Im so sick of the SR!!!

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Sorry I just have to vent. How come when ever I tell someone I have a 240 theyre like you gonna drop a SR in there? NO IM NOT!!!! Its pointless I could put a 40 shot on my car an run with stock SR's!!! Personally the money I would spend for a damn SR swap, I could have a very nicely built Ka-T. But no every kid out there disagrees cause they know so much about nissans!! UGH I hate it for example I pulled in to this gas station an a guy yells to his friend let em hear that SR! I cant wait to *****in own those SR's!! Sorry just alittle annoyed by ignorant ppl these days.


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im sure there are a lot of KA owners that feel the same way, hell, im sure all the CA guys hear it as well, and most people probably dont even believe that there is a ca18det, let the morons think waht they want, just make sure u wipe the floor with em, and remind em its a U.S spec KA ;)

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Believe me I feel your pain. I get it all the time, it especially irritates me when DSM and Honda guys go off about how I'm stupid for wanting to run 7psi on stock KA strength internals. And how I shouldn't waste my money on the KA and just import an SR. Then I try to explain to them that I would rather import a CA and they dont' know what I'm talkin about. But still tell me that the SR is better. It just really bugs me when people try to tell me what to do about the KA like they know everything about it.

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arent the KA's internals forged?

well rods and crank...

i hear they're very VERY strong, cept for the piston rings...

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I get that all the time. I say "Why would I put that junker in and throw away 20% of my displacement?" Espically since I upgraded my fuel last weekend and am running ~16psi! Damn it's getting quick.

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An SR motor is a great motor but the point is that they are used and sometimes used hard! and you pay a considerable bit of money for this “import” motor and you have no idea if it will last 1 month or two years! I personally would never buy a redtop without rebuilding it before I put it in my car. A stock redtop makes around 205 HP and might net you 155 WHP in stock form stock boost intercooler, and would cost around 3k to have installed including motor and whatever! I took a stock KA from 128WHP to 152WHP with 1,500 bucks and NO TURBO! I did get some deals on some parts but still it just comes down personal choices and FINANCES!!!!! A KA build up can be done cheap as hell if someone would be willing to use stock internals including pistons better rings and have a good machinist build the block the right way. I am a firm believer that a rebuilt KA with stock internals and with a little extra tricks like detonation rings added to the piston landings cryogenically treated rods and pistons. ! Would hold 300HP!!!!

I’m talking about 700 dollar KA turbo block buildup and people ask me all the time if in going to get an SR:mad:

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when people find out my car is turbo they ask me if i did the SR swap. i say no just the factory KA and they look at me like i asked them what the meaning of life is

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Structure240sx wrote:... and they look at me like i asked them what the meaning of life is


:D LMFAO

But yes, its sad what a few movies can do. The SR craze is even reaching the far ends of a little third world country we know as Costa Rica :rolleyes People are asking me like,

- Do you know that in the US they do the Silvia swap (Honda guys talking) / are you gonna do the SR swap? (Nissan folk)- Nope... I'm gonna go KAT...- WHAT!?!? but you need to build up the engine with expensive parts...- Nope... just pistons- So what are you gonna be running... 4PSI?- Nope... 18PSI. More if I can get a hold of good race gas for a change

And I know what you mean by "the meaning of life look"

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hmm well whenever my honda buddies ask me what kinda car i want they laugh when i say a 240sx. they say that the high speed is limited and its a pain in the azz to buy an swap a sr. i just turn to the fat one who drives the crx and ask when hes gonna do the H22 swap. he shuts up. besides, he knows i give him a carlane in my stock sentra. and what i hat even more is now at the illegal races, everyone wants to trade in their civics and integras for a 240sx. they say it runs 13s and 80% of them think that the 240sx comes stock with the sr20. o yea, hahaha i asked them if theyll drift if they get a 240sx and one of their exact quotes were " hell yea. id kill everyone with donuts" o yea did i 4get to mention that the only definition for drifting they have is doing donuts?

