Hyundai Genesis coupe

[tollboothwilley]

Sabbasaun...are you Korean?

I've NEVER heard anybody stand up for Korean cars like you are, except for when I lived in Korea. Even then, most Koreans will openly admit that Japanese cars are much better. (But Koreans & Japanese hate each other)

Every Korean car that I have seen, although I haven't seen the Genesis up close, was put together with very cheap parts. Parts that should have been there were "missing" from factory. To fix some issues you have to pay for parts. This was while the car was under warranty. I personally do not think that the Hyundai warranty is anywhere close to the best warranty in the car industry, it just happens to last to 100K.

[zozoka1212]

hahahahah you are one angry man. Don't forget this is just a car forum. LOL Don't forget breath.. breath...LOL



I try to answer shorter than you. Don't feel like typing that much crap.Not sure if it will be shorter.

All you have is a picture to go by with a car and no airbag going off. I see a picture with a deformed steering wheel which indicates someone wasn't wearing a seatbelt, which would potentially explain WHY the airbag didn't go off. Also the cabin is in tact so it's not like the steering wheel got pushed into the occupants face.

I don't want to guess with the accident. How it happened. After all it is just guessing. What we know is airbags did not deploy. FACT.

On all newer cars, air bags will NOT deploy if someone is not wearing a seat belt. It's the same thought as if a person is sitting too close to the steering wheel.

Wrong Infiniti will deploy the airbag with or without seatbelt. Do I fail again? LOL

Kind of funny this was brought up... but not so much....

What lead me to the purchase of the Infinit G35 was the death of my 01 Hyundai XG300 which I loved.Any way I was hit head on and I would estimate both cars were going 20mph.. long story, but my airbags did not deploy.... strange I wonder if this is a trend within Hyundai...

Also I guess not a first time hah as you can see that on his post he had the same problem. What a co incident don't you think?

Also I think I made a mistake I thought you'll be able to do couple of clicks on your own. I was wrong. I provided this site for you to see the safety features. I make it easy this time for you. If you open the site and see it says 1998 Sonata. Sorry 1998 Hyundai Sonata. You said the 98 hyundai sonata had side airbags as standard.See what it says for standard airbag? driver and passager. No side airbag. Hm.. wonder why. See I could be mistaken just like the magazine. That's why I asked you at the first place to provide the info instead of writing it. That's why you get this wrong too.Your grade See I could of put fail but I am nice. Misunderstand.

Wow dude you jump around a lot. In one sentence you went from a discussion about vehicle safety to a vehicles reliablility to recycling. Try to stay on topic. Your grade: Fail.

That's the best you can come back with? You had no answer so now trying to tell me I am jumping. I did post it so you can see why people don't buy hyundai. They try to get 300k out of the car. What they can with 8 out of 10 Civic. Now as I said befrore you can't do with most of the Hyundai.

I know I know I fail.. Again...

Did I say Hyundai was THE safest? Also did you even look at the links you provided? A lot of the Infinity car's on this list have NO data or only one data result, so how do you know they were safe cars? Other than the most recent cars you simply can't know because there's no data. What I do see though is alot of data from the Hyundai cars, and I see Hyundai steadily improving their safety record. To me that is a good thing. Free Tip: Try looking at your own links before trying to make a point about safety between manufactures. Your grade: FAIL+

Well I did look at it. And it looks great for Infiniti not such as good for HYundai. These are facts again. You said Hyundai builds one of the safest cars on the road. What I don't understand is why is there so many red,yellow and black. Could you explain?

But the scariest of all the death rate and the overall. Basically all red and black.

And again these are facts. But I know in your mind I failed. LOL

here is a newer link for you.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/1...print/

It is from October 15 and if you wonder yes it is from this year. Not last year.

As such I dont want to be seen like I'm trolling as I'm a Nissan owner myself and to be honest the G37 is a nice car, I truly feel that.. but is it $5,000 better or $10,000 then a Genesis Coupe in this economy? Each person is going to have to answer that for themselves.

No worries we like trolls here in the Great White North. We feed them. LOL

To finalize it. We don't know how much the US version of the Genesis coupe will be and what kind of options it will have with what kind of performance so we can't relate anything to it. We can't compare to any other cars. To a simple exchange rate the highest # is 27.5k without any other markups to come to the states and all other fees. I sure will looking forward to see numbers and see the reliability of the car. My guess would be 0-60 around 5.7 seconds and the 2l turbo 6.7 seconds. Also as I said before if you try to change the boost you are out of warranty from that point if anything goes wrong with your engine.

For their sake I hope it will be faster than that otherwise I will LMFAO if my heavy a$$ 4 door family hauler will be faster than that 2 door light weight sport coupe.

