i miss my mustang.

[Phax]

Since the smack down has already been applied, I'll move onto the kinder, more gentler side of the reprimanding.

As a few people have already pointed out, there are monetary reprocussions from driving poorly. I know. I was paying over $200 a month for liability coverage to drive a 1972 Datsun 510. That was just to have it on the road. If anyone had smashed into me, the vehicle would have been gone.

Tickets aside, vehicles are expensive to fix. If you push your vehicle to the limit, you will mess up sooner or later. No human being is perfect. The more times you tempt the fate, the more like you are to come up on the wrong side of things.

The wrong side of things in a vehicle means at least hundreds of dollars in repairs (assuming you only wipe out your suspension, or bang up a couple of body panels). It could very well mean your life, or the life of some poor person who happened to be in the same place that you were.

Someone above mentioned learning their lesson after getting caught at 120+. I learned mine after I had to swerve to avoid someone who cut me off. Although I wasn't pushing it at the time, the accident caused me to reflect upon all the times I had pushed it, and it made me realize just how lucky I was not to have killed myself at any of those previous times.

Someone else mentioned that kids shouldn't be given cars with more than 120 hp. I agree. My first car had about 180, a turbo, and was RWD. I crashed it three times before it eventually died an electrical death.

With regards to NissanRose's specific situation. It's a good thing that your parents are metting out some punishment. When I was a kid, my only punishment was having to come up with the money to fix my own car. Looking back on it, I wish my parents had been a bit more strict. A couple weeks without a vehicle will help focus inside your mind the things that you want to do, but become more difficult to do without a vehicle.

Once you've had time to contemplate everything that you've been wanting to do, you'll have your car back and absolutely nothing to stop you from doing something similar again. Probably not on those same S-curves, at night. Only the stupidest of stupidest people go back and repeat the same mistake again. But some similar instance of pushing the car beyond the limits could be in the future.

When that future moment comes, consider a few things. Road signs are guidelines. In good conditions (sunny, dry roads, no traffic), while driving a well maintained car (properly aligned, good shocks, tires and brakes), you can "safely" do about 10-15mph faster than what the signs say. Anything beyond that, you had better be VERY AWARE of where you're going to divert to, when things go wrong.

The police try to get to you before things go wrong, in hopes of scaring you into not doing them again. Having to pay money and not have a car for a month or so isn't very scary. It's too impersonal. And at times, it's better to be a bit impersonal, than have to have first hand experience with quickly contemplating how many seconds you have left to live.

[90Q45blue]

On the practical side of things, talk to the prosecutor and try to get the ticket amended to inattentive driving, a non-moving violation. It will cost more but won't go on your insurance. Also, in some states the ticket for no license is taken back if you present your license at court. Good luck!

All in all, evading an officer is a bad idea. Think about this: if he wanted to, he could have impounded your car and thrown you in jail. Not a good way to spend your night I would imagine. Think about that the next time. Oh and my dad got in a wreck 3 years ago with a speeding teenager driving a mustang. You wanna know the only reason he survived? You guessed it. He wore his seatbelt and DON"T you forget it. Would hate for you to pass up a bright future by making a foolish mistake.

Nick

[nametakennow]

Guys, you can now appreciate the fact that you've changed me (16yrs) as a driver a little with this thread, I guess you can call it another victory. From now on, I'm gonna stop my stupid speed trips, or at least limit them greatly. It's plenty of fun to get to the speed limit fast, right? That's always been my philosophy, but now I'll actually follow it more. Thanks guys, and good luck Rose, I hope you heeded their advice too.

[Nebraska240sx]

question for you rose do you even have a licince?

[Nebraska240sx]

same question to nametakennow also

[toki]

you guys are idiots. don't pretend for a second you didn't mess around in a car when you were her age, and don't EVEN try and play it off like you wouldn't have, and havn't, taken every car you've owned to the limit if not just once to see what it will do. Car enthusiasts are enthusiasts for a reason.

you are all just sooooo much better than her. the girl was having some fun, she made a mistake, and she has obviously learned from it. You could have all just left it at that. She was only going 60 in a 45. Seriously. 60mph. OH NO. WATCH OUT. CALL THE CHANNEL 9 COPTER CAM~~~11~~`~!! If she couldn't handle the car at 60 then I don't really think she would have been out screwing around without a seatbelt on.

