im trying to add power !!!!! please....

[Red Devil]

Or maybe he can do what he wants and be the only Versa owner with that type of setup. Its better to be different than to most of the times be the same. I hate when I see Mustangs, Cavaliers, Civics, Tiburons and the like most of them with the same body kits, parts, headlights, tail lights.

Same shat Different Pile IMO, I wouldnt want a 240 that everyone else can relate to, but I would love to mod my Versa that NOONE can relate to. Go for it bro, Red Devil, our opinion doesnt matter to people who are gung-ho about modding their rides, I could care less what anyone though about mine. One thing I like are Altezza Tail Lights, but I heard they had alot of problems with them not fitting, I dont see anyone here with them so why cant anyone get them and say they are different?

It's just a waste of time and money though IMO. The Versa cannot be fast without spending an ungodly amount of cash. Even then, it still won't have the capabilities as half the other cars out there. If the majority of them wanted a lil car that had the potential to be fast, they should've gotten a Miata.

FYI, I was commenting on what raventare was saying. There is no products out there for the V that he descirbes. To make this car faster would require, at the least, the price of the car. You'd be voiding the warranty and setting yourself up for more problems. That's why older cars without warranties are better. There is nothing to risk when adding power. You're going to be paying for it when it breaks even if you don't do anything to it.

I think some people need to think about all the issues with trying to make a new car faster, especially if you bought something like a V. Obviously you were looking for a less expensive vehicle. Do you really have the job/bank account to be throwing money at it? Especially in these economic times, do you really want to risk it just to be "different"? Not worth it IMO.

[skyliner34gtr]

Ok, that I agree with. Throwing sums of money like $25,000 is retarded, yes, go buy a second hand corvette or whatever. But what if he throws $25,000 over the next say 5 years? That would be different in a way since you would only spend on average $5000 a year, thats not much considering you can pay $1500 for rims and tires right off the bat.

[raventare]

For those who read, my earlier post said that for a measly $9000 HKS took 1/2 a second (almost) off their Fit's 0 to 60 time (so what!!!) and I was also commenting that carbon fiber wheels ($3000 a pair for most bikes and $8000 for a car...made to order) and ceramic brakes ($8000 option on your Porsche) and available through AP or even soon from Stop Tech (with some modification for a V) would give more benefit . Sure, there are many better platforms to mod but if you have lemons you make lemonade. "SheDevil" said there was a CF expert in the house and I am sure the CF wheels would be a better use of CF than body panels if you are looking for performance...especially if you already have some "18" rollers on now. I also mentioned the increased value of the car (due to parts) but do not think for one nano-second that I would put my money into that project, but instead would buy a Honda 600RR and have a years worth of gas to go faster than any V will ever be capable of and still get better mileage!!!

[raventare]

As far as how much should a person spend on their ride is a matter for that person to decide and NOT a bunch of people in a forum. The forum is to discuss ideas and possibilities or ask for help with your problems...some people have more dollars than sense and more power to them...this is were the "bleeding edge" is and not where you worry about some manufacturers warranty claim.

[She Devil]

Ok let's just back up on second here. The whole point of the CF exterior has NOTHING to do with performance. It is merely a looks thing for me. As far as performance, the only mod I have planned is simply a Tanabe strut bar for better handling and less body roll. I am not looking to have a more powerful ride, if I was then I would have bought a car with more potential. Quiet simply I just want to do something to my V that no one else has done. For example CF interior and exterior. Oh yeah, and by the when you know how to CF, the materials for my interior will only cost around 300 and the exterior around 900!!! So where are you getting 25Gs for CF mods.

Maybe you should read a little closer next time. My original post had nothing to do with gaining more power, but with MPG. Yes I know the 18s are heavy and drop MPGs, however I had them on the car when I got 387 coming home from the beach. So NO, my gas mileage didn't get crappy just because of the 18s.