Maybe we can have another discussion after few years to see if they move the depriciation rate and safety rate higher than the previous models and years. Hope they will have more options too. Not just 2 models. Maybe AWD, convertible, etc, etc. For a simple reason if they will be able to keep the price lower for other cars it worth to me and probably a bunch of others. Hope they won't sit on the model for more than 2 years. Because Infiniti does not. They keep making better and better cars. They have major changes after 2 years and 4 years new car. At least that is the tendency. Hope it stays this way.

Oh and another thing. Does not killing me but some of the owners are sensitive to see the Infiniti mispelled. Like Infinity if you know what I mean. As I said I don't really care since my spelling and English isn't the best anyway. Not my first language.

Have a good day sir.

Just remeber it is a forum breath.... breath.... LOL

zozo


Modified by zozoka1212 at 10:28 PM 12/30/2008

[zozoka1212]

Sabbasaun...are you Korean?

I've NEVER heard anybody stand up for Korean cars like you are, except for when I lived in Korea. Even then, most Koreans will openly admit that Japanese cars are much better. (But Koreans & Japanese hate each other)

Every Korean car that I have seen, although I haven't seen the Genesis up close, was put together with very cheap parts. Parts that should have been there were "missing" from factory. To fix some issues you have to pay for parts. This was while the car was under warranty. I personally do not think that the Hyundai warranty is anywhere close to the best warranty in the car industry, it just happens to last to 100K.

I think he is. But could not care less. Doesn't matter anyways.

The other thing. That's wwhy hyundai has a bad reputation and they try to fix it. But just like telcoman had a ****ty 58 ford since he hates Ford and refuse to buy one. Do I blame it on him? No. They screwed up badly and he turned his head away. Exactly same thing with Hyundai.

Once you ended up with a lemon it is hard to forget. I know I would be same as Telco brother. Would never buy again.

zozo

[zozoka1212]

Sabbasaun...are you Korean?

I've NEVER heard anybody stand up for Korean cars like you are, except for when I lived in Korea. Even then, most Koreans will openly admit that Japanese cars are much better. (But Koreans & Japanese hate each other)

Every Korean car that I have seen, although I haven't seen the Genesis up close, was put together with very cheap parts. Parts that should have been there were "missing" from factory. To fix some issues you have to pay for parts. This was while the car was under warranty. I personally do not think that the Hyundai warranty is anywhere close to the best warranty in the car industry, it just happens to last to 100K.

So I think I know why he is so sensitive. LOL

http://genesisforums.org/chass....html

Look at poster #2.

LOL

Ahahahhaha now that is a FAIL.

zozo
Modified by zozoka1212 at 11:25 PM 12/30/2008

[sabbasaun]

No worries... not seeing you as a troll at all.You've remained respectful.Zozo is always up for a good lil debate anyways.Carry on.

Thanks I appreciate it. As for the everyone else I apologize if I came off sounding "Angry", I'm really not! Besides how can you tell someone's emotion by a couple of forum posts anyways? I'm just an enthusiast like all of you with a passion for cars and I like a good discussion.

So I think I know why he is so sensitive. LOLhttp://genesisforums.org/chass....htmlLook at poster #2.LOL hahahhaha now that is a FAIL.zozoModified by zozoka1212 at 11:25 PM 12/30/2008

It's funny you bring up the site I'm an admin of, i should actually thank you for it, it's kind of like free publicity. I'm sensitive about it? No, as I own other cars that I'm just as passionate over like my Titan. So why is it "Fail" again? If anything it should let you know I probably know a little something about these cars. I can honestly talk about the car because I've not only seen it, I've RIDDEN in it, covered it at various events like SEMA (I have some nice Nissan SEMA pics if anyone is interested), seen first hand how it handles and performs. talked to the Engineers who helped design and build the car etc. There are not too many other people that can say that they've done all these things. Someone like yourself at the most you've read a few articles, maybe you've seen it at an autoshow. Wow hold me back! Yet you seem to know so much about it, you have such a negative look on the car but NOTHING to base it off of. Now to me that's the real FAIL. lol

Just for the record, I'm not trying to brag nor I'm I an expert but I have seen more than the average person regarding this Genesis, compared to someone like ZoZo who has just read a couple of previews. I'm not loyal to Hyundai as is evident that I don't even own one yet but I do own a Nissan (and other Japanese vehicles). I like to think for the most part I'm balanced in my views. I think I have shown that in my posts. Personaly I usually will buy the best vehicle in a class that is also a good value. I'm not going to discount a car because of a single crash picture taken over in Korea or what a manufacture was like 10-20 years ago. If everyone did that no one would be buying Honda's today as they were crap when they first hit the States in the 70's. I'll give ZoZo props though, he obviously has some mad Google skills because he was able to finds a post here and there on Autoblog.

