My 1st time. ...lol

[kennp]

Well my car starting knocking.
Now I have convinced my wife that it would be smarter to use stronger pars, i.e. forged baby.
Here is the hit, I have to build it, last time I built a motor it only lasted like 5k miles. Terrible well here is the deal.
I don' want to screw up So this is what I have on my list.
Motor is Ka24DE
Just buying a remaned crank, comes with bearing.
my question on that is will they be matched to tollerences to the crank?

Then pistons
I was leaning towards Weisco, any other brand you guys like.
Rods are another question. I have used Eagle befor.
I will most likley use Eagle again.

I still need to order a gasket set.
Head gasket.

timing kit. I have always used oem.
any comments.

One last one.
Machine work.
Any involved, need any.


This is my first full motor build, love some help.
Ha.

[1SickSilvia]

Welcome to the boards and good luck with your build. Here is a good place to start your research ka24e-ka24de-forum.html

[kennp]

Wow, I tottaly didn't think I would get redirected.

Just wanted advice from the S chassis guys.

[Hijacker]

He's just pointing you in the direction of more specific forums to help you out. Don't take it as an offense. Normally, I'd point you to 240 tech or to an engine board.

[kennp]

No offense taken. My post was more or less questions just general ones. Hence why i posted in the general section.
I did make another post now in the Ka section but thanks guys.

Hopefully I will get more help here then zilvia

[h2v7]

buy a honduhh

jk

sr20 or lsx !

[kennp]

buy a honduhh

jk

sr20 or lsx !

uhhhh. no honda.

no sr. personal preference.
Ls would be optimal. but not in the budget right now.
About a year or so.
Can build those all day.

[240sxAli4Life]

Welcome to nico... i would recommend using an ebay full engine gasket set... they got some good deals.... something like this>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/91-94-Nissan-24 ... 19cb7889ae Also another good brand of forged pistons is JE... here is a combo kit if your intrested, idk if JE pistions are cheaper than Wiesco, but you can check that out>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/JE-Pistons-Eagl ... es&vxp=mtr IDK if you plan to go turbo or not, but you cant go wrong either way with these. And i do know someone that has used a oem napa auto parts timing kit for the KA24DE and they havent had any problems with it... but you can find timing kits everywhere.

[badbob2121]

^^^ Why do you recommend to everyone to buy parts on ebay? lol

Its actually terrible advice for new members who may not realize the the risks of buying replica/knockoff parts

[Morph]

What are your plans for the engine? Turbo, high compression or just a stock rebuild? If your just going stock get stock parts and save yourself some cash.

There are a few sites out there that sell full rebuild kits, rings, bearings, etc for a decent price.

[Mercury_Hg]

^^^ Why do you recommend to everyone to buy parts on ebay? lol

Its actually terrible advice for new members who may not realize the the risks of buying replica/knockoff parts

>mfw those pistons and rods are quality products that happen to be on eBay.
>mfw the only high quality gasket you need is a head gasket.

[badbob2121]

This doest need to turn into another ebay debate, im not denying that there are quality parts sold on ebay, but you also cant deny the thousands of replica/knockoff parts that are sold on ebay as well...

Dont be naive

[OutToWinPAHC]

I like the build list parts so far... OEM for timing parts, OEM for some gaskets and seals, I use rock auto for the lttle stuff, they have them broken down to.... economy, standard and better. For head gasket depends on your plans OEM or cometic, no cheap gaskets here.

[kennp]

It will be a turbo motor after its all said and done.
I plan on oem timing and gaskets. except the HG.

I guess I was just posting to see what others though of my small list.
What could be added and such.

only high quality gaskit needs to be the headgaskit?
Not trying to flame since I am the new guy but you have to be kidding me right?

but i do appreciate everyone's imput.
keep it coming.

[badbob2121]

only high quality gaskit needs to be the headgaskit?
Not trying to flame since I am the new guy but you have to be kidding me right

I agree, but i guess other people simply have lower standards

Frsport offers a Genuine OEM Complete Engine Gasket Kit, here is a link

http://www.frsport.com/Genuine-Nissan-O ... _9352.html

[Mercury_Hg]

This doest need to turn into another ebay debate, im not denying that there are quality parts sold on ebay, but you also cant deny the thousands of replica/knockoff parts that are sold on ebay as well...

Dont be naive

>implying I'm even debating that most of the stuff on eBay is crap.
>implying I'm denying that most of the stuff on eBay is crap.

