Learned'd VIII: Less Bewbs, Same Nonsense

[WDRacing]

Brian, check this out
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/engin ... setup.html

Remote mount is the way to go imho. Way less clutter under the hood and much easier plumbing.

[Dattebayo]

It keeps raining after work so I can't get anything done with my damn truck. Grr. Argh. Why can't it rain while i'm at work? I hate the sun now anyway...

[sx moneypit]

Mornin' folks!

[WDRacing]

Mornin!

[Kompresshun]

Mornin' Ben!

Brian, check this out
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/engin ... setup.html

Remote mount is the way to go imho. Way less clutter under the hood and much easier plumbing.

Agreed. Before Brian schooled me on rear mount turbos, I would've went the standard route, but now i'd much rather go for a rear mount setup. Not only is it easier, but it's easier to change everything back if you ever want to sell the vehicle or just go back to stock.

I wonder if I can put a rear mount turbo on the 'ol 500 without blowing something up?

[WDRacing]

Actually Chris, you could definitely go the turbo route. Heck, it would easier than Rays car since you aren't friggin cursed with TBI. Imho, if the car has a V6 or better, you're ok to have a remote. I say this because the motor usually produces enough low end torque to compensate for any initial lag.

You could run 4 psi for around $1200 all in.

[frapjap]

Morning folkses.

Did you get the a/c fixed yet, Chris?

Anyone know what "high voltage" on an 02 sensor means?

[frapjap]

Also, BMW owners ARE jerks.
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/bmw-drivers ... 56020.html

[Kompresshun]

Actually Chris, you could definitely go the turbo route. Heck, it would easier than Rays car since you aren't friggin cursed with TBI. Imho, if the car has a V6 or better, you're ok to have a remote. I say this because the motor usually produces enough low end torque to compensate for any initial lag.

You could run 4 psi for around $1200 all in.

It's very tempting, because if I could even pick up another 30hp i'd be MUCH happier. My only concern would be if the transmission would hold up, but so far it hasn't started slipping, so it'll probably be ok.

So you think it would be ok even with 10:1 compression? It makes 203hp stock, but this engine was offered in other stuff as well and came with up to 223hp.

Did you get the a/c fixed yet, Chris?

Mornin' Ray!

Negative on fixing the A/C. It works and still blows cold, so i'm not in a big rush. I know I should fix it before it craps out, but it doesn't even act like anything is wrong right now. I'll probably get it taken care of in a couple of weeks.

[Hijacker]

Also, BMW owners ARE jerks.
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/bmw-drivers ... 56020.html

My new neighbour has 4 BMWs (2 set up for race). I made the comment that he could be a tool due to BMW saturation, but he's actually really cool.

[WDRacing]

If you change out the fluid and run a cooler the trans will be fine. The price included a single stage water injection system. With only 4 psi and water you'll never see detonation. You'd just need to refill the water every 2 weeks or so. Depends on the tank size. The jet would be pretty small so it isn't going to be dumping a ton of water in.

Just enough to stave off detonation. Just use either distilled water or windshield washer fluid. I'd say windshield washer fluid would be the best, only because it has methanol in it.

[Kompresshun]

You've definitely got me interested here. I have plenty of room on this big beast for a turbo and some extra power would really help it a lot. It's got a decent amount of grunt, but at times it could use a little more.

Another question - Would I have to bother with an ECU tune, or would this be standalone? Because I doubt there is anyone who tinkers with the ECU's on this thing.

[WDRacing]

FMU stands for fuel managment unit. It's a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. Meaning it increases fuel pressure in a ratio determined by a diaphram inside tbe unit, in this case 8:1. So for every 1psi of boost, it increases fuel pressure 8 psi. This handles all of tbe fueling. With only 4 psi, you dont need to retard the timing. But you're going to run a real simple single stg water injection system. It will be adjusted to come on at 2 psi. Just a pump, a nozzle, a boost switch, a relay, a fuse, and some hose. We can even use the factory windshield resovoir, chances ade it has a low level light.

I'll put together a price list with some links for ya to look at.

[WDRacing]

I'm sure it is, but can you verify that your fuel system is returnless or not?

[frapjap]

BRIAN! Brady goes down in practice with knee injury.

Time to pick up Tebow?

