My sr20 vs my buddies Evo 8

[fregisr]

My mods are as followsxs fmicwalbro fuel pumpmeagan exhaust manifold3 inch custom down pipe2.5 inch exhausttest pipekoyo aluminum radiatoropen diffhks ssqv bov12~13 psiKN&N fipk II intake

EVO stock everything

outcome

roll - done 3 times and the same outcome everytime3rd gear pull from 50 to 110 dead even, we would pull on each other only when shifting gears.

digEVO pull on one car until the end of 3rd gear when it was only about quarter of a car .

ConclusionI am very happy with my baby
Modified by fregisr at 9:07 PM 3/18/2006

[Silvia007]

I did the same thing with similar mods up against a buddy's Evo 8 MR. Needless to say, I too am happy.

[corey240]

and i get beat by a freakin sr4. but its moded!

[fregisr]

and i get beat by a freakin sr4. but its moded!

those srt4 has sweet power spot from 50 to 120 mph, I can honestly tell you that from owning one. which I have come to another conlusion, I need to do something about my sr20 since I can't have a faster daily driver(srt4) than my project car....lol.

[wildacexxx]

so a stock srt4 is faster than a evo 8?

[Beemen550]

so a stock srt4 is faster than a evo 8?

hell no, a stock meaning no stages srt-4 is like a mid to low 14 sec car, and if u cant hit 13's in your evo then damn it aint the car its YOU.

[fregisr]

on a roll, but I am not about to have this arguement again. Regardless of what I say some people still would argue it. My best friend with an evo even agrees to it.But here is the run down. Wheel horse power wise srt4 and evo are about the same. Evo has all wheel drive so it has alot better take off from the dig and will eat the srt, but on a roll, awd actually starts to hurt it enough where the srt4 fwd just starts walking. I have raced a couple of different evos 8 (stock) and outcome is always the same. Srt4 starts walking the EVO slowly little by little. Like I said at the beggining of this responses, let end it at that because some one is always going to argue it.

[fregisr]

hell no, a stock meaning no stages srt-4 is like a mid to low 14 sec car, and if u cant hit 13's in your evo then damn it aint the car its YOU.

also do you know what it takes to get the EVO to low 13's Take the rpm around 4.5~5.8k and pop the clutch. Those stock clutches won't last very long if you keep on launching like that. Do you know how hard it is to replace the clutch on an EVO. Let's say around 12 hours with 3 guys. That's with just floor jacks and stands. Just put it this way, my buddy doesn't really like to launch it like that unless his life is depending on it. Besides I don't ever wish to see the clutch out of that evo again, but I have a feeling another 30k miles will be doing it again. Even last night when I raced him with my sr20, he didn't drop and launch and maybe that explains why I was only a car behind him.

[karmakaze]

you can always still laugh at srt4 drivers though because they are driving a neon with the engine from a pt crusier.

i swear, srt4 owners are worse than honda drivers. hell i would rather driver a civic than those dodge pieces of ****. i cant wait to see how poorly they hold up after they start to age.

[NoOneBetter]

you can always still laugh at srt4 drivers though because they are driving a neon with the engine from a pt crusier.

i swear, srt4 owners are worse than honda drivers. hell i would rather driver a civic than those dodge pieces of ****. i cant wait to see how poorly they hold up after they start to age.

[srdrps13]

ever drive an srt4? i hate it when people talk crap about other cars...

"mustangs are crap blah blah"

grow up.. if you dont like it dont go out and buy one

[DrifterProdigy85]

Ive driven a few EVO's that were stock and they werent impressive at all mashing 2nd and 3rd. There trap in a 1/4 is around 98mph and you have to have a good launch to get that. My SR at 10psi ran 100mph with a ****ty 2.3 60 ft launch. EVO's are overpriced in my eyes.

Ive ran my friends SRT4 with Stage 1 Mopar kit and pulled him by 2 cars in 2nd and kept pulling in 3rd, this being at 15psi with a leaky manifold gasket. SRT4's havnt impressed me much except for how they sound.

[90 hatch driver]

hey whats up bro

[karmakaze]

ever drive an srt4? i hate it when people talk crap about other cars...