You live in some kind of fantasy world, man. I don't know who you're talking to, but it can't be me. Read what I said instead of drawing baseless conclusions. No where did I even remotely allude to any of that.

Also, I genuinely want to know what the difference between a cheap gasket and a gasket from, say, Fel Pro is. I assumed they're about the same material / thickness.

[badbob2121]

Mercury, your cheapness mentality far exceeds my level of effort. Ive wasted enough time and effort with you debating about cheap coilovers as well.

I do not live in a fantasy world, i simply can afford the parts i desire and have learned from previous experiences that its easier to just pay the extra coin for a guaranteed product. Im not saying every piece of a build needs to be high end, but if i need to explain that to you then im already wasting my time.

If risking your money and buying replica parts is for you, then do it... im not going to argue or debate with you again...

[Mercury_Hg]

Mercury, your cheapness mentality far exceeds my level of effort. Ive wasted enough time and effort with you debating about cheap coilovers as well.

I do not live in a fantasy world, i simply can afford the parts i desire and have learned from previous experiences that its easier to just pay the extra coin for a guaranteed product. Im not saying every piece of a build needs to be high end, but if i need to explain that to you then im already wasting my time.

If risking your money and buying replica parts is for you, then do it... im not going to argue or debate with you again...

I'll reiterate what I just said.

1. I'm not debating about crap parts. Quit trying to turn this into a debate, I'm not doing it. Quit sidestepping and putting words in my mouth. You spent more time just now talking about nothing than you would have actually answering my inquiry.
2. What is the difference between the gaskets he listed and the gaskets you listed? Do cheap gaskets fail more often than better quality products? I'd assume so, but I haven't found anything about it. Back up your statements, so I can know.

[s13sickboi]

I have bought stuff on ebay when I really felt it wouldn't matter if the part was cheap or not, Like an intake pipe. But I would NEVER EVER buy anything like internals or sensors (unless of course it was a trusted name brand). And you might as well get a name brand product from a better retail site! Just use your own discernment. I recently replaced my headgasket with a cheap JIS engines gasket kit, And knowing what I know now I wouldn't have done that... It's doing ok but I am starting to leak a tiny bit of oil at the head. Lesson learned. So to all the Fan-boi's out there who get all exited when they find a 'JDM SUPER T25 TURBO FAST CAR BEAT CORVETTE!!!!!' for $25 you get what you pay for. Just save your money in your piggy bank till you can buy real parts. Learn patience, don't skimp.

@kennp.

Ignore the cheap-as$es,Your on the right track. But in order for us to help you we need to know what your plans for the car will be. Daily Driver with some kick? You going to the track? The KA bottom end in stock form is strong enough for turbo. (maybe someone with more knowlege can give you exact numbers) If I remember correctly the SOHC KA has forged pistons (again, someone with more knowlege can jump in).
Now as far as the head goes I would look into Stainless Steel valves, maybe some cams. You can also swap s14 cams over into an s13 for more gains;

("’91-’93 240SX (S13) - Note: '94 exh specs are slightly different
intake cam = 240 deg duration with a 1.6699”-1.6774” lobe height
(intake opens 1 deg after TDC & closes 61 deg after BDC)
exhaust cam = 248 deg duration with a 1.6699”-1.6931” lobe height
(exhaust opens 64 deg before BDC & closes 4 deg after TDC)

’95-’98 240SX (S14)
intake cam = 232 deg duration with a 1.6699”-1.6774” lobe height
(intake opens 1 deg after TDC & closes 53 deg after BDC)
exhaust cam = 232 deg duration with a 1.6699”-1.6774” lobe height
(exhaust opens 48 deg before BDC & closes 4 deg after TDC)"0)

240/248 (s14)degree vs. (s13) 232/232.

Thats why I have an s14 KA in my s13

Also port and polish your intake and head ports for more flow would be benificial. But your on the right track and on a VERY helpful forum (Just watch out for dis-information-ists). Search and read up on here what other people have done with their KA's for some ideas. Good luck on your Build/Rebuild and keep us posted! Peace out!

-S13sickboi

[240hatchsx]

Minus the ebday debate that is jacking this tread lol.
I think you have the right parts for your plan.
I am sticking to a stock rebuild myself with
CP or wisco pistons
Eagle rods
Felpro comptele gasket set
Oem timing chain
New rod and main bearings

And for a Lil extra bc I want to haha
Bc stage 2 cams
370 injectors
Gsp intake manifold ( only bc xessive is way to expensive )
Brm 2.5 dual exhaust

[badbob2121]

Mercury - Enough thread space has been wasted... I will send you a PM with my response

[kennp]

@kennp.

