MSNBC's top 9 ways Americans waste money

[PoorManQ45]

I understand. You have no facts to backup your practices. It wouldn't make sense to try to argue to support them.

Is it just your job to turn regular subjects of discussion into a fu*king annoyance?

It is my job to defend the people of the internet from ignorant practices like the ones you are talking about!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Pretty inoffensive list...

Of course, if they put the real #1 way Americans waste money (payments), then who would buy MSNBC's advertiser's shiny new cars and TVs?

[dre1507]

YES!!!! I am not on that list. my mom buys a 20 bottle pack of bottled water like once a month. costs about 5 or so bucks. $5/month....not so bad.

[PoorManQ45]

And my point is that the $2.25 large coffee at my local coffee place tastes way better than anything you can make with a $30 coffee pot and store-bought coffee. I mean, if all you are interested in is the caffeine, you can probably get pills cheaper. But if you're interested in taste at all, a $30 pot just doesn't cut it for some people. I'll gladly admit I've turned into a coffee snob, and that it is cheaper to brew coffee at home. But, I don't really wake up early enough in the morning to brew my own coffee and clean the equipment and make it to work on time.

Agreed, but you're counting out internet orders then. Seriously, if you get bored one day, check out Coffee forums. There are a lot of gourmet options

[RCA]

Coffee, in general, stains your teeth, makes your breath smell bad and is a caffeine delivery system. There are no health benefits from it.

Caffeine doesn't kill.

Caffeine doesn't contain poison/toxins.

Dave, you're a troll.

[PoorManQ45]

Dave, you're a troll.

You, sir, are the troll.

Wow, a troll trolling a troll that's trolling another troll

[RCA]

Caffeine doesn't kill.

Experts say you'd have to drink 80 to 100 cups of coffee in quick succession, which equals about 6 gallons (23 liters) of coffee, or 10 to 13 grams of pure caffeine. And even if you could drink that much coffee, the excessive amount of water trapped in your body would kill you first by diluting essential nutrients in your bloodstream. The possibility of death IS there.

Furthermore, death due to dysrhythmias, seizures, and aspiration of emesis have been reported. In fact, oral doses of caffeine greater than 10 g can be fatal in adults.

Caffeine doesn't contain poison/toxins.

Caffeine combines with the stomach's hydrochloric acid and forms a potent toxin, caffeine hydrochloride. As this toxin is absorbed into your portal circulation and hits your liver, bile is released in an attempt to flush the toxin from your system. This accounts for the increase in bowel "regularity" of which many coffee drinkers boast. If you are one of these people, you might ask yourself, "Is such a toxin-induced flush really very health promoting? Or Isn't there a healthier way for me to be regular?" The answer, of course, is "No" to the first, and "Yes" to the second question.

Dave, you're a troll.

You, sir, are the troll.

Please give me any numbers on caffeine induced deaths in the last 50 years please.

PS doesn't and can't have two different meanings.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

On the subject of Brand Name vs. Generic prescription drugs...the FDA requires the generic form to work just as effectively as the brand name. The only difference between a generic and brand name is the fillers used. The reason why generics are cheaper is because the manufacturers don't have the cost of developing and marketing a new drug.

To compensate drug manufacturers for the cost of development, they have exclusive rights to sell that drug as long as the patent lasts (10 years or something). Once that time is up anyone can then sell the drug, as long as the original formula is used and it's effectiveness stays intact.

So they are pretty much EXACTLY THE SAME.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Wow, a troll trolling a troll that's trolling another troll

Why do I have a need to watch Inception all of a sudden?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

[Please give me any numbers on caffeine induced deaths in the last 50 years please.

That dog won't hunt...
He never cites effective information to back himself up.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

This troll knows how to cite factual sourced and provide a stage for an educated debate. You on the other hand...nah.

A talent you apparently underuse!

[nevertheless]

YES!!!! I am not on that list. my mom buys a 20 bottle pack of bottled water like once a month. costs about 5 or so bucks. $5/month....not so bad.