"mustangs are crap blah blah"

grow up.. if you dont like it dont go out and buy one

what makes you think i haven’t driven one? don't assume things. I don't just hate things for no reason.

Mustangs are a step up from srt4s. At least Ford understands the concept of quality and workmanship. The most important factor in a vehicle is quality. And sorry, thats not something dodge is known for. If you look at the specs of the engine in comparison to other engines it is actually pretty weak for what it is.

i am personally not impressed with neons or the pt crusier. so what would an srt4 impress me?

the srt4 is a cheap sports car for people who can not afford a real sports car. thats dodges marketing plan. and the fact that they tuned it down so you will spend more money with them to do stage upgrades is a ripoff.

grow up. this is an automotive forum. we talk about cars here. the good and the bad whether its opinion or not.

[dontbugme]

what makes you think i haven’t driven one? don't assume things. I don't just hate things for no reason.

Take your own advice and don't make stupid statements that clearly show you don't have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Case in point, in another thread you stated you were for the longest time never impressed by the quality and workmanship of Dodge cars. I guess you were living in a cave when Chrysler announced their merger with Mercedes to form DaimlerChrysler (in which subsequent Mercedes tech found its way in Chrysler & Dodge vehicles). I guess you don't even know what the hell makes a Hemi one of the best big liter V8's on the market today, due to its uniquely designed hemispherical combustion chamber. You probably clueless of the background of Dodge's SRT division, not to mention the wide recognition and acclaim MOPAR received since its inception.

No, all we have is a biased (for whatever reason) moron like yourself that speaks opinionated trash, and you don't even have the intelligence to properly explain yourself.

Mustangs are a step up from srt4s. At least Ford understands the concept of quality and workmanship.

That's funny, Ford isn't a name that's widely recognized for quality and workmanship. Ford has had several times more recalls than Dodge over the last ten years (go ahead and look it up). So where do you get your comparisons of "quality and workmanship" for Ford and Dodge, other than out your ***? Even Ford's breadwinner, their F-series pickup trucks, have trailed behind Dodge's Ram series in almost every automotive review over the last few years.

The most important factor in a vehicle is quality. And sorry, thats not something dodge is known for. If you look at the specs of the engine in comparison to other engines it is actually pretty weak for what it is.

It's ignorance like that from people like you, who have this predetermined bias in their head, that really brings disgrace to people in the automotive industry.

Exactly what "specs" of the engine is weak? Would you care to explain in detail please? Last I checked, every automotive review actually gave props to the SRT team for actually putting out a strong, reliable 4 cylinder engine....and offering upgrade paths directly from the manufacturer. I guess this is part of your idiotic ignorance....I suggest you do a bit of research behind the SRT division. Since they were first founded, they brought back Dodge back into the performance forefront (the first project being to revamp the viper, and recently the Charger/300/Jeep SRT-8). The SRT-4 was designed as a tuner car, and that's exactly what makes it great....plug and play OEM upgradability. How many other manufacturer's offer that? Now what was that you were saying about effort put into quality and workmanship?

i am personally not impressed with neons or the pt crusier. so what would an srt4 impress me?

Plenty of things to be impressed about. I personally like how advanced the PCM is. Of course, to each his own.....but don't let personal bias be the engine behind your arguments, because then someone like me comes along and exposes that ignorance.

the srt4 is a cheap sports car for people who can not afford a real sports car.

This coming from someone driving a ghetto 240SX. LOL.

thats dodges marketing plan. and the fact that they tuned it down so you will spend more money with them to do stage upgrades is a ripoff

Looking at your mod list I guess you're a sucker for being ripped off as well. How dare these aftermarket companies charge me money for upgrading! Why didn't Nissan make the 300ZX 500hp instead of 300hp? What a rip off. LOL.

Once again, you're just showing how much of a complete MORON you are...you have NO clue as to the background of MOPAR and DaimlerChrysler's SRT division. It's great to finally have an OEM parts specialist like Mopar, combined with a brilliant engineering team, to offer aftermarket quality upgrades to their own manufactured vehicles.

How many upgrades can you stick on a 350Z that's directly from Nissan? Nada. Want to make your 425 hp Charger/300 SRT-8 even faster? Toss in a cold air intake, upgraded exhaust, or performanced tuned PCM, or any other assortment of mods.....all directly from Mopar. You can even order the parts from the same dealership you bought the car from and have them install it.

