killing an integra at the wheel???

[silviaDRAG]

anybody out there knows anything that can help me compete with a vtec integra . I'm really sick of the crap how wannabes think just because they have a v-tec engine in their stupid integra they can beat a 240sx. I just want to waste the crap out of the honda fanatics. Can any one help me with my timing it seems to be slower than usual also any quick mods for the average driver. yeah I know you get what you pay for but I'm poor and not really willing to spend a lot. Just need some quick power or any suggestions that will help and I really want to upgrade to sr20det or turboing it yet. like I said I'm pretty poor. just any suggestion will help and also any figures of the stock vtec integra and stock 240 power will help in trying to shut the stupid ricer up! and I'm asian to but I do follow the stupid rice scene that much. I try not be to extravagant, but sticking to a really clean look I'm one of those sleeper like many of your guys. oh yeah before I forget what do you guys mean by the heel toe shifting thing that everyone is talking about. I read them in the forum but I really can't understand what they are doing exactly and doesn't put wear on the brakes? well I'll be trying to work on my car on the mean time trying to show up the $*#@ hondas. thanks for all that respond to this thread later. sorry for making this thread so long.

[themadscientist]

he has more power in a lighter car, unless he is really bad driver you lose. Sorry. If you are not financially able to boost your KA or get some swap engine you had better just learn to be humble. Just let the dude yak all he wants he just makes himself look like an ***. Bide your time until you can do some serious stuff under the hood and then pummel him proper

[nlzmo400r]

well, not totally true, the power and less weight is true tho, im assuming you're talking about an integra gsr, one thing they dont have is torque, wihch u happen to have plenty of, so betewen not having torque, and being a FWD, you should have the holeshot i fu are a decent driver nad kno whow to launch your car, also, he has 178hp, and 135 ft lbs of tq , while your KA (btw , what year/model do u have) has 155hp, and 16oft lbs of tq, you weigh 2750lbs and he only weighs 24oo or so, the quickest mods and fairly cheap ones are I/H/E, but basically practice smooth quick shifting and lauching, as the holeshot will be your only advantage, and you'll have to try to hold him off from there, or you could go nitrous, although an older engine isnt too good with nitrous, but basically TMS is right, theres not a WHOLE hell of a lot you can do, sorry , i beat em all the time in my altima (2.5 4cyl FWD) so you could just do what i do and hope its not a gsr, or that he cant drive

[Cyberkreig]

cut everything out of the car that doesnt invovle propulsion, steering, braking, or being strapped in.

[TomsMR2]

they dont have torque, but they can rev. while racing, the trannys in hondas keep them well into their vtec/powerband. they just eat **** on the launch.

your cars slower man. give respect where respect is due. if you wanna win, buy nitrous.

[themadscientist]

Wow I wasn't aware the KA was that powerful and torquey, that is not an insurmountable hurdle. Still tough but not impossible. an LSD and basic boltons should allow you to get him off the line and keep him at least in the sideview mirror.

[gibbo80]

NOS!!!!! haha but nitrous is probably the cheapest mod for the time lost. That vtec is supposed to run mid 15s so i/h/e would put you there probably nitrous definatly. But Intake, could make your own but probably at least 100 dolla for aftermarket, header 300 dolla, exhaust custome cat back 150 ish, aftermarket 300 or so. Nitrous you could pic up used easy for 300.

[gibbo80]

with nitrous tho you arnt showing your cars better your just showing you got the spray and he doesnt

[LaureltheQueen]

lol. okay, first, its not V-tec, its vtec(variable valve timing and electronic lift control). THe GSR(i'm assuming this is the car you're talking about) is a very beefy little honda. I would assume that without engine mods, you could not beat it, on or off the strip. Hondas handle extraordinarily well.

$.02

[krazy skwerel]

We don't know what engine this car is running we were gioven no year or anything. just because it has the vtec engine dont mean its the gsr. could be a swapped car like an older integra. which I would assum would be even more difficult to beat dependeing on the engine swapped and o well it was done. too many variables to tell.

[LaureltheQueen]

if its a vtec integra,and its vtec stock, i believe the only tegs that came with vtec from the factory were gsr's with the b18c. You put one of those into a civic hatch, or even a 2nd gen teggy, and you are in SERIOUS troublel.

[Cyberkreig]

b-series honda motors do demand respect. but they shouldnt be feared.. (H22 is a different story) Just bite your tounge for now, do research, and spend money wisely. I'd definatly lighten up you car whever possible (hey, its free). IHE arent bad, but i dunno if you'll beat a b18 with it. You could always pay an SR or KAT guy to kick his butt.

[WingsNThangs]

I'm really sick of the crap how wannabes think just because they have a v-tec engine in their stupid integra they can beat a 240sx.

