My First race from a dig

[WDRacing]

I'm all for modifying your car. But the difference in power gained between a test pipe and after market high flow cat is very minimal. The effect on emissions output however is quite severe. A comparison is smoking a non filtered cigarette or drinking coffee without using a filter.

Install a good high flow cat and you'll gain performance and still be legal. I'm not a tree hugger by any means, but if you have the option to not pollute you might as well take it.

WD

[rn79870]

so bob u never broke the posted speed limit ether? not trying to start but when u say street racing is not what responsible people do then plz tell me u never broke the speed limit. i to dont think street racing is the smartest thing in the world to do but to say people arent responsible well theres a long list of things we ALL do and some every day that are just as dumb as street racing should we bring up all the SOBs that talk on the phone, eat , shave, bush there teeth, reading oh the list goes on and on of the stuff i see people doing that can "injury, or possibly kill another human being"so again street racing is stupid but so is alot of things we do wit out even thinking everyday that is just as stupid

Soul, how can you possibly mention street racing and responsibility in the same sentence? Street racing is anti-social, even criminal. Just ask anyone who has had to clean up the mess after a race turned tragic.That's far different than someone driving 50 in a 45, or stopping 4 feet into a crosswalk.

What do you mean "we ALL do and some every day that are just as dumb as street racing?" Street racing is something we should avoid doing. It serves no purpose. The prize for winning appears to be nothing more than bragging rights on an Internet message forum. If we take away that prize, maybe we'll take away some of the motivation to behave criminally.

should we bring up all the SOBs that talk on the phone, eat , shave, bush there teeth, reading oh the list goes on The only difference is that they are rarely exceeding the speed of the traffic by 50 to 100+%. They are merely inattentive, and yes, they should be ticketed. Street racers should be imprisoned and their cars crushed. Big difference.

When you have a family that drives on the same public streets that others use as "race tracks" you'll understand. I'd rather have my wife and kids safe when they drive, even if it means locking up all the street racing moron.

That's the way I see it.

[Beancooker]

Street racers should be imprisoned and their cars crushed.

Bulls**t. Arrested, maybe but crushing the car is absolute bulls**t.

[rn79870]

Bulls**t. Arrested, maybe but crushing the car is absolute bulls**t.

Morning Beanor...So, I take it you're not going to vote for me for president?

[WDRacing]

Not defending street racing, but people drive far faster then 5mph over ALL the time man. To include 95% of Nico's staff...

As does everything in life, street racing has various degree's of stupid. Some will preach that the methods they use are "safer" then those used by others and to some degree they are correct. If I'm racing in an industrial park late at night the risk to others is decreased considerably. Yes it's still illegal and dangerous to those involved. But it's a risk that the operator takes. So long as they limit exposure to the civilians not involved they are being as responsible as they can be.

In general, racing on the street puts the driver and those around them in a state where they have far less control of the situation then they would otherwise. If this can be avoided it should be.

WD

[G_whizz]

Morning Beanor...So, I take it you're not going to vote for me for president?

I do agree with Beaner... they crush the cars here in Toronto. I think the car should either be sold or parted out and the money goes to a charity or victims of street racing. Or, like in some places, turned into cop cars.

[Beancooker]

Morning Bob, You're probably a better candidate than the 3 stooges we have to choose from...

But I am not for the crushing of cars. I look at it like this; If I am in a 45 mph zone, and race the local POS next to me to 60 MPH, and my car gets crushed, I'll be going on a shooting spree at the legislative building. j/k.. Not really. But I couldn't imagine how terrible that would be. Plus 60 in a 45 is too fast, but damn, 15mph to receive a car crushing...

Gotta leave for work. I'll check in when breaktime rolls around...

[G_whizz]

But I am not for the crushing of cars. I look at it like this; If I am in a 45 mph zone, and race the local POS next to me to 60 MPHPlus 60 in a 45 is too fast, but damn, 15mph to receive a car crushing...

Gotta leave for work. I'll check in when breaktime rolls around...

Ok, I agree too, there would have to be some sort of scale, like the points system for your license, (like here.. this is km's btw) 15 over speed limit is 2 points, 20 over is 3 points etc...