Now how you see that as negative is beyond me.

grow up. this is an automotive forum. we talk about cars here. the good and the bad whether its opinion or not.

Yes, good advice...grow up. People with intelligence don't spout out opinions as facts.

[wildacexxx]

^^^now whos talking shytt. last time i checked u can get nismo parts for alot of the nissans out right now and wont void warranty. also nismo offers packages such as s-tuned and r-tuned again right out the dealership. u say he and all of us here drive "ghetto 240's"? but it seems like our 240's for being so old and "ghetto" can out handle a neon (because really its all that it is) any day of the week

[Deadrodent]

dudes, stop destroying our NICO experience. NISSAN rocks and that's all that matters. SRT4's should get props from all of us. they give our cars a run for the money...until we start modding our ish.

and isn't it good to atleast see a small displacement turbo motor (like the motor in the srt4) whoop on 5.slows and horribly bondo'd civics? TURBO POWER.

[dontbugme]

Thats Nissan's marketing plan. and the fact that they tuned it down so you will spend more money with them to do stage upgrades is a ripoff.

A 240 out handle a Neon any day of the week? Either:

A. You mean a true Neon. An SRT-4 will rip a stock 240 a new one (good luck finding one with even decent milage these days). B. You need to put some ghetto mods on a ghetto 240 to compete with a stock SRT-4.C. You must be thinking of a day that's not Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, or Sat.

[nismofly]

hahahahaha

obviously if you think mopar is new youre the one needing your facts straight, and by the way weve had nismo for about 25 years now too, same as mopar...theres ford racing does the same thing, gm goodwrench, honda has mugen, toyota trd, mazda mazdaspeed...

yeah theres no other companies doing that

the new hemi's are nothing more than a badge, they dont have hemispherical combustion chambers like the old ones did

oh yeah, you can get dealer parts from nissan too, its awful they dont come in stages of course

ive got the catalog sitting next to me in fact

oh and by the way the 240sx new was priced in the high teens to start, then the s14 was low to mid 20's, cars that are over 5 years old do lose value after all, actually more than the srt 4

the neon is known for having the lowest resale value of any car anywhere, it depreciates about $5,000 the day you drive it off the lot

srt 4's are good cars, but you speak of the srt line like its the only thing that exists, when in fact theres a lot more out there

the 240 is a car that can be made reliably faster for a lot less money, just because its a few years old doesnt make it ghetto...my buddies 98 neon is a lot more ghetto than my 89, and going by that thinking srt4's will be ghetto in about 5 years

[dontbugme]

Before you ask people to get their facts straight you should check yours. The new Hemi's still feature the hemispherical combustion chambers (with improved dynamics):http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html

And keep referring to the regular Neon, it just makes you fellas look more ignorant. The SRT-4 holds its value rather well, as you can check by going to KBB.com. It may actually even appreciate a little since the new SRT-4 is based off the caliber platform, the old one will likely be in higher demand.

[nismofly]

one more thing

Why didn't Nissan make the 300ZX 500hp instead of 300hp? What a rip off. LOL.

the same reason all other high end sports cars came out of japan with 276 hp, an agreement as to where to set the max for the class between the manufacturers

in japan cars came in classes, for this class they all were limited to 276, it takes nothing to get a ton more out of them, unlike the srt

yep its a rip that you can get another 150 hp from a supra for the price of a boost controller

Yes, good advice...grow up. People with intelligence don't spout out opinions as facts.

then stop doing it

[dontbugme]

Last I checked the Nissan 300ZX was rated at 300hp and the Toyota Supra 320hp. Stock 240SX? 155hp. LOL. I guess it takes nothing to swap out an engine to get a ton out of it, unlike an SRT where you just add a plug n play staged kit. LOL.

Oh, and a stock SRT-4 will hang right there with a stock 350Z. LOL.

[nismofly]

Last I checked the Nissan 300ZX was rated at 300hp and the Toyota Supra 320hp. Stock 240SX? 155hp. LOL. I guess it takes nothing to swap out an engine to get a ton out of it, unlike an SRT where you just add a plug n play staged kit. LOL.