[silverarrow27]

Ok let's just back up on second here. The whole point of the CF exterior has NOTHING to do with performance. It is merely a looks thing for me. As far as performance, the only mod I have planned is simply a Tanabe strut bar for better handling and less body roll. I am not looking to have a more powerful ride, if I was then I would have bought a car with more potential. Quiet simply I just want to do something to my V that no one else has done. For example CF interior and exterior. Oh yeah, and by the when you know how to CF, the materials for my interior will only cost around 300 and the exterior around 900!!! So where are you getting 25Gs for CF mods.

Maybe you should read a little closer next time. My original post had nothing to do with gaining more power, but with MPG. Yes I know the 18s are heavy and drop MPGs, however I had them on the car when I got 387 coming home from the beach. So NO, my gas mileage didn't get crappy just because of the 18s.

I'll give you or your boy $1000 to make me all carbon fiber exterior parts such as all 4 doors, hatch, fenders, and hood.

[She Devil]

I'll give you or your boy $1000 to make me all carbon fiber exterior parts such as all 4 doors, hatch, fenders, and hood.

Darlin that price is just materials. Our time to do it much more vauable. But 1G and you buy the materials and we might be able to work something out.

[Bubs daddy]

Quote »But what if he throws $25,000 over the next say 5 years? [/quote]Then I would say, "A fool and his money are soon parted." To spend $25,000 on modifications for a Versa is wasted money. Hey, if someone wants to waste their money, go right ahead.

For the cost of the Versa and the $25K you have about $40,000 invested. That would get you a number of cars that would out perform a Versa every which way. Not only that but you'd have the resale of a 370Z, or late model Corvette, or BMW 3 series, a number of outstanding cars.

Sorry, I call 'em like I see 'em. Putting that much money in a Versa, even over 5 years times defies logic and common sense.

[silverarrow27]

Then I would say, "A fool and his money are soon parted." To spend $25,000 on modifications for a Versa is wasted money. Hey, if someone wants to waste their money, go right ahead.

For the cost of the Versa and the $25K you have about $40,000 invested. That would get you a number of cars that would out perform a Versa every which way. Not only that but you'd have the resale of a 370Z, or late model Corvette, or BMW 3 series, a number of outstanding cars.

Sorry, I call 'em like I see 'em. Putting that much money in a Versa, even over 5 years times defies logic and common sense.

I wouldn't necessarily put it that way, if I put $25000 of modifications into my Versa...I don't think a 350z or 370z would beat me around the nurburgring. One can do a lot with $25000 in mods if you spend it right.

Mine will somewhat come out like this one here in the link:

http://www.nissan-me.com/Engli...6.htm

Exception of the 1.6L engine. Most likely the 1.8 will be stroked to a 2.0 with a turbocharged system running an AEM or Haltech ems system. So on and so on....

As for the resale value and the money spent, logically you're correct. A tuner will always be a tuner though. Most tuners don't really care about resale values anyway. They do it as a hobby on the side, it's what makes them happy. Haven't you noticed, honda civics and accords started the tuner world?

If we all thought like you, there would be no tuning world at all for any vehicle whether it be a 350z or a new 3 series. It's like why spend another $25k of mods on a 350z when you can buy yourself an M3? Logically, the new M3 would walk the 350z & 370z like no tomorrow and have a way better resale value than a Z. There's always a better and tougher car out there...Why buy an m3 & spend another $25k of mods on it when you can buy yourself an M5/6 or a Porsche GT2/3?

[Bubs daddy]

Going to the junkyard and getting a salvage Versa for $800 and trying this is one thing. Going around the Nurburgring on a hopped up Versa would be entertaining. And in the end, you'd still have a Versa. I'd still rather have a car that was somewhat designed for performance and engineered for more than being a daily driver.

It's the starting palate. the empty canvas I have questions about. Back in the day, one could get a granny sedan and still hod rod it because it was body on frame. Stick a V-8 in there or massage the existing one was easier. Today's small cars need to rev because of the small fours. Unibodies, transaxles, front wheel drive...it's a different scene and one that, frankly is hard to understand.

If I wanted to do this, I'd just get a used late model Mustang. You have a good starting point and a whole lot of aftermarket support. You can really make the thing run, too.