$5! Tell your mom to go to walgreens. 24 pack for 2.99

[RCA]

You stated that "Caffeine doesn't kill". That is incorrect, and I gave proof to that matter. Don't try to play it off by asking for numbers...this isn't a numbers game. The point is that caffeine has the ability to kill, not how many it has killed.

PS doesn't and can't have two different meanings.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

A talent you apparently underuse!

Anything useful to add, charlieo?

I considered that quite useful!

Plus my earlier comment about payments was spot-on!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

You edited your post afterwards. I did not see that until now, however it doesn't make your point any better. And stop looking for excuses, such as word play between can't/don't, because you know that you were rash in your post.

All the best!

That's funny, as you have previously relied on (incorrect) wordplay as an excuse, yourself!

[RCA]

You edited your post afterwards. I did not see that until now, however it doesn't make your point any better. And stop looking for excuses, such as word play between can't/don't, because you know that you were rash in your post.

All the best!

The only thing I edited was the "PS" part, not the "can't" part.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Unfortunately, you still have yet to prove my statement regarding that word usage as incorrect. Instead, you choose to change the subject and refer to MoD as the king of semantics, for no reason other than to fill up white space in your post.

You're a lost cause. Move along....

Burden of proof is on you, as you made the statement that it was incorrect. I hope your dad's money didn't pay for the sub-par schooling you're receiving.

Of course you'll never produce said proof. Remember the last time? When your inability to read the Princeton website found you dangling in the breeze?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Sorry buddy, but you're the one with the issue with the idiom. Of course, much like you've yet to present a single caffeine induced death, you won't produce information confirming your incorrect belief.

Burden of proof is on the accuser. Welcome to America.

[RCA]

You edited your post afterwards. I did not see that until now, however it doesn't make your point any better. And stop looking for excuses, such as word play between can't/don't, because you know that you were rash in your post.

All the best!

The only thing I edited was the "PS" part, not the "can't" part.

You're almost as bad as PMQ.

What is wrong with you? You do realize that you aren't the only one that knows that too much of anything can be fatal, right? I meant exactly what I said, caffeine doesn't kill. This doesn't mean that it can not kill.

[PoorManQ45]

Anyways, if this circle jerk is over can we get back to the topic at hand:

Dave advocates 3k mile oil changes and can provide no objective facts as to why it is helping his vehicle!

[PoorManQ45]

Ok you girls. Please shut up. RCA chose the wrong words. It's simple.

Under normal conditions, caffeine should not induce death!

[Jesda]

I drink a ton of Perrier. It tastes like lemon, has no sugar, no caffeine, and its bubbly. It has displaced diet sodas, which in turn displaced corn syrup sodas. Feels good, man. Its expensive at $1.59 for 26oz, but I'll keep drinking it.

Brown bagging sounds dirty, therefore I am in favor of it.

[PoorManQ45]

Brown bagging sounds dirty, therefore I am in favor of it.

You supply the bag and I'll supply the poop!!!

[RCA]

Anyways, you're still incorrect (something I've now come to be used to with you).

Caffeine CAN NOT kill = Incorrect, caffeine has every ability to kill when overused.

Caffeine DOES NOT kill = Incorrect, caffeine has been proven to be fatal, thus proving this statement as dismally incorrect. Let me know if this is enough proof for you:

Fatalites
Alstott RL, Miller AJ, Forney RB. Report of a human fatality due to caffeine. J Forensic Sci.4...

Thank you, this is what I was looking for. I would like a link to where ever you got your information from.

Also:

Several fatalities resulting from caffeine overdose have been documented, but they are extremely rare relative to its widespread use. In the case of a massive caffeine overdose, vomiting often protects against fatal poisoning, but some deaths have still resulted.

Fatal dose range in humans is believed to be between 3 - 20 grams, approximately the amount of caffeine found in 20 - 130 cups of drip coffee or 15-100 common caffeine tablets (200 mg each).

All of those people you listed died by taking caffeine pills or diet pills with high amounts of caffeine.