Oh, and a stock SRT-4 will hang right there with a stock 350Z. LOL.

they bumped the power a bit when they came over, that doesnt change the fact that you can get another 100 or more hp for a few hundred dollars

comparing the stock 240 to the stock srt is bs

shall we compare an s15 to the srt? equal playing field that way

as ive said, the srt is a good car, but its not as god like as you all play it out to be

its good for what it is, just like these days the 240 is good for what it is, an inexpensive yet still highly reliable car that can be made a lot faster than the srt for a lot less money

you keep saying all 240's are ghetto, that right there shows how little you know about the car

you always say "its not a neon"...it is, a number of things done to it, but it still is a neon

the corvette c6r's you see racing at le mans may be 10 million dollar race cars, but theyre still corvettes...the new z06 even uses the same exact frame as the c6r

also:

"Chrysler introduced a modern Hemi in 2002. This engine is not a true hemispherical head engine; it has a polyspherical combustion chamber, but retains the Hemi's traditional inline perpendicular valves"

[dontbugme]

as ive said, the srt is a good car, but its not as god like as you all play it out to be

I know it's a good car, and I know it's not the end all, be all of tuner cars. My initial response was towards Karmake who for some reason had a grudge against Dodge's quality and workmanship. Take a ride in a Dodge Charger SRT-8 and you'll see how utterly off the mark that notion is. An SRT-4 is a great car. It's based off the Neon platform, so that will hamper some people's interest. However, that's where the similarities end.. Everything from the engine, the suspension, transmissions, wheels, etc... is entirely different from the Neon, even the seats. If you actually took the time and compare the two, you'll see there's very little similarities between an SRT-4 and a regular Neon other than chassis and radio location.

ts good for what it is, just like these days the 240 is good for what it is, an inexpensive yet still highly reliable car that can be made a lot faster than the srt for a lot less money

That can be said for any decade old car, against any new car. Not a valid argument. I can take a $500 1990's Honda CRX shell and smoke a 2005 Mustang Cobra for less money. That's not the point.

In the same token, I would take 1995-98 3000GT VR-4 instead of a 240SX. Minimal money and mods for a great 12 second AWD daily driver.

Every source I've looked at reinforces the fact the Hemi has hemispherical chambers. Whether the one I linked above, or even one from popular mechanics:http://www.popularmechanics.co....html

Of course it's not the same Hemi from the 60's.


Modified by dontbugme at 11:30 PM 3/19/2006

[nismofly]

actually ive ridden in and driven the new vipers at the track, both new and old, i prefer the old GTS still

as for the 3000gt, i know that was just a poke in the wind, but as you can see a lot people including yours truly care about reliability, and handling, both of which the 3000 is known to lack

the 3000gt is a heavy straight line oriented car, and very unreliable, if what youre looking for is awd you can get an old impreza 2.5rs and drop in an ej20, heck the first wrx's are almost in that price range these days

if youre not looking for awd, 240 will do 12s easy with simple engine stuff, or for a few thousand more you could get a z32

if reliability didnt matter id be driving an FD rx7 or an e36 m3 right now, but it does

[srdrps13]

"the srt4 is a cheap sports car for people who can not afford a real sports car...."

hm.. the last time i checked.. the 240 wasn''t too high in price lol..

i also noticed how biased you are about dodge as a company in your other post... this is clearly your "opinion"

"If you look at the specs of the engine in comparison to other engines it is actually pretty weak for what it is."

** show me these specs that "you" are comparingi'd like to see them.

[wildacexxx]

Thats Nissan's marketing plan. and the fact that they tuned it down so you will spend more money with them to do stage upgrades is a ripoff.

A 240 out handle a Neon any day of the week? Either:

A. You mean a true Neon. An SRT-4 will rip a stock 240 a new one (good luck finding one with even decent milage these days). B. You need to put some ghetto mods on a ghetto 240 to compete with a stock SRT-4.C. You must be thinking of a day that's not Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, or Sat.

hmm. fwd turbo 4 door outhandling a rwd 2 door car lets see you're reasoning.

a. the srt-4 weighs more so it that helps it grip betterb. the srt-4 has 0 camber upfront which all touring cars have to hold the road betterc. torque steer actually helps a car steer better through corners and induces under-over-grippy neutral steer all in one swoop

and with all that said i would rather drive a honda and have piece of mind than to drive a NEON

[karmakaze]

what makes you think i haven’t driven one? don't assume things. I don't just hate things for no reason.

