McCain opposes a woman's right to choose.

[The Wicker Man]

MoveOn.org has attacked Sen. John McCain in an e-mail to its membership, urging people to email it to "friends, family and co-workers."

The e-mail lists 10 items about McCain, beginning with the statement, "His carefully crafted positive image relies on people not knowing this stuff — and you might be surprised by some of it."

The fourth item on the list states, "McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, 'I do not support Roe vs. Wade. It should be overturned.' "

MoveOn is on solid ground here. McCain calls himself prolife. During the primaries in 2007, he asserted several times that he thought Roe vs. Wade should be overturned, and that message is featured prominently on McCain's campaign Web site.

"John McCain believes Roe vs. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench," the Web site states. "Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe vs. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states."

We find MoveOn's statement about McCain's position on abortion to be True.

http://www.politifact.com/trut...s/423/

[audtatious]

I read as far as "moveon.org"

The rest is not worthy of my time.

[The Wicker Man]

the article (which is from politifact.com) is scrutinizing a mass email by moveon.org

but go ahead, keep deluding yourself about your 'maverick'

[HashiriyaS14]

I read as far as "moveon.org"

The rest is not worthy of my time.

And partisan and often ridiculous as that organization may be, this information is grounded in undeniable fact.

John McCain has switched to a solidly pro-life position, publicly. I'm not going to interject whether I think it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I will assert that it is true.

So please, no debating whether or not it's true, as it's quite plainly on the man's campaign site and he's said it to the media multiple times. Feel free to debate what you think about it, of course.

[AZhitman]

No delusions necessary. It's factual:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfa....html

Another source, with some added details about the history of his position.

[audtatious]

the article (which is from politifact.com) is scrutinizing a mass email by moveon.org

but go ahead, keep deluding yourself about your 'maverick'

Knock yourself out. If you were not so much a noob on here you would know I dislike both candidates.

You sure jumped in here over the last couple days and made yourself at home. What was your prior username on here?

[Jesda]

I didn't know this was news. I guess my concern for the issue is so low that I didn't realize it was a mystery.

[The Wicker Man]

Knock yourself out. If you were not so much a noob on here you would know I dislike both candidates.

You sure jumped in here over the last couple days and made yourself at home. What was your prior username on here?

You say I'm a noob but then u say I had a prior username on here?

[audtatious]

noob to the politics side.......But then again, maybe not.

So, what was your previous account name?

[The Wicker Man]

This is my first account here.

[szh]

We find MoveOn's statement about McCain's position on abortion to be True.

No particular surprise here, is there?

FWIW, I happen to disagree with McCain on this topics, but I understand where he is coming from.

Z

[The Wicker Man]

a statement from moveon.org that proves to be true isn't a surprise?

[AZhitman]

It is a non-issue...

When you couple the inconsequentially-small number of "rape / incest / danger-to-mother" medically-appropriate abortions AND the fact that RvW will likely never be overturned AND the position that it should be a states' rights issue, the result is but a distant blip on the "BFD Meter".

I never understood the furor over fighting FOR abortions anyway. Go tour an abortion clinic and watch the birth of your own children.

I'm not interested in criminalizing it, but I do believe it's far too easy and has become a convenient enabler of poor choices...

I support increased sex education, parental notification below a certain age, increased abstinence education, open and honest publication of longitudinal studies of the long-term impacts of abortion, and increased contraceptive availability and de-stigmatization.

[szh]

a statement from moveon.org that proves to be true isn't a surprise?

Let's be equally flip about it then inre moveon.org: "even a broken clock can have the right time twice a day."

I was referring to McCain's position. You can choose to interpret it however you want.

Z

[The Wicker Man]

It is a non-issue...

No, it actually is an issue. mccain will do everything in his power to overturn it.

[szh]

mccain will do everything in his power to overturn it.

Probably.

Z

[AZhitman]

Are you concerned that you won't be able to get an abortion?

And how are you so certain that's his agenda?

I oppose a lot of things that I have the power to change... but I don't, because I respect the will of the people it would affect.

[The Wicker Man]

Are you concerned that you won't be able to get an abortion?

Yes I'm concerned that I wont be able get an abortion for my significant other if worse comes to worst.

And how are you so certain that's his agenda?

This is how:

"John McCain believes Roe vs. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench," the Web site states. "Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe vs. Wade...'

I oppose a lot of things that I have the power to change... but I don't, because I respect the will of the people it would affect.

What things do you oppose that you have the power to change?

[telcoman]

It is a non-issue...

When you couple the inconsequentially-small number of "rape / incest / danger-to-mother" medically-appropriate abortions AND the fact that RvW will likely never be overturned AND the position that it should be a states' rights issue, the result is but a distant blip on the "BFD Meter".

I never understood the furor over fighting FOR abortions anyway. Go tour an abortion clinic and watch the birth of your own children.