[WDRacing]

Tebow is the 3rd QB in line on the Pats. Brady also isn't to badly injured. he actually took the fld after the injury for a little while before getting seen by the trainers.

[sx moneypit]

Good morning!
Got some unreal weather going on here,60 degrees!

[frapjap]

Stephen Gostkowski or Matt Bryant?

[frapjap]

Morning Ben!

[sx moneypit]

Mornin' Ray, waz shakin?

[WDRacing]

Stephen Gostkowski or Matt Bryant?

Either is a good choice. I'd probably go with Bryant. If Rugland gets the job as starter for the Lions I'm going to use him.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCAczQYN1u8[/youtube]

[frapjap]

Ain't nothing but a thing, Ben.
Planning the lady's birthday for the weekend.
For Friday, so far I've got dinner covered, a little surprise to meet with friends & some bar hopping, a hotel over night downtown so we can do whatever we want and not have to drive (got the dog taken care of), dinner with her family the following night. After that, I have preseason tickets for the Pats game against the Giants on the 29th.

I'm guessing you have a photo there Brian, but I can't see it.

Is it more wise to pick a kicker with a team that you know can't score TDs and instead opt for FGs more often? Like the Dolphins? Or probably the Pats this year?

[Kompresshun]

Mornin' Fellers

I'm sure it is, but can you verify that your fuel system is returnless or not?

How do I even go about finding that? I'm a dummy with that stuff

In other news, it looks like we're back on the house hunt again. Our house will be on the market soon and we're going house shopping tonight. Yay for a bigger house and bigger garage

[frapjap]

What prompted the house searching?

As for checking for a return fuel system, take look at your fuel rail and see if there are lines going to AND from the rail. If there is only one line feeding it and not another, then its returnless. Heres a really simple look at one.


You used to be able to tell based on the presence of an FPR or not, but there are loads of different systems out there now. Some have sorta/kinda returned systems by returning fuel at the fuel filter, but I can't imagine how well that's regulated.

[WDRacing]

How do I even go about finding that? I'm a dummy with that stuff

It's returnless. I just googled fuel rail pressure sensor and the 500 has one. It takes the place of the fuel pressure regulator by regulating the voltage to the pump depending on fuel demand. Switching to a return based system is kind of a PITA.

Subinjection may be the easier route to go. Something simple like using a cold start valve triggered with a pressure switch to come on at 1 psi. This will require you tapping into the pressure line coming from the tank. You'll have to check the line and see what it's made of. This will determine the type of fittings required to splice into the line. After that you just run the spliced line up to the cold start valve. The CSV will be plumbed into the intake pipe just prior to the throttle body. It's basically just a fuel injector that is used during cold start conditions to richen the mixture up. We'll just be using it to add fuel while on boost.



You can see how the fuel line hooks up to the nipple and the plug is a standard fuel injector plug, so it's very easy to install. As far as mounting it to the intercooler/intake pipe goes, you put a nice fat o-ring around the stem that goes inside the pipe and then attach the injector with either self tapping screws and some sealant or use a bolt/washer/nut combo and some lock tight. I'd probably use the bolt method myself. You'll use o-rings under the bolt head to to prevent vac/boost leaks.

The injectors are about $160 bucks new, depending on the type you use. The boost switch is about $40 and you can use any relay and fuse combo, not expensive.

[WDRacing]

Chris, after reading about a few websites about the 500, it seems a lot of people recommend changing the ATF out immediately. I'm assuming you haven't done this?

There's a wicked easy way to DIY if you don't want to pay to have it done.

Here's a vid explaining how it's done.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsdPAadc9fY[/youtube]

[Kompresshun]

A lot of things went into the house decision. Main reason being that when we had family in last, we just realized that we really don't have enough space to accommodate people for long periods of time. Now since her parents are staying in VA for a while for sure, we want to get a bigger place. Other reasons being the school system isn't great in our area and we really don't like our area in general for various reasons.

We were going to buy a house earlier this year, but it got sold and we decided to postpone listing our house until we could get some things in order. We were worried that Kristen may have an issue finding a job after she finishes her Masters Degree, but now since that's not an issue we're staying here for good. So now it's time to buy a place we can live in long term.

I'll have to take a look at my engine this afternoon and figure that out. I'm stuck behind a keyboard right now unfortunately, since everyone is gone to lunch.