Take your own advice and don't make stupid statements that clearly show you don't have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Case in point, in another thread you stated you were for the longest time never impressed by the quality and workmanship of Dodge cars. I guess you were living in a cave when Chrysler announced their merger with Mercedes to form DaimlerChrysler (in which subsequent Mercedes tech found its way in Chrysler & Dodge vehicles). I guess you don't even know what the hell makes a Hemi one of the best big liter V8's on the market today, due to its uniquely designed hemispherical combustion chamber. You probably clueless of the background of Dodge's SRT division, not to mention the wide recognition and acclaim MOPAR received since its inception.

No, all we have is a biased (for whatever reason) moron like yourself that speaks opinionated trash, and you don't even have the intelligence to properly explain yourself.

Mustangs are a step up from srt4s. At least Ford understands the concept of quality and workmanship.

That's funny, Ford isn't a name that's widely recognized for quality and workmanship. Ford has had several times more recalls than Dodge over the last ten years (go ahead and look it up). So where do you get your comparisons of "quality and workmanship" for Ford and Dodge, other than out your ***? Even Ford's breadwinner, their F-series pickup trucks, have trailed behind Dodge's Ram series in almost every automotive review over the last few years.

The most important factor in a vehicle is quality. And sorry, thats not something dodge is known for. If you look at the specs of the engine in comparison to other engines it is actually pretty weak for what it is.

It's ignorance like that from people like you, who have this predetermined bias in their head, that really brings disgrace to people in the automotive industry.

Exactly what "specs" of the engine is weak? Would you care to explain in detail please? Last I checked, every automotive review actually gave props to the SRT team for actually putting out a strong, reliable 4 cylinder engine....and offering upgrade paths directly from the manufacturer. I guess this is part of your idiotic ignorance....I suggest you do a bit of research behind the SRT division. Since they were first founded, they brought back Dodge back into the performance forefront (the first project being to revamp the viper, and recently the Charger/300/Jeep SRT-8). The SRT-4 was designed as a tuner car, and that's exactly what makes it great....plug and play OEM upgradability. How many other manufacturer's offer that? Now what was that you were saying about effort put into quality and workmanship?

i am personally not impressed with neons or the pt crusier. so what would an srt4 impress me?

Plenty of things to be impressed about. I personally like how advanced the PCM is. Of course, to each his own.....but don't let personal bias be the engine behind your arguments, because then someone like me comes along and exposes that ignorance.

the srt4 is a cheap sports car for people who can not afford a real sports car.

This coming from someone driving a ghetto 240SX. LOL.

thats dodges marketing plan. and the fact that they tuned it down so you will spend more money with them to do stage upgrades is a ripoff

Looking at your mod list I guess you're a sucker for being ripped off as well. How dare these aftermarket companies charge me money for upgrading! Why didn't Nissan make the 300ZX 500hp instead of 300hp? What a rip off. LOL.

Once again, you're just showing how much of a complete MORON you are...you have NO clue as to the background of MOPAR and DaimlerChrysler's SRT division. It's great to finally have an OEM parts specialist like Mopar, combined with a brilliant engineering team, to offer aftermarket quality upgrades to their own manufactured vehicles.

How many upgrades can you stick on a 350Z that's directly from Nissan? Nada. Want to make your 425 hp Charger/300 SRT-8 even faster? Toss in a cold air intake, upgraded exhaust, or performanced tuned PCM, or any other assortment of mods.....all directly from Mopar. You can even order the parts from the same dealership you bought the car from and have them install it.

Now how you see that as negative is beyond me.

grow up. this is an automotive forum. we talk about cars here. the good and the bad whether its opinion or not.

Yes, good advice...grow up. People with intelligence don't spout out opinions as facts.

My experience comes from working on cars, and working in technical support for DaimlerChrysler's. I have worked on old and new cars. There are several things that I take into consideration when I like a car, a lot of it has to do with engineering and how easy it is to work on. Which is why I love Nissans, They are the easiest vehicles I have found to work on. Things just make sense and you can drive the hell out of them.

