KA24DE vs. SRT-4 Neon 4-banger (w/o turbo)

[F4ucc]

Well, due to highly developed technology yes, a FF Might outrun a RWD. However, a RWD (especially a FR) would be definitely MUCH MORE FUN to Drive. That's what I care most.

later

[Blackstar]

the neon r/ts have 150 hp?! my friend has one 5 speed w/ exhaust who wants to race me (92 240 5speed completely stock). I'd hate to think he might actually win. I'd be so ashamed

[nlzmo400r]

the neon r/ts have 150 hp?! my friend has one 5 speed w/ exhaust who wants to race me (92 240 5speed completely stock). I'd hate to think he might actually win. I'd be so ashamed

the 2oo1 dodge neon r/t runs 16.1o @ 87mph with 5spdthe 92 24oSX se runs 16.2s @ 86mph, so your work is cut out for you, its basically driver ability from there

[Blackstar]

thanks for the info/times. How far back did they make the r/t? do only the newer ones have 150 hp?

[Adrenaline Rush]

thanks for the info/times. How far back did they make the r/t? do only the newer ones have 150 hp?

They've made 150 hp Neons all the way back to 1995 - they were just called Sport models until they made the R/T in 98.

The 95-99's have DOHC 16v 2.0 liter engines while the 2000 to present R/T's have a SOHC 16v 2.0 liter engine.

[aleph1]

just an update, 2004 SRT-4s now have 230hp-250lbs/ft torque.

[EnzoRWD]

just another perspective on this debate, i was at road america a few weeks ago, and someone was hustling their new black SRT4 around the track, and decided to get all over my butt. even with a KA, i walked away from the dodge. granted, his car was new and he was prolly taking it easy, but looking at the understeer in the rearview mirror, he wasnt letting me go. nonetheless, the little 240 dropped the 250hp dodge.so if u dont mind not being top dawg at the strip, 240's rule. or save your pennies and have some creative fun with your motor choice hehehe-Enzo

[Repo Man]

just another perspective on this debate, i was at road america a few weeks ago, and someone was hustling their new black SRT4 around the track, and decided to get all over my butt. even with a KA, i walked away from the dodge. granted, his car was new and he was prolly taking it easy, but looking at the understeer in the rearview mirror, he wasnt letting me go. nonetheless, the little 240 dropped the 250hp dodge.so if u dont mind not being top dawg at the strip, 240's rule. or save your pennies and have some creative fun with your motor choice hehehe-Enzo

That's a pretty kickass coupe you have there Enzo! It handles pretty well too. Did you run the Nittos on the track? Please let me know if you ever decide to sell that 240.

Going on your CarDomain site I feel like I'm looking at pics of my ex-girlfriend...:pface

repo

[EnzoRWD]

lol shes a really capable car hehehe. yeah the nittos are about crapped out, new yoko es100's coming in spring, w/ the z brakes. dont worry ill take good care of her.-Enzops i dont think ill be selling it, too much fun. and i also plan on staying KA, in case u care to know

[Repo Man]

lol shes a really capable car hehehe. yeah the nittos are about crapped out, new yoko es100's coming in spring, w/ the z brakes. dont worry ill take good care of her.-Enzops i dont think ill be selling it, too much fun. and i also plan on staying KA, in case u care to know

Cool man. I didn't figure the Nittos would last too long. Hell, they're only a year old! Racing will do that though. I understand your plan, but I also know that plans change and if they do, keep me in mind!

Back on topic: SRT's can suck it. Of course, I may just be jealous because I don't have a snail yet...:rolleyes

repo

[BadMojo]

Barring any major problems that show up with the '03 or '04 SRT-4s, they will be a serious contender for my next car. $21K for a heapin' portion of forced induction-y goodness AND a 7/70 warranty is something I can't resist.