Oh by the way - 'running' from the police is perfectly fine in this situation because she wasn't really running from the police, there was no persuit involved. I would have done the exact same thing. But then again, i'm just another dumb 16 year old kid. It's not like it works 4/5 times or anything, and all that happens if they find you anyways is a ticket.

Hell, if you have a fast car and you see them comming and they havn't already got your plates, just run, most of the time they won't chase you.

HAVE FUN ENDANGERING OTHER PEOPLES LIVES, KIDS.

[lessthanjakejohn]

[Nebraska240sx]

hey toki i dont need people endangering my life, people die that way, 60 in a 45 is a big ticket, and on a curve its dangerous none the less, but people die from driving that way. if not the driver some one who is compleatly innocent just driving home from work or school.

u are the kind of people that dont get it till u almost die or some one close to you does die. or u kill the innocent bystander who was just walking home.

[Mr1der]

seatbelt = good thing

though preaching may not get through, wrecking your car sure as hell will, even though it's a mere 15 over, you might get ****y and try oh, 40 over. Things get dumb quick. I learned my lesson about 2 and a half years ago, I rarely do 10 over the speed limit now (sometimes I do a little high speed run, only on the interstate and low traffic though, and not very long). If you wreck you car, I pray you have a good restraint and live through with little or no injuries. I'd never even broken a bone in my body until I wrapped my car around a tree, that will quickly change your view of thinking you're invulnerable like I thought I was.

even more important than thinking of yourself is thinking of others, I can't shake the thought of a kid chasing a ball out in front of me from my thoughts while driving.

Be safe and in control:)

[Nebraska240sx]

and if they can prove u were running u can lose you licince.. and many other bad things can heppen.

[90Q45blue]

you guys are idiots. don't pretend for a second you didn't mess around in a car when you were her age, and don't EVEN try and play it off like you wouldn't have, and havn't, taken every car you've owned to the limit if not just once to see what it will do. Car enthusiasts are enthusiasts for a reason.

you are all just sooooo much better than her. the girl was having some fun, she made a mistake, and she has obviously learned from it. You could have all just left it at that. She was only going 60 in a 45. Seriously. 60mph. OH NO. WATCH OUT. CALL THE CHANNEL 9 COPTER CAM~~~11~~`~!! If she couldn't handle the car at 60 then I don't really think she would have been out screwing around without a seatbelt on.

Oh by the way - 'running' from the police is perfectly fine in this situation because she wasn't really running from the police, there was no persuit involved. I would have done the exact same thing. But then again, i'm just another dumb 16 year old kid. It's not like it works 4/5 times or anything, and all that happens if they find you anyways is a ticket.

Hell, if you have a fast car and you see them comming and they havn't already got your plates, just run, most of the time they won't chase you.

HAVE FUN ENDANGERING OTHER PEOPLES LIVES, KIDS.

Sit down son. It's time to learn.

First off, I personally did take my car to the limit when I was 16, you're right. BUT I did it on an airplane runway that belonged to a company my grandpa worked for and had their permission. Don't get me wrong, getting your car up to 165mph is fun, but scary at the same time.

Taking your car to the limit is part of being a kid, but why do it in a residential area? That is so dangerous. Do you have any idea how many children play outside right by you as you're doing 60mph?

By the way, 60 in a 45 is a big deal according to the law. In most states, that's 2 points off your license. Plus, it's not like she was on the highway or anything. Also, last time I checked the Ford Mustang isn't the epitome of excellent handling. :rolleyes

Also, running from the police like she did IS a big deal. You obviously have no idea what you're talking. Who the hell am I to tell you different? I'll tell you. I have worked for a law firm ever since I was that 16-year-old kid (5 years). I have handled multiple speeding, moving violation situations. I can tell you from handling cases similar to this that running from the police can and will get you an "evading an officer" ticket. Next time you talk to your insurance guy, ask him how much that'll drive up your insurance. Trust me, it's a bad idea.