Ok here is something I should have pointed out, I hate dodge cars. However, they do make a good truck. And I should also point out some of your ignorance. SRT is not Mopar.

SRT is for OEM pretuning. Mopar would be comparable to Nismo.

That’s because when there is a reason for a recall Ford just does it. I am going to assume you’re ignorant of the process so let me explain it to you. Let’s say out of nowhere your airbags deploy while you’re driving down the road. You call the automotive company, they bull**** and try to ignore you, you finally harass them enough for them to pay attention, they send out an automotive engineer to assess your car, regardless of what this engineer tells them, they send you a letter saying that airbags don’t randomly deploy and that you must of hit something but out of the kindness of their heart they will pay for it. This keeps them from having to report it as a defect.

2003-2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4Created by Dodge's PVO team, the SRT-4 powered by a 2.4L turbo engine. The engine, underrated at 215 hp in 2003, is now rated at 230 hp and comes standard with an LSD for 2004. Numerous Mopar upgrades are also available.Base price : $18,970 Engine : 4 cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine FWDDisplacement : 2,429 ccValve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinderTransmission : 5-spd manualFuel economy : city - 22 mpg highway - 30 mpgSuspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut R - Independent multilinkBrakes : F - Vented discs R - Solid discsHorsepower : 230 hp @ 5300 rpmTorque : 250 lb-ft @ 2200 rpmRedline : 6750 rpmTop speed : 153 mph0-60 mph : 5.6 sec.0-¼ mile : 14.2 sec @ 102.0 mph60-0 braking distance : 120 ft200 ft skidpad : 0.85 gCurb Weight : 2970 lbsOverall length : 175.7 in.Wheelbase : 105.0 in.Overall Width : 67.4 in.Height : 56.5 in.Competitors :Saturn Ion Red LineSubaru Impreza WRXChevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged

I mean, come on. They have a Saturn listed as Competitors! Plus consider, it’s a 2.4L engine with a Mitsubishi TD04 (The boost threshold is around 1800rpm, full boost is obtained by roughly 2800rpm). And the stock boost is reported to be at 14 or 15psi the sr20det s14 is 225hp at 8psi. The torque is 250lb-ft, which I will admit, owns the sr20det, but what would a KA-T have at that boost level?Want another comparison? Try the s15 sr20det; which will own the srt4. However, you can’t really compare the stock 240sx to the srt4; its Apples and oranges. Someone with any sort of reasonable intelligence will be able to pick out what I say as fact or not. Now, to what I said earlier, your living proof that neon fans are worse that civic owners.

I prefer being able to pick and choose my mods a bit better than OEM stages. As it was stated, there are certain agreements between manufactures and between manufactures and the government for things that they can put on their vehicles. That includes OEM stage kits.

P.S. if you think the 240sx is ghetto why the **** are you posting here?

But on that note, I will edit one of my previous statements, SRT4s are cheap cars for dumbasses who are to lazy or stupid to figure out how to properly tune their own car.

lets see, under 10K invested 240sx with a 400hp+ tuned sr20det vs an 22K+ srt4. i wonder? lol but i guess thats to my advantage. what i like the most about the 240sx with an engine swap is that you have to invest time and money into it. There are not that many around in comparison to other cars. Its the sure way to be unique. and before you start calling me a hypocrite because I am calling srts cheap in comparison to my 10k 240sx, time is money, and I have put a lot of time into my car. Every single bit of it has been done by myself. every damned piece. and i am ****ing proud of it.

and personally, i like the way the 240 looks more than the srt4 anyway. It just takes a little bit of work to get it as nice.

Most other points have been made by someone else already.


Modified by karmakaze at 5:50 AM 3/20/2006

[dontbugme]

Quote »My experience comes from working on cars, and working in technical support for DaimlerChrysler's. I have worked on old and new cars. There are several things that I take into consideration when I like a car, a lot of it has to do with engineering and how easy it is to work on. Which is why I love Nissans, They are the easiest vehicles I have found to work on. Things just make sense and you can drive the hell out of them.[/quote]That is your personal choice. I have heard exactly the same for Toyotas and Hondas concerning their ease of use. The 300ZX was also a nightmare in the engine bay.

