KA-T Manifolds ... any interest?
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NeedCAforS13
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that would be mucho $$$andrave wrote:that would be a T25/28 flange, large enough for fast spooling ka24 with stock redline if you went with a GT28R or somethingthat would be a real beast.
I heard something about garrett is about to release a new line of ball bearing turbos that should be much cheaper than the gt series.
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bruinbear714 wrote:It would be nicer if there was a package that came with a manifold, turbo, and downpipe, since the majority of the people don't have access to a welder (or can afford downtime on their daily driver).
I agree with this. Make a package deal. Manifold, T3/T04E Turbo (street trim specs), and downpipe for the S13...Id bite.
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Nismo_Freak
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aleph1 wrote:I agree with this. Make a package deal. Manifold, T3/T04E Turbo (street trim specs), and downpipe for the S13...Id bite.
Honestly... I don't have the cash to get into making turbo kits. It's alot more to it than just slapping it together for a good kit. I am just looking to make a good manifold that has a decent price that people can use to make their own KA-T.
I'll think about it though...
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turbo is about $500 in most places (although you can find em for 250-300 on ebay)dowpipe you can have made for about $50 or you can buy one for like $100manifold you can easially find for about $400Wastegate is about $200 anywhere
Thats $1200 even with the more expensive prices. Gaskets maybe a little more, but to answer your question, no $2000 does not seem fair... I understand its a package deal and you need to make it worthwhile for yourself, but a 80% or so markup on consumer-priced parts is a bit much.
Thats $1200 even with the more expensive prices. Gaskets maybe a little more, but to answer your question, no $2000 does not seem fair... I understand its a package deal and you need to make it worthwhile for yourself, but a 80% or so markup on consumer-priced parts is a bit much.
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fiznat wrote:turbo is about $500 in most places (although you can find em for 250-300 on ebay)dowpipe you can have made for about $50 or you can buy one for like $100manifold you can easially find for about $400Wastegate is about $200 anywhere
Thats $1200 even with the more expensive prices. Gaskets maybe a little more, but to answer your question, no $2000 does not seem fair... I understand its a package deal and you need to make it worthwhile for yourself, but a 80% or so markup on consumer-priced parts is a bit much.
Mainly I don't want to make a turbo kit... there are TOOOOO many choices people want for turbos ranging from GT35s to Z31 T3s to T04Bs to T04Es. It's a pain in the *** to make a kit that everyone will want... not to mention all the technical fitment issues between the S13 and S14. Frankly I'd rather leave that decision up to you.... because you know your budget, goals, etc.
I think we can all agree everyone needs a turbo manifold to do a KA-T ... not everyone needs/wants a T04E.
So with out further adeu I'll get back to working on this manifold for you guys.
- Alan
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Those turbo specs seem about right, cept id want a 50 trim compressor wheel..or is that a/r? I forget. Also, at least 360degree thrust bearing, possibly thermal coating on turbine. Anyway...500 is a lil low for a nice turbo, I dont want some cheap crap, Id figure 700 for a decent one with options I listed above.
The main reason I think its good is that it will all match up, as the manifold and downpipe are the most pain in the *** parts to get (IMHO) for a turbo kit, as some dont match and such. SO! The whole "barebones" kit idea can really be the same thing as if you designed the a manifold and downpipe for the most popular turbo for KAT people, which would have to be a T3/T04E. You dont NEED to throw in a turbo and wastegate, I would just want a manifold/dp setup that will fit correctly on an S13 with a T3/T04E.
What we REALLY need is a FMIC kit for KA-Ts. Im sorry, but 900 or so for one through Nsport is unreasonable, they know they are about your only option short of making your own pipes, not everyone can afford a welder, so ya.
You should...borrow..orions setup. Buy a bunch of Greddy VSPL SR20 kits, and just make a hot pipe for it (S13 at least). While the S14 will need the S13 cold pipe. EH?Or you could just make the hotpipe that would be compatable with the VSPL kit, which the customer can buy seperately. OR you could just get some cheap cores or full intercoolers and make your own piping, but the greddy thing would be easier, yet prolly more expensive.
The main reason I think its good is that it will all match up, as the manifold and downpipe are the most pain in the *** parts to get (IMHO) for a turbo kit, as some dont match and such. SO! The whole "barebones" kit idea can really be the same thing as if you designed the a manifold and downpipe for the most popular turbo for KAT people, which would have to be a T3/T04E. You dont NEED to throw in a turbo and wastegate, I would just want a manifold/dp setup that will fit correctly on an S13 with a T3/T04E.
What we REALLY need is a FMIC kit for KA-Ts. Im sorry, but 900 or so for one through Nsport is unreasonable, they know they are about your only option short of making your own pipes, not everyone can afford a welder, so ya.