Believe it or not, Acura owners CAN beat a 240SX because they have a VTEC engine in their "stupid Integra". Stock GSR is faster than stock KA 240SX. Their engine gets bragging rights. Try not to let it get to you. 240SX shines in areas other than straight line speed (i.e. handling/corners, which means take it to an autocross).

yeah I know you get what you pay for but I'm poor and not really willing to spend a lot.

If your willing to spend cannot match up to your need for speed, then you will not be fast. Your pride will cause you to go broke. Listen to this guy. SR20DETs are expensive, but thats the best deal you can get for horsepower.

well I'll be trying to work on my car on the mean time trying to show up the $*#@ hondas.

Don't get so worked up over their crap, man. Remember, Acuras and Hondas are just as respectable as Nissans. Integras aren't POS, and 240SX's arent superior nor inferior to them. Sure, the driver may be an *******, but let him be. Pride battles can get pretty stupid.

[Zebrahead]

Listen to this guy. SR20DETs are expensive, but thats the best deal you can get for horsepower.

Holy CRAP! My thread got QUOTED! That's so cool!

Nick.

[zombieman]

integra gsr are actually hella heavy, more like 2600-2700 lbs. since i use to own a 97 civic HB and knew alot about hondas before i decide to go with the top dog company(nissan, of course). a KA24e will launch on a integra gsr, but will eventually lose after second or third gear depending on the driver of the gsr. Why? 240sx is RWD and have better traction taking off while the weight of the FWD is giving to much friction. VTEC is not all that great unless its from a NSX, believe me on that. a H22a in any honda body can easily be beaten because of the heavy weight. I've heard about stock sr20det beating a hatch H22a(very light).

[silviaDRAG]

cool cool I understand so well if I go sr20det will I have a chance in beating type-r also or is it still in margins of the faster than a stock gsr integra and slower than a type-r integra. also how much power does the stock sr20det have exactly and what is needed to increase the horsepower and torque while still making it a daily driven car. and thanks for all that reply. the comments really helped.

[WingsNThangs]

Do some research, man. Google, carpoint, whatever. Then compare your research results (hp, weight, torque). Then use common sense.

For USDM stock car numbers, http://www.carpoint.com works.

Here are a few stock numbers:S13 Redtop SR20DET ~205hp. S13 Blacktop SR20DET ~205hp.S14 Blacktop SR20DET ~220hpS15 Blacktop SR20DET ~250hp.

I did some research for you. You're welcome. Take the initiative to SEARCH in the future.

Now all you gotta do is compare and you yer brain.

[Kaioshin1982]

I've seen a integra type R beating a silvia tho... stock vs stock by ithink .5 sec or something, the silvia gets the type-r off the line, but at about 3rd gear the type-r catchs up and wins

[nlzmo400r]

thats cause the old b18c5 type r's have such weight loss, if u stripped the silvia of 4oolbs or 3oolbs or whatever the type-r lost over the gs-r, and also, the s14blacktop also has 2o2hp, not 22oalso, the type-r still only has 143ft lbs of tq, while the sr2odet has 2ooft lbs of tq, then again, look at the price of a type-r motor...5grand?, hell, 5k is almost an rb25, atleast a very wel running, and lightly modded sr2odet

[Kaioshin1982]

well... but still thats not the point, if you wanna go in to stripping and modding then any car can be fast. what i was trying to point out was that stock type-r can beat stock S13 silvia

[nlzmo400r]

ok, sorry for getting a little off track, but for the price, id stil go sr2o, haha, i got hte last word, just playin man, yo mkae valid points

[Kaioshin1982]

although... it DID look like the S13 missed 3rd or something hhahahaha now im not sure cuz the way the type-r pulled on the s13 at 3rd gear wasnt even funny.

[nlzmo400r]

o so it was a 'street race' not like professionals?

[Kaioshin1982]

it was professionals... but still it was too weird for the type-r to pull sooo fast ahead of silvia it was one of those Vtec clips where they show u 2 cars running 1/4

[mitchs_240sx_se]

we must win the battle! come on guys pull it together!!

[nlzmo400r]

would u happen to have a link?, id like to see that

[mitchs_240sx_se]

no just copy and paste

[Kaioshin1982]

i got it off of Kazaa....

[nlzmo400r]

alright buddy thakns

[WingsNThangs]

yeah I know you get what you pay for but I'm poor and not really willing to spend a lot. Just need some quick power or any suggestions that will help and I really want to upgrade to sr20det or turboing it yet. like I said I'm pretty poor.

Unless he's willing to shell out the dough, I think forced induction is out of the question, guys. The kid's gonna have to do a lot more than "want" and dream in order to compete with the ITR you guys speak of.