I HATE WANNA BE THUGS...[pics to show why]

[Omar]

I sense some racisim here.

Anyways, good luck with your healing.

If I were, I'd just walk away. There are crazy people out there. Even if you do kick his butt, you think he will stop? No. The ego that made him punch you in the first place will come back with an even stronger ego looking for revenge. It will never stop. He will come back twice as hard. There are people who use guns too.

Later...

- Omar

[[Zero-S]]

When it comes to minors, the deal is, let them get their free hit. Then beat the living **** out of them. Then call the cops.

Trust me, their punkass won't mess with you again.

And IMO race shouldn't have to do anything with a good old fashion ***-whoopin. Black, white, green for all I care, if you deserve it, and provoke me enough, I will come out swingin.

[yashin]

Here's what you do.

1. get some weapons, ski masks and big friends.follow the kid around , when he's alone, preferably at night, jump him and steal his wallet, to make it look like you're robbing him, when he fights back stab/beat him down hard, leave him to die

2. don't hang out where you usually do

3. buy a gun, next time this black guy comes at you, shoot him in self defence

[Nathan]

Yashin had only one good idea, number 2. As for the other ones...wow, the depths of humanities stupidity knows no bounds.

[yashin]

As long as you didn't start it, I don't see any problem with doing what I said. I don't and never have gone looking for a fight. I always try not to fight. But if some **** wants to try and fight me, he better understand that I will not stop.

[downshift]

I don't and never have gone looking for a fight. I always try not to fight. But if some **** wants to try and fight me, he better understand that I will not stop.

i think that explains your sense of thinking yashin. Do you mean to tell me that you will gladly take someones life if they hit you. No matter what fight i got/get into i can never take someones life. Please for you lack of experience can you not make posts like this.

[yashin]

If he wants to fight me, he's giving up any rights he has. I will beat him to within an inch of his life and if necessary kill him.

Listen, I am a very non-violent person, to the point where some people have said I'm too soft. I see figthing on as the very last resort, but you can only push me so far till I push back.

If he came looking for a fight, all bets are off.

Plus this kid doesn't exactly sound like an upstanding member of society, we'd be better off without him.

Please note that I am saying this only if it is not my fault, if someone goes looking for a fight that is different. But if someone comes after me..

[honda_eater]

sometimes you just gotta shoot somebody cuz they punched you...you yashin are a smart man

[yashin]

No, I didn't say that. I said that if they come after you again, With this black dude, you have to protect yourself. Using reasonable force.

Now if this guy comes back with a bat, he is legally giving up his right to safety, if I were to defend myself with adeqaute means, i.e shooting him, then I am legall and morally in the right.

What the hell is wrong with fighting back?

[honda_eater]

"1. get some weapons, ski masks and big friends.follow the kid around , when he's alone, preferably at night, jump him and steal his wallet, to make it look like you're robbing him, when he fights back stab/beat him down hard, leave him to die"

"Please note that I am saying this only if it is not my fault, if someone goes looking for a fight that is different. But if someone comes after me.."

so by getting skimasks and weapons and following him around at night isnt looking for a fight

[downshift]

There aint nothing wrong with fighting back Yashin. It just becomes a problem when you wanna take a life. Maybe im just reading to into this but is this wrong......"with this black dude you have to protect yourself".Yashin you say you are morally right for shooting sombody....I am starting to dislike the way you think.

[yashin]

You are missing the point. If this kid started the fight. He gets whats coming to him.

I'm not about to stalk somebody for no reason. But if someone attacks you, you should attack them back.

[Nathan]

Yashin, you remind me of my soon to be gone roommate...one crazy mother ****er.

[yashin]

If he comes trying to kill me, I can use necessary means to protect myself. If he huge dude comes at me with a bat, there is a good chance he could kill me, so in this situation you are allowed to defen yourself, the outcome is out of your hands. If he dies that's his own fault for coming after me.

You would be morally and legally right to kill him, because he is threathing your life.

[yashin]

I am not crazy. I am not violent. I am against war. I am against those UFC matches. I am against gangs. I am against all of these things. I am against fighting in hockey.

But if I am minding my own business and someone tries to attack me, why should I not defend myself.

[honda_eater]

had he beat the kids *** on the spot that would be one thing. but at this point your not so much defending yourself as retaliating

[downshift]

Yashin you either 1) dont know how to fightor2) crazy enough to take someones life because they fought you

True....fighting and violence is pointless but defending yourself isnt. But....hey we will see how you like it when someone can say that they would easily take you life. 1

[Nathan]

Yashin, I can almost guarantee you that if you are standing somewhere and someone comes towards you with a baseball bat and you shoot them, you WILL go to jail. The main reason is that you are obligated to attempt to remove yourself from the situation, if you cannot do that and your life is in immediate danger, you MIGHT be justified in shooting them. Basically, this means that if you can run, you'd damn well better, shooting someone should be an absolute last resort. Also, I detest your desire to get several friends AND weapons to go take care of business, if you cant handle a fight without weapons, then you shouldn't start it in the first place. Every person I've ever met who has pulled a weapon or would not hesitate to use one has been a complete ***** without it. Are you a *****? Also, if you did shoot the person, its possible they could dig into why this person was coming after you with a baseball bat and learn that you had provoked it earlier etc. At which point they wont like you very much and its quite likely you'll be in some serious trouble.

