LS1 Swap Who can do it? that has experience!!

[wnoda]

wow so many replys

I dont care what people think of the swap.I would put a cow in my car if it goes fast.american in jap car is no problem for me.

all i need is a price for complete swap and a contact info. just want to have incase i win big at the casino.

just to let you people know running 12's is not a goal a goal is running 9's lol

Need for speed!!!

[wnoda]

There are reasons why I want a LS1 motor.

first off I used to work at SKspeed so I have connects with speed parts for LS1's.

Also it is easier to make HP with a LS1 much cheaper too.

Now if a car breaks down in PA in the mountains and you go to a shop with a sr or rb motor what makes you think they can fix it without access to parts.

plus I just want to have something thats different.

If i don't do this swap later im just going to work the KA motor I have. 3000 bucks i should have over 450 hp.

But if anyone has a shop who can do this for me I would like to have a price and also contact information. thank

[Xeen]

I talked to Hinson about a swap for my Zenki. $14.1k for the turnkey solution (this is an estimated price per Hinson). This includes their exhuast, radiator, fuel upgrade (AN fittings) and A/C as well as ECU tune. Not that this was a base engine with the 6 speed. No mods 350bhp -> roughly 300 wheel hp... Another interesting option... but a little steep I have a bugdet of 10k for my car That includes: Paint, wheels, suspension and 350whp.

Nathan

[hannibal]

Thats way to steep! Unless by turnkey you mean the car is included.

[nismofly]

the ls6 block isnt superior at all, it makes the same exact power as ls1 and the ls1 can take the same ls6 parts, so really if youre searching specifically for an ls6, you'd just be getting the name. the only reason they got put in was because they started running out of ls1s in 01-02

LS6 block has a superior oiling system for lateral loads...in other words its better for circuit racing and that sort of stuff, while the LS1 is more a drag racing block

the only LS6 parts on those cars was the block, all the internals, the heads, the accessories, everything else was LS1...so they still called it an LS1

they only came in 2 or 3 years of the camaro SS, and not every SS had the LS6 block, so its quite a difficult task finding one

[yelnatsch517]

It's so much cheaper doing it yourself. People have done it for $6k and I'm sure some have done it for even cheaper.

As far as LS2's being more expensive... I'll just run around stealing parts from the many 06 GTO's around here.

But seriously, how much more expensive are LS2s? If a LS1 can be bought for $4k, would an ls2 be around $6k?

[nismofly]

LS2s are actually quite expensive iirc...

[yelnatsch517]

LS2s are actually quite expensive iirc...

They can't be THAT expensive. There was one on ebay a couple of days ago. Came out of a brand new 06 gto with less than 1.5k miles. Engine, transmission, harness, everything even the shift boot sold iirc for little over 7k. So... if ebay sells for that much, somewhere local should be cheaper.

[Florida240sx]

Aries? Any ide ao nkit cost and what would be in it? X member mounts transmission mount oil relocation? oil pan? Maybe even go to the extent of having a source for radiators and hoses needed ....

[the_momo]

the relatively low numbers of gto's will make the ls2 more expensive. not a real improvement over the ls1. if we are going to argue which ls series to get, spend some real money and get an ls7. 500 whp. done. but, um i think um like maybe 15k for a bargain model.....

do a ls1. they are in fact cheap. compared to most swaps. they arent the easiest to put in. no motor swap is easy. ive worked on rb s chassis and an ls rx7. the wiring is about the same (rx7 isnt that much different wiring wise from the s14) its just knowing what you are doing before you do it. thats a key to anything. dont go in blind. make friends with people who have done similar work (not necessarily the exact same thing, but for the most part cars in general work in the same fashion). doing the work yourself gives you such a large sense of self satisfaction.

[GTR PrYdE]

not to hate, but to prove a point- go to any ls1/6 forum and theyll tell you the same thing. just save the money on an ls1 and use it for another mod... but if thats what you want go for it, im just tryin to shine some light that the almighty ls6 in the fbody isnt so almighty, especially for what they cost

[nismofly]

i need that oiling system though, thats the thing...if i were drag racing itd be a different story, but if i liked dragging i wouldnt own a 240

ive seen several of them go for not much more than one with the ls1 block, im not too worried about the cost...and its worth it so that im not getting oil starvation in the corners

i believe the LS2 actually uses the same system, but they go for even more than the LS1

ill say this though, if i find somewhere that disproves this (i think i read about the special oil passages on ls1tech) then ill be getting just another everyday ls1

[yelnatsch517]

youd be paying a lot more for the engine when you could really do more stuff with the less expensive ls1

im actually going to be trying to get the engine out of an iirc 01-02 or 00-01, something like that, camaro SS...its an ls6 block (superior design) and just uses ls1 stuff for everything else, but you can turn it into an actual ls6 or even better without too much difficulty

So how much would you be expecting to get the block for? I haven't checked any of the local yards for prices, but it seems like the prices on ebay might be a bit inflated.

[nismofly]

id still be buying an LS1, the only thing is it would have a different block

you dont have to buy the block seperately

imagine if some late KA24E's came with the DE block stock, including the piston oil squirters, and you were looking for one of those engines...basically the same concept

ill probably end up using a combination of LS6 and aftermarket parts to build the engine, but to start off ill just be running it as an LS1...just ill need the block

[lbrowne]

not to hate, but to prove a point- go to any ls1/6 forum and theyll tell you the same thing. just save the money on an ls1 and use it for another mod... but if thats what you want go for it, im just tryin to shine some light that the almighty ls6 in the fbody isnt so almighty, especially for what they cost

There never was an LS6 in an F-Body. Not almighty? for a 98+ fbody to be factory rated at 320hp and be putting almost that to the wheels stock, seems damn good to me. In the portly fbody, that LS1 has put that car in the high 12s completely stock trim. Granted it was a freak driver. I can't imagine it in the light s13 chassis.