I took a ride in an SRT-4 (didn't drive it since I wasn't going to buy it at the time) and was very impressed. The quality of the interior was decent, not luxury car quality, but certainly solid enough, and the car was *very* quick. I was shocked at how quickly the speedometer hit 80, and it didn't feel like we were going that fast. Didn't notice any major torque steer, and the '04 models have an LSD (a Quaife, I think)! I didn't notice any turbo lag and it seemed to handle well on the curvy bits of road. The exhaust note is very nice. Not too loud and doesn't sound like a poorly maintained Weed Whacker.

Much like the bug-eyed WRXs, the SRT-4s are ugly but growing on me.

Of course, I'll keep the 240SX around. It will be nice to have the 240SX as a project car that I can take my time to work on and have something else for daily driving (something fun).

Anyway, IMO the SRT-4 is 10lbs of *** kicking in a 5lb bag!

BTW, I have to add that the original thread topic was one of the strangest in recent memory.

[nlzmo400r]

why'd they go from DOCH to SOHC? i thought the R/T was supposed to be even higher than the older 'sport' models?

[CoastalMtrSprts]

LOL I love the sig Nizmo! I think the actual quote though was "So it's a turbo rotary Mustang with headers, right?" The idiot just looks at him and says "oh... yeah, yeah" LOL! Teckademics is awesome:D

[rco8786]

if it does not have the turbo, it is not an srt4 and only has about 130hp

the srt4 is totally different from all the other neons, sure the block might be the same, but everything on and in it are different.

that is why they call it the srt4 and not a neon, but to me it will always still be a neon

That's what I was thinking

It's like saying you're racing a GTR w/ an rb20.

[Adrenaline Rush]

why'd they go from DOCH to SOHC? i thought the R/T was supposed to be even higher than the older 'sport' models?

Reduced complexity more than anything else. The DOHC motor didn't sell that well.

[CanadianCoch]

all I have to say is at the end of the day he's still driving a NEON, the cheapest car Dodge makes, so he can never really win. They have ****ty suspension, they don't last like 240's, and they look ugly. A neon is never a winner.

Dr.

[nlzmo400r]

Reduced complexity more than anything else. The DOHC motor didn't sell that well.

sounds pretty logical to me, does the new SRT-4 have cariable valve timing?

[nlzmo400r]

LOL I love the sig Nizmo! I think the actual quote though was "So it's a turbo rotary Mustang with headers, right?" The idiot just looks at him and says "oh... yeah, yeah" LOL! Teckademics is awesome:D

thanks man, and no htat isnt the 'exact' quote, i couldnt remember it, i just remember the jes of the conversation, and i htought it was damn funny

[GELLIS2586]

My friend is all about the srt-4 so on saturday we went by the dodge dealership to take a look. Not a bad car nice interior but its still a neon but it will rip my $hit except in the turns of course. After the dodge dealership we went to the mitsubishi dealership and looked at some evo's. (just to show my friend a much better car) well we get ****ed around by a salesman that doesnt know $hit. I would ask him a simple question like is this the sane motor as the gst eclips just with more power (basically yes 4g63 or somethin) he says no it is completely different so we just leave. My friend and i then cross the interstate and go to huffines subaru to look at the all-mighty STI This car is a winner. The salesman lets us sit in it mess with stuff start it up to hear the exhaust and turbo. I have found a new car to the i want list along with a m3 cobra z06 and saleen s7 plus more. The coolest part about the sti is you can manually control the center differential to put more power to front or rear wheels. I also love the sueide seats

So the moral of the story is SRT-4= cheap and fast but at the end of the day you are still driving a neon

evo=bad a$$ car but dumb a$$ salesman don't make you feel good about it.

STI= king of compact sedan awd turbo set-up you can't beat a 4 cyl. that runs 12's stock

[aleph1]

So 1 dumb salesman marks the EVO down? Ok...makes tons of sense. IMHO The Evo8 is a better car than the STi EXCEPT for looks, that triangle grill is uggggllly. They need to bring back the dish plate fogs! EVO V IS THE BEST! Actually I think the EVO is faster on the circuits, even with the ~30hp less. Its such a minimal power difference that Id rather have the more agile car. Not to mention you dont see many scoobies (not counting professional race ones) with over 400hp, while there are many Evos with 500hp+. Hence the potential of the Evo is better in general. They need to bring back the dish plate fogs! EVO V IS THE BEST!