A versa is like trying to make a gourmet meal out of macaroni and cheese. No matter what, it's still mac and cheese. It's made for commuting, for sipping gas, it's the sensible shoes car.

$25,000 on a Versa in addition to the sticker price? I suppose I could fill my pool with sand, that would be different. Expensive, too.
Modified by Bubs daddy at 12:30 AM 2/19/2009

[Red Devil]

I wouldn't necessarily put it that way, if I put $25000 of modifications into my Versa...I don't think a 350z or 370z would beat me around the nurburgring. One can do a lot with $25000 in mods if you spend it right.

Mine will somewhat come out like this one here in the link:

http://www.nissan-me.com/Engli...6.htm

Exception of the 1.6L engine. Most likely the 1.8 will be stroked to a 2.0 with a turbocharged system running an AEM or Haltech ems system. So on and so on....

As for the resale value and the money spent, logically you're correct. A tuner will always be a tuner though. Most tuners don't really care about resale values anyway. They do it as a hobby on the side, it's what makes them happy. Haven't you noticed, honda civics and accords started the tuner world?

If we all thought like you, there would be no tuning world at all for any vehicle whether it be a 350z or a new 3 series. It's like why spend another $25k of mods on a 350z when you can buy yourself an M3? Logically, the new M3 would walk the 350z & 370z like no tomorrow and have a way better resale value than a Z. There's always a better and tougher car out there...Why buy an m3 & spend another $25k of mods on it when you can buy yourself an M5/6 or a Porsche GT2/3?

Even with a ton of mods to a V, it wouldn't beat a Z around the Nurburgring. There's more to it than just power or just handling. It's a combination of a wide amount of factors that also includes drivetrain. An FWD car will be slower compared to a RWD car. RWD vs. AWD gets kind of fuzzy though. An RWD with a skilled driver can usually overcome the advantage of AWD.

[silverarrow27]

Even with a ton of mods to a V, it wouldn't beat a Z around the Nurburgring. There's more to it than just power or just handling. It's a combination of a wide amount of factors that also includes drivetrain. An FWD car will be slower compared to a RWD car. RWD vs. AWD gets kind of fuzzy though. An RWD with a skilled driver can usually overcome the advantage of AWD.

I don't doubt you, but that is when I would say; I'd gotta see it to believe it kinda thing on the Modded Versa vs a Z around Nurburgring. At this point, comparing a Versa with $25k worth of mods to a Z would be a bit unfair as there are many free mods that is not even included with the $25k of work done. I'd say it all comes down to driver skills.

I'll leave this comparison die off.

[silverarrow27]

Going to the junkyard and getting a salvage Versa for $800 and trying this is one thing. Going around the Nurburgring on a hopped up Versa would be entertaining. And in the end, you'd still have a Versa. I'd still rather have a car that was somewhat designed for performance and engineered for more than being a daily driver.

It's the starting palate. the empty canvas I have questions about. Back in the day, one could get a granny sedan and still hod rod it because it was body on frame. Stick a V-8 in there or massage the existing one was easier. Today's small cars need to rev because of the small fours. Unibodies, transaxles, front wheel drive...it's a different scene and one that, frankly is hard to understand.

If I wanted to do this, I'd just get a used late model Mustang. You have a good starting point and a whole lot of aftermarket support. You can really make the thing run, too.

A versa is like trying to make a gourmet meal out of macaroni and cheese. No matter what, it's still mac and cheese. It's made for commuting, for sipping gas, it's the sensible shoes car.

$25,000 on a Versa in addition to the sticker price? I suppose I could fill my pool with sand, that would be different. Expensive, too.

Modified by Bubs daddy at 12:30 AM 2/19/2009

You're going in a different direction now. As for tuning a Versa or any other cheap commuter grocery getting car, yes they are just what they are. When it comes to tuning, who cares what platform you start off from. Yes if a Versa beat your Corvette Z06, fact is that the Versa is still a Nissan and the Z06 is still a Chevrolet and you just lost to a grocery getter. A Mustang is still a Ford. A Ford GT is still a Ford. A GT500 is still a Ford, just like the GTR is still a Nissan. Supra is still Toyota. What's the point? They're not Ferrari's or Lamborghini's, so why care so much about what make is better than most.