[frapjap]

That's awesome that her job uncertainty is gone! More space will definitely be welcomed by the family, too I'd bet. Though some perks to a smaller place will be gone. Sometimes I like that folks will never ask to stay over since there isn't a spare room. Hopefully ya'll find a good home. Did her parents buy in VA? Where do they live/plan on living? How close are you to VA, geographically? Whats a comfortable salary to suit the cost of living there?

Sorry for what all sound like personal questions about where you live. There is a rumor that has hit a couple of gossip columns saying that a much larger processing company is in talks of purchasing the processing branch of my company (which is the part I work for...) and no one here is confirming or denying. It also isn't our choice, the company has a solitary owner. The bidding company is in Newport News, VA and assuming they close this processing plant and if they don't just can everyone straight out, maybe there is a potential for moving there. It would work for Lindsey since finding a suitable Naval Contractor position won't be too too difficult there. I'm not excited about the prospect of VA, but I suppose its better than Ohio, and certainly better than not having a career anymore. Long term career prospects for my field in MA aren't very good or aren't hiring. The current company I'm with is a diamond in the rough in regards to compensation and location. Its a bit early to tell, but having a couple of contingency plans ready is probably a smart thing to do.

[Kompresshun]

I like our little house now, but I feel like we outgrew it over a year ago. We've just been staying put to build up equity and save our money. Now is a prime time to buy too though and we're approved for a 3.5% interest rate and our current loan is 6%. The space will be a huge plus though, because ALL of our immediate family lives at least 7 hours away.

It takes us 9 1/2 hours to get to where they live, which is just outside of Front Royal. I despise the drive and hate going there at all. Once you see the sights in D.C. once, you're good for a long time. I hate being there almost as much as I hate Atlanta and they want us to move there, but we've told them we never will because neither of us like it.

They did buy a house there and houses there are expensive as hell unless you live WAYYYY out or in the projects. A house like ours(was about $140k when we bought it) runs around $300k there. Anything 2-3 bedroom is at minimum $250k and up. It's a nice place to live but VERY overpriced. Their house here was $200k and their house there cost them nearly $500k. Their current house is a lot nicer, but here you could get a house like it for half that price.

The impression is that cost of living vs compensation evens out there, but it's a crock of s***. If you're a top tier government worker like my father-in-law, you're compensated well enough for it to not effect you and that seems to be more believable. For us though, there's no way that we could afford to live comfortably there. NO WAY. Kristen makes about $45k/yr right now and I bring home about $30k/yr currently. If we moved there, she might make a little over $50k/yr and I probably wouldn't make any extra in my field. The cost of living for us would be nearly double. No thanks. Not interested. Even remotely.

We sat down and ran the numbers numerous times and there is no way living there would be feasible at all. Now, it is possible to live in Maryland and commute, which helps out some with the expense, but then you have to factor in extra fuel expense and fuel in both states is much higher than everywhere else.

All in all, we did the research about a year ago and it was in no way worth it to make the move other than just living closer to them. For the average person, it's not a great place to live and the vehicle laws there and in Maryland suck a** too.

If you can't tell, I think the place sucks...

[frapjap]

That sounds A LOT like MA and RI. Houses that are typically 150k anywhere else (and are in nice areas) will buy you a neglected fix-er-upper in a 'meh' neighborhood here. 250k if pretty common here for the typical home. Friends in FL think that the $8.75 minimum wage here is awesome, but they don't see the rent and home costs. Honestly, goods shouldn't be as much here as they are, especially when CT, VT, NH, and ME are SOOO much more reasonably priced. I suppose we pay for the availability of jobs.
Our combined earning wage is decent, a bit under 100k combined but I'm paying down on student loans and a credit card balance from charging education for the next 4.5 years to the tune of ~$1500/mo, which would make for a fantastic mortgage.

Vehicle laws in VA scare me. Especially with no cats on my older cars. I'd have to look up the actual laws to see if/when there is a cut off. MA is a b**** when it comes to inspection, but I've heard bad things about VA, too.

Also, just googled Newport New's location. WHERE THE f*** DO PEOPLE LIVE!? Richmond is an hour. The next po-dunk town is 40-45 minutes, and Portsmouth is 45 minutes! Suffolk is an hour! Given that NN is basically an island, traffic must be a b****, too. The rest of the area around there appears to be all farmland and probably what I'm looking at while flying on my way to Florida.