On a serious note if anyone is curious there are some good technical docs and specifications over there about the cars. Things like engine and transmission specs. What some of you may or may not know, the Theta 4 cylinder has many similarities to the 4b11t used in the EVO and the turbo World engine used in the SRT-4. It looks like the Hyundai engine will be just as stout:http://genesisforums.org/?pageid=techdocs

Here's a dyno run of a slightly modded 4 cyl. Mods include exhaust manifold and upgraded turbo (GT30R) and exhaust.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g

The fact is Hyundai is not the same company as it was compared to when it first started selling cars in the mid 80's. You never would have seen me in one a few years ago but I've reconsidered as Hyundai's quality has improved greatly. I would buy one over a Domestic today and I think they are on par with the Japenese now.

Also for those who are guessing what my ethnic background is because I like a Hyundai (that I don't own, yet), here is a list of cars I do own: Honda Accord, Toyota Sienna, Chevy S-10, and lastly my Nissan Titan. Seeing as I own mostly Japenese cars does that make me 3/4 Japanese and 1/4 Americaneze? lol

[zozoka1212]

You fail because you go and sign up everywhere just to try to argue on a car you never own. Just do a search on yourself. You comment everywhere about Genesis. That is sick my friend. There is some differneces between car enthusiastic or sick. To me anyways. To go as far as advertising your hmm.. craziness. be my free guest.

To call a manifold and upgraded turbo slightly moded is kind of insane. But whatever makes you happy.

I might even sign up at your forum. I actually would sign up at the

http://genesisowners.com/hyund...x.php

They have more members and more usefull info for Car enthusiastics.

Ha ve a nice love.

zozo

[G_whizz]

Wow Zozo... you on the warpath??



Great new sig pic BTW.

[suby01]

zozo+sabbasaun=me

[tollboothwilley]

I thought you were Korean because of your name not because of the vehicles you own.

We're not saying its not a good vehicle, this thread is simply stating that (just like in the past few years) Hyundai is trying to be on par with quality but they are not.

Just to be clear, I'm not going to ever go out and flame on some other forum. That seems very juvenile and utterly pathetic.

We like to hear different views about things on this forum but this sounds like you are advertising for Hyundai. You defend them tooth and nail for what reason?

[zozoka1212]

Wow Zozo... you on the warpath??



Great new sig pic BTW.

Nice eh. Grant made it for me yesterday.

Grant rocks!!!!!

zozo

[zozoka1212]

zozo+sabbasaun=me

LOL

I thought you were Korean because of your name not because of the vehicles you own.

We're not saying its not a good vehicle, this thread is simply stating that (just like in the past few years) Hyundai is trying to be on par with quality but they are not.

Just to be clear, I'm not going to ever go out and flame on some other forum. That seems very juvenile and utterly pathetic.

We like to hear different views about things on this forum but this sounds like you are advertising for Hyundai. You defend them tooth and nail for what reason?

His reason he might own one in a few months and want to feel good about oning a Hyundai.

zozo

[zozoka1212]

zozo+sabbasaun=me

LOL

I thought you were Korean because of your name not because of the vehicles you own.

We're not saying its not a good vehicle, this thread is simply stating that (just like in the past few years) Hyundai is trying to be on par with quality but they are not.

Just to be clear, I'm not going to ever go out and flame on some other forum. That seems very juvenile and utterly pathetic.

We like to hear different views about things on this forum but this sounds like you are advertising for Hyundai. You defend them tooth and nail for what reason?

He might own his Hyundai soon and he likes to defend Hyundai all over the world that's all. I think it is far from healthy entusiastic and not on the good way.

zozo

[sabbasaun]

You fail because you go and sign up everywhere just to try to argue on a car you never own. Just do a search on yourself. You comment everywhere about Genesis. That is sick my friend. There is some differneces between car enthusiastic or sick. To me anyways. To go as far as advertising your hmm.. craziness. be my free guest.

OMG see guys, Zozo, mad Google skillz, doing a search on moi. Should I be afraid that I have a stalker? To set the record straight I signed up on Nicoclub for my Titan not specifically this forum. I just happend to come along this thread. I also didn't post to argue, i have provided facts about this car regarding what may have happend regarding the airbag and I feel I did it in a relativly respectful manner. As far as calling me crazy and sick, that's alittle like the pot calling the kettle black. Too bad you have to resort to attacking someone's character, but ohwell just makes your posts less credible. Also I'm not the one with 3900+ posts with almost a 6 post per day average. Are you an Mod or admin? And you call me "crazy" and "insane"?. lol

Quote »To call a manifold and upgraded turbo slightly moded is kind of insane. But whatever makes you happy. [/quote] I love how you just pick at unrelated things in someone's post just to point them out and argue. I am starting to see why you have such a high post count. For the record, By slightly modded I mean the car is still running the stock internals and stock head. Doing any mods to the internals is what I would call a major mod. The point of me showing the video was that for doing minor mods you can make big power even from the 4 cylinder. You can do them in your garage with basic tools. Yes it is a little more involved than slapping on a K&N filter but in respect to putting together a built engine, it's not too bad.