Dave was comparing cigarettes with coffee, I posted that caffeine doesn't kill. It doesn't make sense to compare the ill effects of cigarettes to caffeine. I was comparing the deaths of caffeine to deaths of cigarettes. My apologies for not making that clear but even after all this, people still need to go out of their way to practically kill themselves in order to be killed my caffeine. So caffeine doesn't kill people, people kill themselves on caffeine.

[AppleBonker]

I would like a link to where ever you got your information from.

It would be nice to see the actual papers too. The abstract doesn't tell the whole story. I'm still not convinced that caffeine was the deciding factor in these deaths. It looks like many of them were running an EC stack (possibly not healthy due to the ephedrine) or diet pills (those wouldn't surprise me if they had high blood pressure). I would guess there was a much larger contributing factor. With how prevalent the usage of caffeine is, a few deaths does not make me think that caffeine was killing these people. So I would still argue that caffeine doesn't kill, but rather it exacerbates an existing condition.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Charlie, you are, yet again, incorrect. I first quoted an age-old cliche and you choose to dispute it, reversing some of the wording and calling my version incorrect. You, the "plantiff" in this case, are the one that must meet the burden of proof to prove me incorrect. Alas, you haven't done so.

We're not talking about cliches. We're talking about idioms. No wonder you're confused!

Also, source:

And I actually said "pulling at strings" which is the correct way to say that statement, but that's beside the point.

Bolded because you've proven yourself inept at reading.

In response to my grasping at straws comment. Come to think of it, pulling at strings isn't another way to say grasping at straws (pulling at strings implies being controlled, as with a puppet). In fact, "pulling at strings" produces a mere 4,440 results, where "grasping at straws" produces about 610,000.

QED, bishez.

[AppleBonker]

But those are just the abstracts. That site doesn't provide the full papers, just links to places where the full paper can be bought. I would still guess that the caffeine supplements were merely the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. I would think that there was a much more important factor that caused these deaths. So while these people were taking caffeine and died, I don't know that it should be considered the primary cause of death (unless the full paper explains further).

[Urabus GodofTraction]

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No troll feeding here, please go elsewhere.

The swan song of defeat! You're done, sucka!

[Jesda]

YOU ARE ALL BEING DECIDEDLY UNFUNNY THIS EVENING.

[dusred]

With everyone tightening their belts due to this awful economy, MSNBC compiled their list of 9 ways we Americans waste money:

1. Bottled Water - (tap water with a simple filter much less expensive)
2. energy Drinks (eg Rockstar, Red Bull, Monster). Caffeine and sugar are the two central ingredients.
3, Premium Coffee house Coffee. (ie Starbucks) If you are unable to brew yourself, 7-11, WaWa, Sheets are better values
4. Premium gas despite your car being designed for regular. the "my baby is worth it" excuse is a waste of money.
5. Oil change every 3000 miles (especially if you run synthetic). Should follow manufacturers instructions which are normally between 5-8K miles.
6. Cigarettes - essentially an expensive, stinky, cancer causing nicotine delivery system, 7. Brand name versus store brand.
8. Children Birthday parties, have been getting more elaborate.
9. Eating out for lunch instead of brown bagging


Thoughts? Additions?

1. GTFO. Anyone who wants to drink tap water come to Arizona and I'll give you a cup of nice brown water from the faucet.

2. Meh. People can drink energy drinks if they want.

3. You're welcome to brew battery acid at your house if you want. I'll have my Latte.

4 Premium gas will cost you an extra 2 dollars while fueling. Again, GTFO. I'll put premium in my car if I want.

5. If I want to service my car every 3000 I'm gonna do it. It's worth the piece of mind.

6. Okay. I'll admit that's a waste of money.

7. If Kia made an airplane would you ride in it?

8. MSNBC needs to stop watching MTV. A cake and some beer won't cost more than $100 for a large group of people. $100 for a party isn't bad.

9. It's not a 'waste' to eat out but it is certainly cheaper 'brown bagging'. When I travel I'm not going to pack enough food to last 10 days.