[[Zero-S]]

Don't leave home without it

I carry this thing with me everywhere I go. Would I ever use it if given another option? No. I know that I could take a life with it and am very conscious/adamant about using it.

(What I'm trying to say is that I'd rather leave something like that as a last resort, because I know I can fight pretty damn well without it)

[downshift]

I detest your desire to get several friends AND weapons to go take care of business, if you cant handle a fight without weapons, then you shouldn't start it in the first place. Every person I've ever met who has pulled a weapon or would not hesitate to use one has been a complete ***** without it. Are you a *****?

Well said Nathan...i like the way you think. And like what zero was saying....even though you have access to weapons it doesnt mean you have to use it. Fists first, and if you dont know how to use them.....just run.

[yashin]

Here is what I'm saying.

1. This kid went out of his way to fight-at this point he gets what's coming to him

2. the kid didn't have the balls to fight himself, so he went and got someone else

-at this point, he has violated the basic rules of fighting, he has gotten someone else to do the fighting for himthis means that he is alloweing you to also violate these rules as well, he crossed the line I didn't so at this point I am free to use any means necessary to defend myself

If the kid had tried to fight himself, with no weapons or anything else, then my using weapons/ others would not be justified, but he crossed the line, not me.

If this guy jumps you with a baseball bat, you are allowed to defend yourself with necessary force. One blow to the head with a baseball bat and you are dead. Look at his lip, if this guy is as big as he says he is, a solid blow to the side of the head would have killed him.

[[Zero-S]]

Well said Nathan...i like the way you think. And like what zero was saying....even though you have access to weapons it doesnt mean you have to use it. Fists first, and if you dont know how to use them.....just run.

You've got me pretty much down, except the fact that if its gotten as bad as the situation in this post, I will not run. If need be I would use my asp, but I won't run from a fight. (Unless I KNOW I'm severely outclassed)

[andrave]

if it came down to my death or killing someone else I generally see no difference. But once I had a family I would probably keep a small arm around the house for defense.

[[Zero-S]]

Taking a life is a very touchy subject, and the situtation should be well assesed before even thinking about something like that. Taking a life in a situation such as this would be totally uncalled for.

Now see if it was the life of an assailant vs. that of someone I love, I'll do what I have to do.

[Nathan]

You've got me pretty much down, except the fact that if its gotten as bad as the situation in this post, I will not run. If need be I would use my asp, but I won't run from a fight. (Unless I KNOW I'm severely outclassed)

There's a big difference in your asp (or my knife, which is ALWAYS on my hip) and a gun though. I wont run either unless there's some extremely unusual circumstances but when it comes to shooting someone in self defense, you are generally expected to do anything possible to get out of the situation before shooting someone.

[yashin]

So if this came out you with a bat what would you do?

I said to get the gun so that if they came back and tried to hurt you with weapons, which they most likely will, you could defend yourself.

[[Zero-S]]

There's a big difference in your asp (or my knife, which is ALWAYS on my hip) and a gun though. I wont run either unless there's some extremely unusual circumstances but when it comes to shooting someone in self defense, you are generally expected to do anything possible to get out of the situation before shooting someone.

Exactly.

So if this came out you with a bat what would you do?

I said to get the gun so that if they came back and tried to hurt you with weapons, which they most likely will, you could defend yourself.

A gun is not necessary for self defense.

[crzycav86]

Wow! Look at me! I'm a hero! I can kill people without blinking an eye! I'm super-macho and all the babes love it!

....

that's kinda the vibe I'm getting from some of you guys who say they wouldn't mind taking another's life...

OT: Any of you guys ever been in a gun-fight during a war.. or some **** like that?(I'm not saying I have.. but I want to know if there's some correlation there)....

[yashin]

I don't want to kill anybody. I wouldn't do any of this unless it was necessary. But if there's no choice you do what you have to.

You all are missing my point.

If somebody else were to place you in a situation where you could easily die, then you are justified in fighting back, if that means that the aggressor is to die from this altercation, then it is not your fault. If the other person dies, then they brought it upon themselves.

[downshift]

As strange as it is i am actually starting to see your point Yashin. The only mistake you made in making that point is the fact that you would take their life. Regardless if someone brings death upon themselves i believe that there is very few people that WANTS to die. And the phrase best said by ZERO is "a gun is not necessary for self defense". I always prefer somethin a lil more hand to hand, like a blade.