For instance, I've owned about 6 240sx's with sr20's in there. I've kicked a** with it from Mustang Cobras to NSX's. Fact is, yes, my car is a Nissan still, but that $60-100k car that you just bought was just dinner for me You can shrug it off all you want, the people that actually saw it happen would think to themselves: "A $60-100k car just lost to an old $2-5k car. How embarrassing! Waste of money."

[tyler_ofspain]

You're going in a different direction now. As for tuning a Versa or any other cheap commuter grocery getting car, yes they are just what they are. When it comes to tuning, who cares what platform you start off from. Yes if a Versa beat your Corvette Z06, fact is that the Versa is still a Nissan and the Z06 is still a Chevrolet and you just lost to a grocery getter. A Mustang is still a Ford. A Ford GT is still a Ford. A GT500 is still a Ford, just like the GTR is still a Nissan. Supra is still Toyota. What's the point? They're not Ferrari's or Lamborghini's, so why care so much about what make is better than most.

For instance, I've owned about 6 240sx's with sr20's in there. I've kicked a** with it from Mustang Cobras to NSX's. Fact is, yes, my car is a Nissan still, but that $60-100k car that you just bought was just dinner for me You can shrug it off all you want, the people that actually saw it happen would think to themselves: "A $60-100k car just lost to an old $2-5k car. How embarrassing! Waste of money."

I'd rather have the best of both worlds

[Bubs daddy]

Quote »You're going in a different direction now. As for tuning a Versa or any other cheap commuter grocery getting car, yes they are just what they are. When it comes to tuning, who cares what platform you start off from. Yes if a Versa beat your Corvette Z06, fact is that the Versa is still a Nissan and the Z06 is still a Chevrolet and you just lost to a grocery getter. A Mustang is still a Ford. A Ford GT is still a Ford. A GT500 is still a Ford, just like the GTR is still a Nissan. Supra is still Toyota. What's the point? They're not Ferrari's or Lamborghini's, so why care so much about what make is better than most.

For instance, I've owned about 6 240sx's with sr20's in there. I've kicked a** with it from Mustang Cobras to NSX's. Fact is, yes, my car is a Nissan still, but that $60-100k car that you just bought was just dinner for me You can shrug it off all you want, the people that actually saw it happen would think to themselves: "A $60-100k car just lost to an old $2-5k car. How embarrassing! Waste of money."

[/quote]I don't know what you're trying to say in your first paragraph. You can put $25,000 in a Versa and it's still a Versa, i.e., it has limitations. You'll hit a point of diminishing returns for the ridiculous amount of money you'd put into it. The performance enhancing envelope for other cars is far wider.

My point is from my original response to someone that suggested that spending $25K over five years is reasonable or understandable. To me, and to most others, you're throwing your money away.

As far as the fast and furious tales, I'm sure it was epic. Titles on the line, eh? What, from a stoplight for 500 feet? Did you pass them on the freeway when changing lanes? Squeal your tires? And what was in that Cobra? Was it a real Cobra? I mean, what were the circumstances with all these cars that were "dinner for me?" Internet stories of bravado live in deep lore but very little verification.

You guys can tune all you want. Have at it. Replace all the sheet metal with carbon fiber. But were talking about a Versa here. It will finally hit you one day like it did the Russian Bull. "What the heck am I doing, it's a flippin' Versa." It's a commuter car.

I'm sure there was someone who spent a fortune on their Chevette, too. And they finally realized they'll never get their time or money back.

I'm a straight shooter. And I'm telling anyone who wants to hop up a Versa, save your money and hop up something else that's worth it.
Modified by Bubs daddy at 9:18 PM 2/19/2009

[Red Devil]

I'd rather have the best of both worlds

R8 FTW!!! Perfect combination of luxury, performance and styling. If I had enough I'd buy the upcoming R8 5.2 FSI Quattro in a heartbeat.

[They Call Me Whatshisname]

I'm sure there was someone who spent a fortune on their Chevette, too. And they finally realized they'll never get their time or money back.