Sure it may work some of the time, but you better have a damn good lawyer the time it doesn't. Like I said, the officer could arrest you if they so chose. And btw, speeding off if they don't have your plates is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That's right, cuz police aren't as fast as you are. Do you know the Crown Vic's the police use can get up to 170mph? I doubt your car can top that very well.

If you really enjoy endangering other people's lives then give me your car so I can junk it. You don't deserve it. You are why I support raising the driving age.

Nick

[Megaseth]

^ouch

[Mr1der]

dude, sorry, crown vics police use only do a governed 125mph

no way would they even hit 170 without the governor...

I do agree about running from the police though, it's not the car that will catch you rather the radio.

If she was already pulled over when the cop started the pursuit, I wouldn't call it evading the police. And the girl's mother was probably right to claim not to know her, even though it was a lie, but it's best to keep her from any percieved trouble there might have been. She merely wanted to remain neutral and out of the matters of the law.

[toki]

"Hell, if you have a fast car and you see them comming and they havn't already got your plates, just run, most of the time they won't chase you.

HAVE FUN ENDANGERING OTHER PEOPLES LIVES, KIDS."

that part was sarcastic if no one caught that.

don't be so serious BRAH. I "get it", my friend since i was 5 years old is currently in jeadordy of losing his license, i know countless people who already have, my family members have been serious injured due to recless drivers...the point being, what she was doing wasn't really that dangerous...

And just do you know, I am a 'safe' driver, i've never taken my car above 65 off of the highway, and the one time i even hit 65 was an accident because some jackass with road rage decided that letting me merge was too cool for him and i ended up going a little faster than i wanted. I also know that when i'm just chilling at 55 going down a twisty road I am in complete control, and if i think for even a second there is an uncontrolled situation about to arise, guess what? I back off. So just so you know, i'm not captain street race recless driver. **** happens. Nothing is going to stop that.

[90Q45blue]

dude, sorry, crown vics police use only do a governed 125mph

no way would they even hit 170 without the governor...

I do agree about running from the police though, it's not the car that will catch you rather the radio.

If she was already pulled over when the cop started the pursuit, I wouldn't call it evading the police. And the girl's mother was probably right to claim not to know her, even though it was a lie, but it's best to keep her from any percieved trouble there might have been. She merely wanted to remain neutral and out of the matters of the law.

Police cars don't have governed Crown Vics, at least...none in Kansas do. My fiancee's brother is a police officer btw which is how I know this.

Also, hiding from an officer is still "evading and officer" and can and usually will get you a ticket and/or jail time.

Nick

[Nathan]

60 in a 45 is a big ticket

60 in a 45 is the same as 46 in a 45 in all the cities I've gotten tickets in. It's chump change anyway, last time I got one I think it was 110 bucks or something. More than fair for the number of times I've not gotten caught I could care less if people speed, you have to look at the context, there ARE places and times it's safe to exceed the speed limit. However, nissanrose's place and time sounded like the wrong one, I hope she learned a bit from this experience.

[Altiman94]

doesnt look liek she's back to this thread. Maybe she got grounded from the computer, haha! SOmeone steer her over to http://www.3.8mustang.com she can be with her fellow slow v6 mustang owners.

[90Q45blue]

However, nissanrose's place and time sounded like the wrong one, I hope she learned a bit from this experience.

That was the point I was trying to make. What she was doing WAS dangerous, at to not wear a seatbelt also just makes it that much worse.

Toki,

Sorry I didn't pick up on the sarcasm there. If you'll read my previous posts in this thread you'll see 16yo crazy drivers are a sore subject with me. I applaud you for playing it safe on the roads, but taking curves at 55 is very dangerous in any area. Drifting, while fun, can be quite dangerous.