[WDRacing]

Let me ask you this Sean, I see you speeding on the highway and pull you over and say you were racing. Now I get to keep your car. Cause that is the law you agree with...Oh..I don't care that you're not done paying for it, You are a criminal and will either make the rest of the payments or your credit will be ruined for 15 years.

Taking the persons car in ANY manner is stupid. Fines, jail time etc, but removing a persons personal property is communist.

[rn79870]

Beanor, 60 in a 45 probably wouldn't get noticed. 60mph really isn't against the basic speed law here in CA (there are three speed laws, and it gets confusing).

I'm talking street racing where neither moron lets off, 85 - 90 - 95 mph on a public highway. We see examples of this all the time in the newspaper. These are nothing short of criminal acts.

I've seen tards racing on the freeways, in triple digit speeds. These are the guys I'm talking about. I agree crushing may be extreme, but they definitely need to be separated from their cars, permanently.

It would affect each of us deeply to lose a member here due to street racing. I'd hate to log on and see that so-and-so lost it either street racing or as a victim of it. Please, don't let that happen, I'd miss ya.

Guys, if you want to modify your car, responsibly, I''m all for it. It's your money. If you want yo race at a track, I'm there cheering you on. We need to insure that the G doesn't get the same reputation the Civic has. One way to do that is to avoid street racing and having the G associated with that element.

[telcoman]

Damn Dave, if I didn't know you better... that post makes you sound like an old geezer.

Say what

Postings on Racing on public roads should be not only banned but transferred to the "Who gives a $hit forum"

just my $.02

[G_whizz]

Let me ask you this Sean, I see you speeding on the highway and pull you over and say you were racing.

Ahhh...I see, so your saying, maybe the cop is having a bad day and singled me out? He said I was street racing and not just speeding? I can see how that may be a problem. I don't know, this is all hypothetical I guess. Can he prove without reasonable doubt that I was racing and not just speeding?

I dunno... maybe guidelines like these would warrant the enforcement

Criminal negligence causing death. Dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death. Criminal negligence causing bodily harm. Dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing bodily harm.

[WDRacing]

I've seen tards racing on the freeways, in triple digit speeds. These are the guys I'm talking about. I agree crushing may be extreme, but they definitely need to be separated from their cars, permanently.

I agree, but taking the car isn't the answer. Just remove their license for a year at a time. That way anything they drive they are doing so illegally. Driving with no license because it was suspended for racing gets you 30 days in jail, then 90...on up to a hot needle for being the dumbest person alive.

Street racing is obviously a hot button with points of view on both sides that will be argued until we're blue in the face. Posting about a kill or race definitely places you in a group of largely frowned upon individuals. So just don't post about it...simple really. Do whatever you want, just keep it to yourself or find a club that has a forum for Kill stories. Here on Nico that forum doesn't exist largely because we don't want to come across as a club that influences it's members to race illegally.

Wanna race on the street...go right ahead, just don't expect to be welcomed with open arms when you post a kill story.

WD

[G_whizz]

Posting about a kill or race definitely places you in a group of largely frowned upon individuals. So just don't post about it...simple really. Here on Nico that forum doesn't exist largely because we don't want to come across as a club that influences it's members to race illegally.

Wanna race on the street...go right ahead, just don't expect to be welcomed with open arms when you post a kill story.WD

Which is exactly what Bob said in an earlier post B.

[Beancooker]

Say what

Postings on Racing on public roads should be not only banned but transferred to the "Who gives a $hit forum"

just my $.02

Ya know what I find funny, is that when Greg (AZHitman) posts a thread about racing, everyone swings from his nutz. When poms posts a thread about racing, he gets bashed. Neither person was right or wrong, just don't spoogegargle the owner of the site, then bash a n00b for the same actions.

[SVTCOBRA]

Ya know what I find funny, is that when Greg (AZHitman) posts a thread about racing, everyone swings from his nutz. When poms posts a thread about racing, he gets bashed. Neither person was right or wrong, just don't spoogegargle the owner of the site, then bash a n00b for the same actions.

When I saw Greg post, I jumped off my soapbox....I don't approve, but I respect the House.

[rn79870]

When I saw Greg post, I jumped off my soapbox....I don't approve, but I respect the House.