[nlzmo400r]

i wouldnt neccasarily say the power potential in the evo is greater, thats def not true, tommykaira has tuned STi's for years and have gotten crazy power out of them, but the Evo motor is much more widley used as it has been the same motor since 92 evo1, i think its cool that hte 4g63 motor is still competing with top notch motors 1o years later, but the new ej25 easily has more power potential, especially with the extra .5 liters

[Adrenaline Rush]

sounds pretty logical to me, does the new SRT-4 have cariable valve timing?

No variable valve timing on the SRT unfortunately.

[quote=" CanadianCoch all I have to say is at the end of the day he's still driving a NEON, the cheapest car Dodge makes, so he can never really win. They have ****ty suspension, [/quote]Check out an autocross sometime - their suspensions work pretty well.

[nacho_nissan]

well isnt the eclipse(95-99) engine the same as the evo?I think it is,but i think the reason it has a little more power is because it's intercooled and the different valve cover.Could somebody tell me if im right...thanx.

[Onizuka]

but the new ej25 easily has more power potential, especially with the extra .5 liters

I was at a WRX meet and a kid that had a new STI said the motor is basically just a stroked out version of the EJ20 and and doesnt take to modification very well.

Its hard to argue with 230hp and 250tq fore $21,000 even if it is FWD. I would love to have one of those for a daily driver, but the first $20K i get for a "new" car will be spent on a used AWD G35 for daily driving

[nlzmo400r]

well isnt the eclipse(95-99) engine the same as the evo?I think it is,but i think the reason it has a little more power is because it's intercooled and the different valve cover.Could somebody tell me if im right...thanx.

the first and second gen eclipse turbo's (gst and gsx) had the 4g63motor, it was rated at 215hp however, while the evo's was rated at 276hp. The valve cover difference has nothing to do with power, the front mount intercooler helps a bit, and the evo has a 16G turbo, while the eclipse has a smaller turbo (atleast im prety sure) the rest is just tuning.

[nlzmo400r]

No variable valve timing on the SRT unfortunately.

Check out an autocross sometime - their suspensions work pretty well.

you're right, the new neons are supposed to handle pretty damn well from the factory

[nlzmo400r]

I was at a WRX meet and a kid that had a new STI said the motor is basically just a stroked out version of the EJ20 and and doesnt take to modification very well.

Its hard to argue with 230hp and 250tq fore $21,000 even if it is FWD. I would love to have one of those for a daily driver, but the first $20K i get for a "new" car will be spent on a used AWD G35 for daily driving

the ej25 is basically a stroke out ej2o, however i hear the internals are stronger than the ej2o's that we got here in america. From what ive heard, the ej25 responds well to mods, but nothing super sensative. Either way, ill take the .5 liters displacement stock, with (imo) better looks, and just an all around cooler car.

[BadMojo]

all I have to say is at the end of the day he's still driving a NEON, the cheapest car Dodge makes, so he can never really win.

There are certainly valid criticisms of the Neon/SRT-4 out there. This, however, is not one of them. Does the WRX suck because it's just an Impreza, Subaru's economy car? Does the Evo suck because it's only a Lancer, the King of Crappy Fleet Vehicles?

Those were rhetorical questions, but at any rate the answer would be "no".

The SRT-4, WRX and Evo have all come pretty far from their humble beginnings. I'm sure I've said this a million times, but it just pisses me off.

BTW, the Neon R/T has a pretty successful history in SCCA.

[nacho_nissan]

i heard ford might throw out a 300hp,AWD ford focuz(rs).if it does,dodge is not gonna have anything against it...

[aleph1]

I doubt Ford would bring over the Focus RS from europe. It would be better than the mustang. Ford cant let the homeland be as cool as europe, they where only born here.... :rolleyes