I thought you said Civette at first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmP3au8UoXc

I wish I had one >:[

[silverarrow27]

I don't know what you're trying to say in your first paragraph. You can put $25,000 in a Versa and it's still a Versa, i.e., it has limitations. You'll hit a point of diminishing returns for the ridiculous amount of money you'd put into it. The performance enhancing envelope for other cars is far wider.

My point is from my original response to someone that suggested that spending $25K over five years is reasonable or understandable. To me, and to most others, you're throwing your money away.

As far as the fast and furious tales, I'm sure it was epic. Titles on the line, eh? What, from a stoplight for 500 feet? Did you pass them on the freeway when changing lanes? Squeal your tires? And what was in that Cobra? Was it a real Cobra? I mean, what were the circumstances with all these cars that were "dinner for me?" Internet stories of bravado live in deep lore but very little verification.

You guys can tune all you want. Have at it. Replace all the sheet metal with carbon fiber. But were talking about a Versa here. It will finally hit you one day like it did the Russian Bull. "What the heck am I doing, it's a flippin' Versa." It's a commuter car.

I'm sure there was someone who spent a fortune on their Chevette, too. And they finally realized they'll never get their time or money back.

I'm a straight shooter. And I'm telling anyone who wants to hop up a Versa, save your money and hop up something else that's worth it.

Modified by Bubs daddy at 9:18 PM 2/19/2009

You don't get the point, everyone that spends money on their car doesn't expect to get every cent of it back. Whoever that spends a gob of money on their car and expect to get most if not all back is ridiculously stupid. Tuning is a hobby on the side for fun. Everyone has a hobby, I'm sure you do too. What you don't seem to understand is, a Versa will always be a Versa and it and every machine on this planet has a limitation. That's the exciting part...to find out what the limitations to your car is. You keep going back to the part about money spent in modifying a Versa is not worth it, to some people it is. Everyone already understands that modifying any car is not worth it really. It's a lose/lose situation, but like I said; it's not about the money. It's discovering what the car can and cannot do that is the fun part.

As for my fast and furious tales...I at least have some and at least they're reality. All my racing is done at the street legal drags at California Speedway. I'm sorry if you're trying to be a straight shooter, you're not. I can't help it if you live your life a 1/4 mile of a time watching your favorite movie, Fast and the Furious. "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning." I figured I'd share my tales of glory with you to show that a cheap car can still hang and beat the big boys for what it is.

Funny you should question about the Cobra, why do you care? A Ford is still a Ford if I ate it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You ask for mods on the Cobra, how about my mods? You think just because it's a Cobra my cheap little 240sx can't beat it. That's the fun part about tuning, you'll never know what hit ya until it does.

Rear bumper had Cobra, Cobra emblems all around, top mounted supercharger on a 4.6L v8. I'm sure it's a Cobra. This brings me back to Vin Diesel's quote, which I'm sure you're aware of by now since you did sorta bring up Fast and the Furious. "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning." I don't have to verify anything to prove my point, I know I've done it and legally. That's all I care.

My E46 M3 that I sold last year was fun to a certain point. Sometimes an expensive car that is probably worth it to begin with is actually not worth it at all. It's so expensive you don't even want to drive it nor race it. What's the point to buy a car like that and garage it only? Break a part & it's an arm and a leg for the stealership to take. Wreck a Versa, heck I can pick up another one for cheap Hell, I can pick up about 4-5 Versa's for the price I paid for the M3.

[Bubs daddy]

You're taking this personally. I never talked about you doing mods to your car. I was speaking of putting $25,000 in a Versa. If you can't see that, I don't know how else to explain it.

I'm well aware this is a hobby. I was working on cars before you could walk, perhaps before you were born. I'm thoroughly familiar with putting money into cars.

No one is saying not to put some money into their car, or to modify it. I'm saying that putting $25,000 into a commuter car like the Versa that has severe limitations is ridiculous and I stand by that. You disagree, fine. But you're taking this all too personally.

[skyliner34gtr]

[Red Devil]