I think the house rule is that street racing is dangerous and no one wants their friends injured in or by it.

Referring to that other post, I chalk it up to living in Arizona, heat stroke, smog and too many uncertified mods ruining the environment.

[WDRacing]

Which is exactly what Bob said in an earlier post B.

But the words chosen to relay the thoughts weren't the same Sean. I drive very fast almost all the time. Yet I can speak from an unbiased view towards the situation as a whole. The majority of time I'm on the highway, 10 over is usually the minimum. I'll also race you from stop light to stop light or from a roll all the way till my car simply won't go any faster. Will I do so in traffic...no of course not. But give me a straight piece of boulevard and I'm gonna bomb down it like it's my friggin job. I also take responsibility for my actions, if I get a ticket it's because I deserve it.

Call me a criminal, I don't care.

I was in Gregs Q when he busted a Donut in the middle of the setup morning for the first Nopi AZ. What if he blew a tire and lost control and flew into a trailer and killed 89 children...better yet, handicapped children. The resulting explosion would probably have jumped to the neighboring trailer and so on down the line killing the entire NOPI staff and all the vendors that came to set up. Oh the horror...

But it didn't happen, we blew a donut and hauled *** right out of there doing far faster then the posted speed limit for a parking lot.

Street racing happens, people drive dangerously...this is a friggin car forum not some sissy bingo circle.

Peace I'm out

[G_whizz]

I am not going to EVER pretend that I don't drive my car like a bat out of hell. Hell, I can't remember the last time I ever did the speed limit other then going through school zones @ 40km/hr.

I generally stay out of street racing posts because they can go on and on and emotions get involved. And I'm not innocent by any means. I like speed too. I just don't post about my "kills" or whateva..

My point being this. We know it's wrong, we know it can endanger lives, we know it's generally frowned upon. So why post about it?? If you do, what is it you want to accomplish?? Here..a *pat on the back*and a ... I mean what's the point?? Bragging rights? Oh wow cool, you beat a fuggin STI..yippy...Yes there are different situations where it seems almost "acceptable" but, if you get caught, that was the chance you took. So you have to pay the price. And if the law in your city or mine says "We crush your cars" or whatever if caught street racing, then theres not a hell of a lot we can do about it is there?

Trust me B. I'm no angel on the roads by any means, but I know the consequences for my stupidity. And I don'y brag about it on a forum.

[Sentientbydesign]

I am not going to EVER pretend that I don't drive my car like a bat out of hell. Hell, I can't remember the last time I ever did the speed limit other then going through school zones @ 40km/hr.

I generally stay out of street racing posts because they can go on and on and emotions get involved. And I'm not innocent by any means. I like speed too. I just don't post about my "kills" or whateva..

My point being this. We know it's wrong, we know it can endanger lives, we know it's generally frowned upon. So why post about it?? If you do, what is it you want to accomplish?? Here..a *pat on the back*and a ... I mean what's the point?? Bragging rights? Oh wow cool, you beat a fuggin STI..yippy...Yes there are different situations where it seems almost "acceptable" but, if you get caught, that was the chance you took. So you have to pay the price. And if the law in your city or mine says "We crush your cars" or whatever if caught street racing, then theres not a hell of a lot we can do about it is there?

Trust me B. I'm no angel on the roads by any means, but I know the consequences for my stupidity. And I don'y brag about it on a forum.

Sadly Sean, the same can be said about any of our mods. Oooow big deal, you got a pop charger. Have fun with your 5 HP and "awesome sound".

We all have different interests and priorities. I think I speak for all of us in saying to anyone reading: "Be safe!"

It's that simple. Regardless if we promote or bash street racing, someone is going to do it.

A little barbie doing her make-up can run a red light and kill one of our members.

A kid, not old enough to drive, can take the family car out for a joy ride and...

The business man behind you can spill his coffee and rear end you into traffic and...

If you're going to do any type of racing, make sure you REALLY REALLY REALLY know your car. Know your tires slip point on a variety of surfaces, know how your brakes fade, know how fast you can down shift and "pull" if needed.

[WDRacing]

Agreed bro...