Nick

[Nebraska240sx]

dude, sorry, crown vics police use only do a governed 125mph

no way would they even hit 170 without the governor...

I do agree about running from the police though, it's not the car that will catch you rather the radio.

only high speed pursuit camaros vettes ect hit that now. mabey, MABEY there were a few fullsized crusiers that could in the early to mid 90's but ive got no ideaa.... all i know is that if they catch up to u, u got to jail directly to jail u don not pass go u do not collect any thing but fines and lose points

[skydragoness]

Quote » You are why I support raising the driving age.[/quote]

That is EXACTLY what i feel.Although it's off topic according to this situation, i feel as though this country could sure as hell use stricter testing rather than just raising the new-driver age. Everyone and their one-eyed dog can pass. It's pathetic in comparison with other developed countries that have a high vehicle count.

As far as mustangrose's circumstances, shining moments of stupidity are a part of human nature. No sense in anyone here saying they never done something stupid in a car. No one has the right to preach that. At the same time, people who do crazy acts while other people are on the road, during the day, need to be restricted to public transportation use. There's always a time and place for fun....that's why i got into autocrossing. It's a way to vent the need.

[Mr1der]

Vettes, yes, camaros no, the cops only use un molested factory cars minus the interceptor vics with slightly more powerful motors, heavy suspension, and extra front seat padding(no really, pretty funny but makes perfect sense) The Impalas used are SS without the trim and the added seat cushioning.

radio waves will go faster than anycar though. running from the police is just dumb, they have a tendency to be a little rough when they catch you anyway (flame it if you want, but I'd be pissed if some idiot lead me on a dangerous chase with no regard to others or my personal safety and I feel they get less than what they deserve but hey, we have a constitution that gives rights to people that don't even deserve them.

oh Altiman, if you look hard enough on that forum, you should find some 11 sec turbo 3.8's;)

[90Q45blue]

There's always a time and place for fun....that's why i got into autocrossing. It's a way to vent the need.

:Werd

[toki]

Thanks Nick, no bad blood over here or anything either. I make most of my posts semi sarcastic on the whole anyways. hah. I hate crazy 16 year old drivers too, hell I hate 90% of people on the road, but I still try and keep it safe.

By the way the road I am usually taking at 55 is a road i've driven for the last 2 years, and there are only 2 corners that are dangerous > 50..and I always watch out for those *insert wink emotiocon*

[krazy skwerel]

Hahahaha fast crown vic from the early 90's hahahaha. Sorry but damn were the early 90's trash. It's all about the Caprice. Oh yeah!

[Megaseth]

speaking of fast cars. my grandfather was telling me about the time the state troopers switched to the 390 in the LTDs and the engine had so much torque that when they took off to go after someone, they ended up bringing the back of the car to the front. he said they quickly learned how to adjust.

[Mr1der]

the only merit I can see in raising the age to 18 is that less kids are gonna be in high school trying to impress their friends, I personally don't feel 2 years will make that big of difference.

now making harder to get a license is an entirely different story, I remember only having to make 4 right turns to pass mine, it was pretty damn pathetic...

yeah, it's definitely dumb to take roads too fast, especially when you're not used to them. That'd be how I totaled my old car.

how many people have totaled a car from driving like a complete moron?

[Megaseth]

i didnt total it, but i ended up sending my car into some bushes. but it was becasue the tires sucked and it hadnt rained in along time and when it did, there was a lot of dirt and oil on the roads, so they were extra slick.

[WDRacing]

Boy has this thread turned ultra gay...

[Dano]

Boy has this thread turned ultra gay...

:Werd, thats wat i've been saying! this thread is uselesssssss.

-Dan

[Phax]

:Werd, thats wat i've been saying! this thread is uselesssssss.

-Dan

:Werd

Exercise your moderific powers to close the thread. A solution has been proclaimed, the girl who was once NissanRose, should now be called MustangRose and directed to a Mustang forum. Toki should follow her, to protect her and get in on the 16 year old cyber lovin. :ylsuper