Ignore the cheap-as$es,Your on the right track. But in order for us to help you we need to know what your plans for the car will be. Daily Driver with some kick? You going to the track? -S13sickboi

This will definately be a daily. With a wild side. I do plan to have the occational track day. But the closest ones we have is in the middle of Oklahomo. Its about a 4 hour drive from where I am.


For now I just want to build the bottom end. From what I have read my power goals are ok with a stock head. Is this right?
Later on I would build the head, retune, more teeth in smile.
But i want to get my body work, suspension and drivetrain redone befor all that.


I'm not even gonna jump on the ebay wagon. If people don't know how to save or spend money wisely, thats their fault. So why do they get pissy.

[240sxAli4Life]

OMG Babbob.... f*** it, i really dont feel like getting into it with you... jus do me a favor...dont reply to comments i post... if i post something you dont like Mr. RICH GUY... keep to yourself... PLEASE...

[asoomal]

Uhh...using OEM parts isn't for the rich..it's the bare minimum.

Anyways, I highly suggest (if your budget allows) you to get the WPC treatment done to the piston skirts, rings and your bearings.

What went wrong with your previous rebuild?

EDIT: This should be on the top of your list if your rebuilding the KA.

A larger capacity oil pan, windage tray/crank scraper and an ATI damper. I know it isn't cheap, but our KA's really need these, especially the damper to prolong engine life.

[kennp]

Uhh...using OEM parts isn't for the rich..it's the bare minimum.

Don't think this could be said any better.

Honestly I was thinking about treating everything, but I feel its not needed.
Maby I will regret it maby I won't. It's all a learning game right.


My last build was on a (dont laugh)98 Cavalier z24.
Some how, I spun a rod bearing then bent the rod at the same time.
Withing 10 seconds or so, it went to the center of the earth through the oil pan.
Kinda funny I never found the rod.

Is it possible to change oil pans with the motor still in the car, if so i will just wait till I have broken the motor in.\
As far as a dampner that is out of my budget now, but not out of mind.

[danshaz82]

>mfw those pistons and rods are quality products that happen to be on eBay.
>mfw the only high quality gasket you need is a head gasket.

>mfw youre trying to green text a forum thread. this isnt 4chan...

OMG Babbob.... f*** it, i really dont feel like getting into it with you... jus do me a favor...dont reply to comments i post... if i post something you dont like Mr. RICH GUY... keep to yourself... PLEASE...

you know what, im so sick of reading your s***. youre what, 16 years old? go ahead and buy your cheap s*** on ebay. you are the reason the 240 has become the new civic. youre the reason the aftermarket industry is hurting because youre too cheap and impatient to buy quality parts. people like you make me want to sell my car.

OP, dont listen to these 2 people. they like to buy the bottom of the barrel parts which wont last longer than a set of tires.
you seem to already have a nice list of parts that are trusted and quality.
im about to be doing the same exact thing, so im in the same boat good luck!

[danshaz82]

enter of the earth through the oil pan.
Kinda funny I never found the rod.

Is it possible to change oil pans with the motor still in the car, if so i will just wait till I have broken the motor in.

it is possible. the way i did it was to unbolt both motor mounts and then to jack the front of the engine up fairly high using the a/c bracket i believe. i didnt do this, which i should have, but youll probably want to remove the sway bar to make it easier. but i just unbolted the pan, and had to unbolt the oil pick up because it was preventing the pan from coming out. i know there are a few write up on how to do it. there was a good on over on ka-t.org that helped me

[kennp]

Trust me, we have enough of their breen in my town.
cut springs, useless spoilers, terrible stickers. haha.
it gets old.
Hinceforth with my car is stock, on stock wheels, stock suspension.
So far only thing I have bought was my psm tension rods.
With my job, its all about quality.

Good. I havent even looked if its possible to do yet.
That saves me a little time to know that.
Idk. I am pretty serious about my power goals, will not take anything less.
So quality is everything to me.

[danshaz82]

are they the pro series rods? are you planning on running all PSM stuff or mix things up a bit?
i found the link for the oil pan removal
http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.ph ... an+removal
hopefully it helps

[kennp]

Yes they are. V2's
I acutally just got them becuase i needed a new bushing for the stock ones.
Picked these up on a close out on zilvia for 100 shipped right befor they came out with the v3

Honestly after looking at spl vs psm, I will probably go spl.
They have super nice stuff. i guess we will see when the time comes though.

Right on. Yea I just went and looked, looks alot easier than i thought.