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Yea exactly, there like why would you use the stock engine? For one all i need is new rings an pistons an im set for enough boost to beat any of em. Then all my internals are forged, plus I have a cast iron block instead of a crappy aluminum one. Yea I get the whole drifting thing alot. There like do you go drifting?? An i say no because my suspension isnt set up for it yet. Then they are baffled that stock 240's arent made to drift(they can its just sloppy) an why I wouldnt get an SR swap an rethink their plan of buyin a 240. An for some reason they think SR's make the car like a 12 second car when really there built Si can take em.

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i was in pepboys the other day waiting to get my downpipe finished and i was lookin for a gasket. this kid that works there is like what kind of car do u have i say a 240sx i jsut put a turbo kit on. he tells me there this junkyard with a 300sx (yes he said 300sx) engine that works for $100 and i should get it. i look at him like WTF are you talkin about and actually say whats a 300sx? o u mean 300zx. come to find out that the probe in the parking lot with the ebay graphics across the side is his but hes working on it

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paul posted this awhile back...and sadly its still true!
MovingViolation240 wrote:I had a ricer come running up to my car after he heard my blowoff, I had the hood up after coming into the meet. His first question "is that an SR20DET?"

"no"

"RB20DET" *more excited*

"no"

"RB25DET" *very excited now*

"NO"

"OMG It's an RB26...." *jumping up and down screaming*

"NO! it's a CA18DET bored 1mm over with a 60-1 turbo, HKS...."

*cutting me off mid sentence* "oh, never heard of it" *walks away*


LOL:D...Sean

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thats very sad pauls ca was nasty. i only heard of it tho never saw it *walking away now

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This thread was designed for me, I swear I get the same thing. I pulled up to a gas station and the attendant came out to me and asked "Have you got ya swap yet?". I said nope. He told me that he got an S15 front clip from a "friend in Japan"(since everyone has one) for 400 US. I laughed at him and said, that painting must have been expensive. He got a little miffed and asked me when I was planning my own SR swap. I told him I wouldn't put that thing in my engine and I was turboing my KA.

He LAUGHS at me and says that the "truck" motor can barely pull 4psi without blowing itself up. Needless to say I don't go to that gas station and when I finally get the turbo on, there will be a challenge issued.

*Forgot to say that he drives an early 'Teg with Altezza's and a fartcan. He forgot to mention this.*

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Like ur sig holyshiznit.

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Some people just dont know. I still see 240 people all on SR20 nuts. They are the MAIN ones. Sure outsiders ask those dumb *** questrions, but your fellow 240 drivers are just as uneducated. I have met people who STILL think the RB20 is a TON of fabrication and is a waste of money. Why didnt you go SR. I hear that all the time.

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I really noticed that there was a problem when SCC came out with the tech article on how to swap in an sr20. Then the next one said that the invesated like 12000 in parts or something really gay like that, and then only put like 276 at the wheels with no torque to speak of, and the didnt even get into the 12's. they fixed that later....with more money. And then, the icing on the cake. The last months issue of SCC showed all kinds of silvia swaps and whatnot, and ricky chu made the comment of how much better the sr is and said something along the lines of since everybody is doing it , then it only makes sense that its better. And all of us "ka dorks" should realize it.My first ka that i built- it put down 532 rwhp on spray at 24 psi on 116. Id like to take on ANY of the cars the ricky chu endorses that are actually owned by SOMEONE and not a damn corp. like hks or blitz(which still arent as fast as the ka im driving)...oh well-**** em'

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p.s. ---sr20's suk

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Projex240 wrote:I really noticed that there was a problem when SCC came out with the tech article on how to swap in an sr20. Then the next one said that the invesated like 12000 in parts or something really gay like that, and then only put like 276 at the wheels with no torque to speak of, and the didnt even get into the 12's. they fixed that later....with more money. And then, the icing on the cake. The last months issue of SCC showed all kinds of silvia swaps and whatnot, and ricky chu made the comment of how much better the sr is and said something along the lines of since everybody is doing it , then it only makes sense that its better. And all of us "ka dorks" should realize it.My first ka that i built- it put down 532 rwhp on spray at 24 psi on 116. Id like to take on ANY of the cars the ricky chu endorses that are actually owned by SOMEONE and not a damn corp. like hks or blitz(which still arent as fast as the ka im driving)...oh well-**** em'


It did have a good amount of torque.

anyways, I'm the biggest supporter of turboing what you've got.Why waste money on an engine from some other place that you know nothing about? So you can be cool and say "JDM" all the ****in time?