Quote »That’s because when there is a reason for a recall Ford just does it. I am going to assume you’re ignorant of the process so let me explain it to you. Let’s say out of nowhere your airbags deploy while you’re driving down the road. You call the automotive company, they bull**** and try to ignore you, you finally harass them enough for them to pay attention, they send out an automotive engineer to assess your car, regardless of what this engineer tells them, they send you a letter saying that airbags don’t randomly deploy and that you must of hit something but out of the kindness of their heart they will pay for it. This keeps them from having to report it as a defect.

[/quote]Manufacturer's buy backs do get reported, and it happens with every car manufacturer. However this case you're presenting does not support your argument against Dodge. You need to have evidence for your accusations, not what you "think." It's such rationality that brings progress in the world and leave people with hard prejudices in their mind behind.

Quote »I prefer being able to pick and choose my mods a bit better than OEM stages. As it was stated, there are certain agreements between manufactures and between manufactures and the government for things that they can put on their vehicles. That includes OEM stage kits.[/quote]Who said you're limited to OEM stages? Now this is where your own ignorance comes into play. You're not limited to Mopar kits. There's a huge aftermarket as well for SRT-4's. Many owners, like myself, mix and match staged kits with aftermarket....and many who ignore Mopar altogether. A Stage 1 with WGA and SAFC will outrun a Stage 2. A Stage 3 with the same addon and 60 TB can easily get you past 400whp. Or an aftermarket 50 trim kit can get you closer to 500whp....on stock internals with great reliability.

Quote »lets see, under 10K invested 240sx with a 400hp+ tuned sr20det vs an 22K+ srt4. i wonder? lol [/quote]Well let me humor you for a second. For 22k, you can get an 04 SRT with low milage for about $17-$18, and put in a 50 trim turbo kit with the rest. That setup will be faster than a 400hp 240SX, have a brand new appearance compared to a decade old car, great interior and clean engine bay, and be in much better condition. Is that worth the extra premium? Looking at pictures of your own 240SX here:zerothread?id=150045

Compared to any well kept SRT-4, I'd say yes....a big yes.

Again I'm not knocking on you or your car at all. Your methods of comparing dollar for dollar of an old car vs new isn't really valid, as I've explained above. For less money you could take a 95 DSM and build it faster than a brand new 350Z, or heck a C6 Corvette. That's not the point. Does it bother me other people can make a faster vehicle than my 05 SRT-4 with much less money on an old car? Not at all....(case in point, my brother has a 12 second 1991 integra) because I take pride in a brand new car. In fact, I traded in a 1995 Eagle Talon Tsi for the SRT-4....I built the Talon to be much faster, but I needed something new. I didn't like the ghetto feeling I had anymore with such an old car.

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Quote »as for the 3000gt, i know that was just a poke in the wind, but as you can see a lot people including yours truly care about reliability, and handling, both of which the 3000 is known to lack

the 3000gt is a heavy straight line oriented car, and very unreliable, if what youre looking for is awd you can get an old impreza 2.5rs and drop in an ej20, heck the first wrx's are almost in that price range these days[/quote]Actually, that's a common myth. I've had two 3000GT's....the first (my very first car) a 1996 N/A base. Great reliability....I've driven in from NY to Canada and back on several occasions. Never a single problem with it. Sold that off after a few years and purchased a used 1995 3000GT VR-4 with 50k miles. Built it up to about 417 awhp (twin 15g turbos and all supporting fuel mods), and kept it that way for almost 35,000 miles....with dozens of AWD launches and track/street runs in between.

When people think of 3000GT/Stealth issues they really refer to the 1st gens, which did have reliability problems. The 2nd gens came with a much stronger transfer case and a 4 bolt main block. Personally I never launched the car more than 4500k rpms, as that was enough to get the car to leap forward. Those who launched at 7000k rpms, well you can guess what happened after a while.....and this holds true for the EVO's and WRX's with those type of launches.

I've had more problems with my stock Eagle Talon than I did with the VR-4 modified. The worst I had with the VR-4 was a coolant leak which was quite easily fixed. The worst I had with the Talon was a $2500 transmission replacement....while it was stock! And I had bought that as my main daily driver.