I concede that posting kill stories is like comparing pen15 size right here on the forum with no proof. BUT...we have no policy or house rule or whatever other term is being used nowadays concerning these threads. They will continue forever because people have been racing off the track since man decided to go from A to B. And since we have no policy, such threads should be treated like any other topic that comes up.

If we have a guy that turbo's his car, but does so in an illegal manner, are we going to bash him for it? What if a member removes his backseat and fills it with 6 subs instead, are we going to let other members who dislike that idea come in HIS thread and bash him because they dislike his idea of cool, especially since you obviously can't drive with the stereo that loud, in some states it's illegal and in ALL states it's dangerous...right?

My God, what if he didn't here the sirens of an Ambulance?

See my point?

As Mods we're supposed to foster free thinking and good communication. Just because we don't like something doesn't mean people can't post about it. Like it or not, street racing is not going anywhere and until we have a rule set in stone that says you simply CAN'T post about it, we'll have to treat those threads just like anything else. Since the owner of Nico loves to drive fast and has on several occasions participated in said street races...you see where I'm going here right?

The best thing to do is simply not post in a topic you disagree with. If it bothers you, don't read it. I don't post kill stories cause I think they're gay, but that doesn't mean I think no one should post about them.

WD

[WDRacing]

Sadly Sean, the same can be said about any of our mods. Oooow big deal, you got a pop charger. Have fun with your 5 HP and "awesome sound".

We all have different interests and priorities. I think I speak for all of us in saying to anyone reading: "Be safe!"

It's that simple. Regardless if we promote or bash street racing, someone is going to do it.

A little barbie doing her make-up can run a red light and kill one of our members.

A kid, not old enough to drive, can take the family car out for a joy ride and...

The business man behind you can spill his coffee and rear end you into traffic and...

If you're going to do any type of racing, make sure you REALLY REALLY REALLY know your car. Know your tires slip point on a variety of surfaces, know how your brakes fade, know how fast you can down shift and "pull" if needed.

Very well said

[soul_hfk]

bob if u sit back and think about what i said then u will see how its the same. and the speed of the people i see doing that crap anywhere from 55-70 and people ruining the environment thats funny and a joke its all marketing ill be 1 not to spend more money to save a little its all

[G_whizz]

Sadly Sean, the same can be said about any of our mods. Oooow big deal, you got a pop charger. Have fun with your 5 HP and "awesome sound".

I agree 100% with everything you said except that statement.

I buy my mods for my own personal taste for my car. Not for bragging rights or to be +1 on an STI or Beemer. I like the sound, I like the added power and car's response.

[WDRacing]

I I I

That's the key Seanzy...

[AZhitman]

I think 3/4 of my cars have some sort of "illegal" modification.

My 240sx is insured as an "exotic" and therefore bypasses emissions testing. However, it has a catalytic converter, and tests cleaner than my 2003 G35.

It just won't pass the retarded visual inspection, conducted by some uneducated hilljack assclown who sees a turbo and poops his Depends right there in the testing lane.

My '67 Roadster won't ever go thru emissions (classic car insurance). Same with my '72 Z and anything else I build.

[SVTCOBRA]

[rn79870]

If anybody wants to debait the street racing subject, feel free to do so here.

zerothread/333708

[SVTCOBRA]

JACKO!!

You need to get in their and explain to Bob how you 'calculate the risks' before you get your killz!

Bob, I agree with you. I just became very confused over the 'official' position of this board when Greg posted about his experience.

Is it OK if you immediately feel remorse?Only occasionally?Perhaps there is no official position...

However, once the owner of the house posted, I wasn't going to criticize others who posted.

[brizanden]

Naaa, 2 things here can get you on the bottom of a pile on here faster than falling off a bar stool. Street racing (I'm giving everyone the benefit and assuming all racing is at a track.) And illegal modifications, those that violate the EPA or other agencies are not socially responsible.

Drive a legal car, at a sponsored event and see how fast the guys get behind you here and cheer you on. If you still question this, search this site for street racing here and see the flames that have followed. More than one noob has been sent away with his tail on fire for that. If you still want to modify your car in an illegal manner, you should be aware of the consequences of doing so. Legally and mechanically.

and i guess if you want to do "illegal" mods just get a 240. Everyone knows we could care less.