Theres deals to be had on them, I often thought of an LT1/T56 combo in my s13 - man that would be sweet.

edit: also its not just the performance you get when you first do the swap. The foundation you now have for further modification and performance increasing is 10 fold.

[Aries]

Aries? Any ide ao nkit cost and what would be in it? X member mounts transmission mount oil relocation? oil pan? Maybe even go to the extent of having a source for radiators and hoses needed ....

I can not give you an exact price ont he kits as of yet. As for what it will include, Koyo Radiator, Trans cooler (for automatics only) Electric fan, Motor mounts and front K-member (bolt in replacement to your factory nissan equipment and available in LS1, SBC, SBF, or Ford Modular versions), Transmission crossmember (different for Auto or 6 speed trans), Fuel pump upgrade, and more.

Extra costs would be the Wiring harness, Speedometer correction device (to use your factory speedo), Tachometer corrector (not needed for LS seried motors) and a few other goodies here and there.

Here is a picture of my 396 LT1 in my S14 to give you an idea. (Pardon my mess lol, it's a race car not a show car.)
Modified by Aries at 10:06 AM 10/24/2006

[Aries]

And here is a picture of the end result pulling the tires up off the ground at the drag strip.

[nismofly]

would there be any way id be allowed to either substitute or have some parts not included in your kit? like i was planning on using a C&R dual pass radiator instead of a koyo, etc etc

[Aries]

would there be any way id be allowed to either substitute or have some parts not included in your kit? like i was planning on using a C&R dual pass radiator instead of a koyo, etc etc

of course! We will be very flexible with part options once the kits are released this spring.

[GTR PrYdE]

There never was an LS6 in an F-Body. Not almighty? for a 98+ fbody to be factory rated at 320hp and be putting almost that to the wheels stock, seems damn good to me. In the portly fbody, that LS1 has put that car in the high 12s completely stock trim. Granted it was a freak driver. I can't imagine it in the light s13 chassis.

Theres deals to be had on them, I often thought of an LT1/T56 combo in my s13 - man that would be sweet.

edit: also its not just the performance you get when you first do the swap. The foundation you now have for further modification and performance increasing is 10 fold.

YES, LS6 blocks came in 01-02 F-Bodys due to GM running out of LS1 blocks. Is it a true LS6? No. Is the block superior? Not unless you're going to leave it stock.

LS1's are great motors and I was only saying it one should stick with the whole LS1 instead of spending more on a LS6 block. And if you ask anybody on an LS1/6 forum, theyll tell you the same thing as me, as thats where I got all my info from.Anyway what were you getting at? I had nothing but good to say about the LS1..

[lbrowne]

I somehow completely missed your first post of you talking about ls6 blocks. Dunno wtf happened there. The first post that I saw from you (which was actually your second reply) was talking about the LS6 in 01-02 F-bodies. You never mentioned LS6 block, hence where I got sidetracked. Peace man!

I personally would go with an LT1 swap, mostly because of the price.

[GripR]

please don't flame me i've been out of the game for a while

how much does an LS1 weight?

Was thinking about doing a VQ swap and just thinking about the weight issue if any.

[Xeen]

The LS1 plus the 6 speed is approximatly the same weight as the KA24de. Aluminum versus iron block I suppose.

Have some faqs and info here on the Hinson swap I posted earlier:

http://hinsonsupercars.com/

Nathan

[Florida240sx]

Nice aries. Currently starting my VG swap in my vert. Expect to have your kits out this spring? You can sign me up for one. If no1 buys my hatch. You are making the kit for s13 as well correct?

[hannibal]

KA vs LS1, the LS1 is lighter. Add in the trannys and they come out just about even. Overall, the LS1/T56 moves the weight rearward compared to the KA.

[Aries]

Nice aries. Currently starting my VG swap in my vert. Expect to have your kits out this spring? You can sign me up for one. If no1 buys my hatch. You are making the kit for s13 as well correct?

I will indeed be making the kit available for S13 and S14 alike.

KA vs LS1, the LS1 is lighter. Add in the trannys and they come out just about even. Overall, the LS1/T56 moves the weight rearward compared to the KA.

indeed it does. On the meters my Front to back weight distribution is 56% / 44%

[nismofly]

YES, LS6 blocks came in 01-02 F-Bodys due to GM running out of LS1 blocks. Is it a true LS6? No. Is the block superior? Not unless you're going to leave it stock.

like ive said, it has a better oiling system than an LS1

if youre going to just be driving on the street or doing drag racing, get the LS1 block, hell get an LT1, you dont need the weight savings...but im building a full time attack car, id like to not have oil starvation going around corners

like i said though, ive only heard that through word of mouth, if i find out either that there isnt a difference, or that i wouldnt have to worry about it with a 1, then by all means id like to get a 1 for cost reasons

[GTR PrYdE]

just out of pure curiosity , have you heard of many oil starvation cases with LS1s?

[crackler]

like ive said, it has a better oiling system than an LS1

if youre going to just be driving on the street or doing drag racing, get the LS1 block, hell get an LT1, you dont need the weight savings...but im building a full time attack car, id like to not have oil starvation going around corners

like i said though, ive only heard that through word of mouth, if i find out either that there isnt a difference, or that i wouldnt have to worry about it with a 1, then by all means id like to get a 1 for cost reasons

Would an Acusump help with the starvation issues?

[nismofly]

just out of pure curiosity , have you heard of many oil starvation cases with LS1s?

none, because theyre all running either full LS6's (vettes) or get the 6 block for the reason i mentioned...

i could try the 1 block just to see if there is a difference, but to be perfectly honest im not interested in smoking a $3k engine just to test this out