I'm not interested in criminalizing it, but I do believe it's far too easy and has become a convenient enabler of poor choices...

I support increased sex education, parental notification below a certain age, increased abstinence education, open and honest publication of longitudinal studies of the long-term impacts of abortion, and increased contraceptive availability and de-stigmatization.

Wow Greg

Sometimes you do amaze me

Perhaps by next week you'll be a full blown liberal?

[HashiriyaS14]

It is a non-issue...

When you couple the inconsequentially-small number of "rape / incest / danger-to-mother" medically-appropriate abortions AND the fact that RvW will likely never be overturned AND the position that it should be a states' rights issue, the result is but a distant blip on the "BFD Meter".

I never understood the furor over fighting FOR abortions anyway. Go tour an abortion clinic and watch the birth of your own children.

I'm not interested in criminalizing it, but I do believe it's far too easy and has become a convenient enabler of poor choices...

It isn't so much a practical issue as it is an ideological one.

The idea that someone would support denying an abortion to a woman that has been raped says something about that person or candidate and how they view the world, however unlikely the actual occurrence may be.

Additionally, while you and many others believe that RvW will never be overturned, there are MANY people out there that would like to see this actually happen, and an 8-1 or 7-2 conservative Supreme Court majority would definitely make it at least possible. Once the justices are appointed, there is no check or balance that would keep them from ruling in favor of repealing the decision. This scares a lot of people.

The issue is really about trying to keep judicial appointments relatively moderate and centrist. The so called "nuclear option" often discussed by the conservatives wherein the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (i.e. Cheney) would be able to deny the right to filibuster to a theoretical Democratic minority would remove the ability of the Senate to keep appointments moderate. (this could, of course, also work on the Democratic side, but I'm just using Cheney as an example as that's who's sitting in that chair right now)

I support increased sex education, parental notification below a certain age, increased abstinence education, open and honest publication of longitudinal studies of the long-term impacts of abortion, and increased contraceptive availability and de-stigmatization.

I agree almost completely with all of this, we are very nearly on the same page.

[audtatious]

Why, because a number of those on this site who you accuse of being right-wing neocon redneck back-woods idiots actually do have what are considered left-leaning viewpoints on some issues?

[AZhitman]

Yes I'm concerned that I wont be able get an abortion for my significant other if worse comes to worst.

Makes sense. Gotta look out for future generations.

This is how: "John McCain believes Roe vs. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench," the Web site states. "Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe vs. Wade...'

Point taken. Well-done.

With that said, SHOULD courts be in the bsiness of legislating from the bench? Keep in mind that will trickle down to the lower courts, all the way to the city and JP levels....

What things do you oppose that you have the power to change?

Nothing that would be relevant to this topic or that warrants my educating you on what I do. No disrespect intended.

[szh]

I'm not interested in criminalizing it, but I do believe it's far too easy and has become a convenient enabler of poor choices...

I support increased sex education, parental notification below a certain age, increased abstinence education, open and honest publication of longitudinal studies of the long-term impacts of abortion, and increased contraceptive availability and de-stigmatization.

(I missed this section of your post ... sorry about that!)

I agree with the above!

Z

[HashiriyaS14]

It should also be noted that, as many have said, one of the problems here is that there is "legislating from the bench" going on.

The abortion issue SHOULD be solved by the Legislative Branch, but it never has been as it is too divisive and too politically volatile.

[AZhitman]

The idea that someone would support denying an abortion to a woman that has been raped says something about that person or candidate and how they view the world, however unlikely the actual occurrence may be.

But I don't think we're presented with that candidate. J-Mac has been pretty clear on excluding those situations.

[wingFeather]

First of all, your title is bogus as it relates to the article's point:

Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe vs. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states.

He is not opposing abortion here

MoveOn.org

has attacked Sen. John McCain

Terrorists

[The Wicker Man]

wing, you are a very ill-informed poster if you don't believe mccain is opposed to a woman's right to choose. If you don't think he is, stop posting in the politics forum.

[wingFeather]

stop posting in the politics forum.

You should practice what you preach

Anyway, your post is incongruent with the text that you pasted in here. If you feel you have different text that better supports the thread, then okay... otherwise FAIL x3.

[HashiriyaS14]

But I don't think we're presented with that candidate. J-Mac has been pretty clear on excluding those situations.

Indeed he has, but (unless I'm mistaken), Palin supports a ban on abortion even in cases of rape and incest, and relents only in "life of the mother" cases.

I realize she isn't the one who's running for President, but it WILL matter to a degree, especially because of Mac's age.

Again, I'm not saying that it's necessarily RIGHT that it matters, but it's undeniable that, to a lot of voters, it's going to matter.

[Jesda]

Again, I'm not saying that it's necessarily RIGHT that it matters, but it's undeniable that, to a lot of voters, it's going to matter.

No, its not. Americans don't care about abortion the way the far left and far right like us to believe, and presidents aren't chosen based on the issue.