That 700$ built bottom end sounds so delicious

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doesnt ricky shu work for super street? the thought that really makes me hurt is that our once hard to find 240's will be all gobbled up by ricers that think the SR is the only way to go, leaving no more 240's for use to properly mod and care for. damnit!!!!!1

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I agree with everyone. I love my KA. People always come up to the car and oo and ahh over it, because yes it does look and sound great. When they ask if I have an sr20 though, I say no, and the conversation dies. They walk off all disappointed thinking I am the dumbest person they have every talked to because I am just no jumping on the sr20 bandwagon. I have wanted to turbo my KA for like 2 years. Maybe not quite that long, but its been a while. It hasn't gotten done yet, and dont know if it ever will. But crap I love my motor.

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I have to admit that the SR is what got me into Nissan. I was sick of my turbo civic having all the little problems (TQ steer, oil leaks, no traction) I got my 240 from a good friend of mine after selling my civic. The money from the Civic was going to go into my car and it did. After doing some research I started leaning towards tuboing the KA. But I though that would put me back into the rut my civic was in. A never ending project. So I though the SR was my best option. But then I learned about the RB25. I really liked the idea and put my money into getting me an RB25. But I made the mistake of going through Cameron and now I got no $$ and no clip. I have alot of hate towards importers. They sell Japanes junk for 2-3 times what they pay for it. So if I can ever get my $$ back I will go with turboing my KA.

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I feel bad for everyone that got screwed by Cameron. I barley dodged that bullett for the simple fact that I had no place to do the swap. I talked to him about ordering a clip but I was still in college and would consider ordering one when I got out. When I graduated this May and started posting again I found out about all of the people that got screwed. Thank god I didnt order one and I really feel for all of you.

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^ Sorry to hear it man. Yea everyone thinks O Im gonna get an SR!! thinkin they are brand new or something. Good luck gettin one under 40k miles also they come from a junkyard!!!!! Your payin 2 thousand dollars for junk!!!! Good engines dont just end up in the junk yard. If they did there would be alot of ppl driving around with nice new 350s. Also I can have a totally rebuilt KA, with pistons an rings an oil pan taped for almost half of what a SR with 40k miles. What would you pick?

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Silent Drifter i agree with you i wanna go ka24de-t also the ks is a great engine to turbo

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hell yea my 122k mi ka was holdin 10psi just fine until i ran out of fuel and it leaned out. it prob could have held 12 psi if it had enough fuel

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I agree with all you guys, the KA is a great engine

however, in my case, I'd like a CA18, 'cause that damn thing is TINY and shoved way back, so it's a cast block like th KA and is "heavey and outdated" when compaired to the SR's aluminum block, but who gives a ****? 2755-300whp is my goal, and oh the auto-x beast it will be.

but I respect all the people that do SR swaps, but I give equal respect to those that do CA swaps or KA-T set-ups, it's the ones that start bashing engines and drinking WAY too much Hatorade that get no respect from me (I was there once, did too much bashing in my day, I'm proud to say I've Hatorade free for months now :D )

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PS...Hatorade is in no way associated with Gatorade or any of it's affiliates :D

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Xero wrote:I agree with all you guys, the KA is a great engine

however, in my case, I'd like a CA18, 'cause that damn thing is TINY and shoved way back, so it's a cast block like th KA and is "heavey and outdated" when compaired to the SR's aluminum block, but who gives a ****? 2755-300whp is my goal, and oh the auto-x beast it will be.

but I respect all the people that do SR swaps, but I give equal respect to those that do CA swaps or KA-T set-ups, it's the ones that start bashing engines and drinking WAY too much Hatorade that get no respect from me (I was there once, did too much bashing in my day, I'm proud to say I've Hatorade free for months now :D )


Wow! 2755-300 whp thats going to be a beast!!!

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lol!! shut-up :D stop making fun of my poor typing skillz!!


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