saying you don't like something because it was overplayed in a movie is like saying I shouldn't wear red tights and a cape anymore because it was in superman. But seriously, i dont hate nitrous, i hate ricers who are obsessed with it. I hate the people who put a 100 shot into a stock civic and watch their engine implode. I could care less whats "in" and whats original. If it works ill use it. Form over function baby. I can see why some people wouldnt like it because they may view it as "lazy." Its like getting something made in a factory (naaawz) or getting something handmade by a craftsman (turbo). All depends on the person who's looking at it.

[xjon]

Phax- I would think the ones with sulfur added to the mixture is a little cheaper compared to the medical grade you're used to:)

Now we're talking about the psychos who don't know anything but an engine with a blue tank is faster mentallity. Pretty much a dry shot. Not the same level as Aries. "Uh, what's a solnoid"

But why is it considered "cheating" or a "crutch"?

[xjon]

thanks 240sxedup.

Correct, N20 is manufactured for the Plug and play people. I mean the kits themselves come with different nozzles that you would plug in depending on your application.

Now what about the turbo kits? Aren't those packaged for the simple mechanical skilled people? "but you have to get it tuned"Same with N20 if you don't want it to mess-up anything, correct?

[JESTER]

I was editing my post some to add to it, didnt know you guys were still replying.

I dont hate it, I like nitrous. I dislike some of the people using it, because they for one, dont know how to drive in the first place. Two, they cant even say Nitrous, Nitrous Oxide, or N2O. Hearing kids say man i just got my Zex nos kit, really iritates me.

We dislike some of the users, and how some of them use it.

There are those that do belive that all motor or turbo is better than Nitrous. But that is ignorance of the product. It is the best bang for the buck, if used properly.

[xjon]

Why "cheating"? I can see if one entered a race and claimed to be running "all engine" and had a hidden bottle. Now that is cheating.

But to say "hey that is not fair that you got 400 HP because you are squeezing and I only got 380hp because im not". What is to compare? Isn't that why there is a seperate class for the people with the bottles? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've never been to a strip, just what I've heard or read.

[JESTER]

I had a friend in a Corvette barely win against a Civic with a 75 shot. This would have been a good kill for the civic. But the driver knew what it was, and how to install and use it.

Should not have been racing on the crowded city streets. That is something else that is stupid that the ignorant do.

[JESTER]

Nothing cheating about it. They say that crap because you only paid 500 dollars to get your extra 75 horse power and they had to do head work, cams, and an ecu.

[xjon]

Yes Jester, kids will irritate us just by being themselves. I won't drive by a high school during their lunch hour or after school.

You're right, alot of the users are ignorant. But unfortunately that is all they know or can afford. Why are we so intent on stoping them. I say we can try to show them or educate them what open-minded experienced tuners (not that I'm one) this society is. I think it's cool to see these kids putting some effort into their cars. All start somewhere, right?

I still think it's sad to have this technology have a bad rap due to it's over-exposure, simplicity, and cost-effectiveness.

[The Mic]

I don’t like it for the following reason(s):

Let’s say for example my car, a 240sx, has a ka24de (slow pos stock), intake and headers and a big coffee can muffler. No let’s say I want to go up against an all stock sr20det. My 240sx will need about 150 shot of nitrous to beat it. Now let’s say I win and I kill the sr with the aid of nitrous. Sure I beat it, but I was only that fast for that short amount of time. I am not always that fast. I can only beat the sr20det w/ a 150 shot of nitrous otherwise ill get burned.Another reason I don’t like it is because it’s the easy/kiddies path to more hp. Id like to tune the car to xxx hp rather than take the easy way and just have xx hp for a short race. Another reason I don’t like it is because ppl are trying to use it in touge racing. seriously these ppl are dumb asses Oo I just remembered a rice quote about that!!!

[xjon]

I believe in the head work, cams , ecu way. I believe that it will last longer when something is built correctly.

And if I was that kid in the civic I would be proud of what I have accomplished. Maybe go to a bigger nozzle next time:)

[JESTER]

That is true, we all do have to start somewhere.

Alot of my thing is, they dont take the time to find out or research anything. They see Nos and want it. And again, that is probally what some of the haters dislike about it. It took no knowledge to obtain. They know nothing about their car but are modifing it. And with a potentially dangerous componet.

[xjon]

s13guy- If you beat it you beat it. Don't matter how long the race is or where its at. I got beat by a civic one time with turbo in it. I asked him to race Ortega highway he backed down. So yeah, if he had a N20 or turbo at the stop light he did beat me. I asked for a second chance on the twisties unfortunately he declined. My loss.

A "kiddie" path? what is the adult path, the harder more expensive way?

Sorry,What is touge racing?

Another thing, part of winning races is how one or the other sets-up their car. So what if someone sets up their car with N20? If they win, great, they had a better set-up than you. Denial- it's not just a river in Egypt.

[goldollar]

I like anything that makes power. But i cant lie i really dont like nitrous, because in my opinion its not the same quality as a good motor build and setup froced inducted (other then N2O) OR NA. Building a motor and or building a really stout setup is like a science. How many peopel can say that they can honestly build a really good motor that is calculated and well thought out. Not many, sure people can throw some pistons and connecting rods in a motor, and make power, but there isnt really to many people that can design a motor that is the ****. But dont get me wrong if i had like a t78 `or a massive turbo i would use N2O to help spool that turbo up. Ive also been talkin my friend into throwing a 50-75 shot on his Civic GSR, as well as upgrade his ignition system to optimize the set-up. I think when it comes down to it people just have they're preferences. And anyone that says they dont like something but cant give a reason are just retarded and dont know anything, they proablly just said it cause everyon else is.

[D-UNIT]

^^ wow man!! and you're talking about ignorance!! I hit a 14.5sec. et @ 99mph w/ a 75 shot on my pos kade. That is more than enough to beat a stock sr. If I had a 150 shot I probably could hit low 13's on street tires. think pal. but honestly nitrous is pretty much for drag race only. A full tank is only good for about 4 miles or 16 quarter miles w/ a weak shot and maybe like 7 or 8 with a 150 shot. If you ask me I'd say it is not the best bang at all. At one time I was spending 200 bucks a month on nitrous.

[D-UNIT]

darn real time posts for s13guy.

[goldollar]

I like real power (same amount of power all the time) But if u use nitrious to get that little edge to get the win nothing wrong with that, but in my opinion theres no beter felling hen getting in a car that can make power anytime u want it.