You should...borrow..orions setup. Buy a bunch of Greddy VSPL SR20 kits, and just make a hot pipe for it (S13 at least). While the S14 will need the S13 cold pipe. EH?Or you could just make the hotpipe that would be compatable with the VSPL kit, which the customer can buy seperately. OR you could just get some cheap cores or full intercoolers and make your own piping, but the greddy thing would be easier, yet prolly more expensive.
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aleph1 wrote:Those turbo specs seem about right, cept id want a 50 trim compressor wheel..or is that a/r? I forget. Also, at least 360degree thrust bearing, possibly thermal coating on turbine. Anyway...500 is a lil low for a nice turbo, I dont want some cheap crap, Id figure 700 for a decent one with options I listed above.
The main reason I think its good is that it will all match up, as the manifold and downpipe are the most pain in the *** parts to get (IMHO) for a turbo kit, as some dont match and such. SO! The whole "barebones" kit idea can really be the same thing as if you designed the a manifold and downpipe for the most popular turbo for KAT people, which would have to be a T3/T04E. You dont NEED to throw in a turbo and wastegate, I would just want a manifold/dp setup that will fit correctly on an S13 with a T3/T04E.
What we REALLY need is a FMIC kit for KA-Ts. Im sorry, but 900 or so for one through Nsport is unreasonable, they know they are about your only option short of making your own pipes, not everyone can afford a welder, so ya.
You should...borrow..orions setup. Buy a bunch of Greddy VSPL SR20 kits, and just make a hot pipe for it (S13 at least). While the S14 will need the S13 cold pipe. EH?Or you could just make the hotpipe that would be compatable with the VSPL kit, which the customer can buy seperately. OR you could just get some cheap cores or full intercoolers and make your own piping, but the greddy thing would be easier, yet prolly more expensive.
A kit is something I may or may not look into for the future... it requires alot of time designing, producing, and testing for it to be market worthy.
As for the hot pipe... I'll give it some thought as well, but I'd like to kinda stick with one thing at a time.
- Alan
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Nismo_Freak
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Ok, You can scratch me from the list unless its an equal length type. I already run a JGS manifold, which, incidentally IS for sale along with a tial 35mm, if anyone is interested.
I need to build a new manifold because my T04b15 I has, used the stupid t3 flange on the exhaust, so I got to build a new one for a t66, if you want to build me one drop me an email.
Rick
I need to build a new manifold because my T04b15 I has, used the stupid t3 flange on the exhaust, so I got to build a new one for a t66, if you want to build me one drop me an email.
Rick
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Nismo, the kits aren't really that hard to design and develope bro. If they were I wouldn't be doing it either. If you have time to build equal length mani's and have a turbo to distribute with them you might do well.
I'm going with the log style for a stg 1 kit. I won't be doing equal length headers in my kits unless they are specificly ordered. Simply because it takes to long to build them.
The equal length header would drive the cost of the complete kit to about $3200 or so. I know alot of guys are looking for a dependable and cheap kit, which is why I'm staying log style for mass production.
Another thing to take into account with equal length mani's, its hard to make every one exactly the same. So your piping needs to be modded to fit, which isn't really that hard. Just another thing you have to deal with.
WD
I'm going with the log style for a stg 1 kit. I won't be doing equal length headers in my kits unless they are specificly ordered. Simply because it takes to long to build them.
The equal length header would drive the cost of the complete kit to about $3200 or so. I know alot of guys are looking for a dependable and cheap kit, which is why I'm staying log style for mass production.
Another thing to take into account with equal length mani's, its hard to make every one exactly the same. So your piping needs to be modded to fit, which isn't really that hard. Just another thing you have to deal with.
WD
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WDRacing wrote:Hey Nismo, if you make a pretty good equal length, I might just buy a bunch of yours and put them in my kit...lol. Assuming I get a bulk buy discount. Just to keep me from welding them up.heh
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I'm currently looking for the best SOHC T3 manifold around. I'm considering making one. I should say, learning how, experimenting, and basically dumping huge hours into it.
I'd be all over a nice Equal Length AC capable T3 Flanged SOHC turbo manifold. Combine that with a new T3 turbo with just enough flow for a max of 350whp and a downpipe and i'd pay well for it. I'd pay at least $1000, maybe as much as 1500 for such a setup.
I'd be all over a nice Equal Length AC capable T3 Flanged SOHC turbo manifold. Combine that with a new T3 turbo with just enough flow for a max of 350whp and a downpipe and i'd pay well for it. I'd pay at least $1000, maybe as much as 1500 for such a setup.
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well i dont have A/C so if u got one laying around that works but the AC lines get in the way E-mail me [email protected] thanks