Quote »I might even sign up at your forum. I actually would sign up at thehttp://genesisowners.com/hyund...x.phpThey have more members and more usefull info for Car enthusiastics.Ha ve a nice love.zozo[/quote]If you sign up or not doesnt matter to me. But if all you care about is how many members are on a site than please goto other forums. lol I personally care more about the community as a whole so as long as these new cars get some attention I think it's a good thing. I will say though that most of the other Genesis sites like Genesisowners has been around a bit longer than the forum I am on (Genesisforums.org) and one of the reasons they have larger memberships. However I would say that ours is a fast growing one and we have already have big vendor support compared to the others even though we've only been around since Sept. '09. Some of our vendors are well known like Buschur Racing, Vivid Racing, and Real Tune Racing. We're already getting some great info and help from these guys and things you won't see anywhere else.

[sabbasaun]

I thought you were Korean because of your name not because of the vehicles you own.

I see got it, i misunderstood your post. My apologies.

Quote »We're not saying its not a good vehicle, this thread is simply stating that (just like in the past few years) Hyundai is trying to be on par with quality but they are not.[/quote] I see your points thanks.

Quote »Just to be clear, I'm not going to ever go out and flame on some other forum. That seems very juvenile and utterly pathetic.

We like to hear different views about things on this forum but this sounds like you are advertising for Hyundai. You defend them tooth and nail for what reason?[/quote]I'm just defending my statements in my post not Hyundai specifically. I am not adverising for Hyundai, if I was you'd see the forum that I admin for in my sig. and a big Hyundai logo. As such you all didn't even know I belonged to a Hyundai site until Zozo brings it up (again, very stalkerish on Zozo's part, he apparantly has searched the world for all of my posts). If I sound like i'm a Hyundai commercial I again apologize, but I think you can see from my posts that I've provided good first hand knowledge or information or what I like to call facts, to back up my statements, not just some random tirade that Hyundai is superior to Infiniti.

[zozoka1212]

LOL I pissed you off. LOL

Nice.

Lets summ it up. You told us Hyundai is one of the safest car right now on the market. When I provided informations with website it show otherwise. You try to say it has missing information about Infiniti. It won't change the thing the websites with Crash tests shows differently even with the newer models past 2000.

You said Hyundai had the sonata with sideairbag standard since 1998. Well I provided info proving it otherwise. You became quitew about it and tried to put fail everywhere. I smiled I put one fail back you get pissy.LOL I lioked it tho.

You said it has good built quality since 2001 and safer than most of the Japanese well I provided a website with reviews and it showed otherwise. You did not provide anything you just kept saying Hyundai is better.

Stock vs stock G coupe, sedan > Hyundai Genesis

If we enter a moded cars world might as well just compare to an 8 second Honda civic. no matter what you have if you have he money you can upgrade to a fast car.

Don't forget upgraded turbo = No warranty for Genesis.

If you sign up or not doesnt matter to me. But if all you care about is how many members are on a site than please goto other forums. lol I personally care more about the community as a whole so as long as these new cars get some attention I think it's a good thing.

I guess you care about the numbers too. Since you advertising the site in every post ha.If you want I can even change the title for the thread to reliability of the Hyundai Genesis to getmore attention. How about that. More people can google it. Tell you brutal honestly. This thread won't give much good credit to Hyudai. Since We still have no evidences of why it did not deploy the airbags. But we have facts it did not. That is not a good sign.Another member who owned a Hyundai with the same problem. Got in accident and did not deploy the airbag. Had no answer for that either from you.

We can keep gonig on with this and get further in and you going to look even less credible as an Adm of the site you should of been able to pull all the infos on those cars I asked for. Strange isn't it. If you want we can go and make it more interesting. You have to care about your image if you want to have a successfull sitte as an administrator. So far this theread a proof of the opposite.

Thanks for the info about 6 posts a day. Last time I checked it it was only 5. If you go with this line as an administrator that is not a good sign either. Personally I don't care you can call me post whore fine by me. Don't forget you insult some other members here with same posting/day as I have. That is another bad thing from an administrator.

Gladly waiting for reply. Not sure if I'll have time today. Since I have family coming home soon.

Happy New Year

zozo

[tollboothwilley]

I'm just defending my statements in my post not Hyundai specifically. I am not adverising for Hyundai, if I was you'd see the forum that I admin for in my sig. and a big Hyundai logo. As such you all didn't even know I belonged to a Hyundai site until Zozo brings it up (again, very stalkerish on Zozo's part, he apparantly has searched the world for all of my posts). If I sound like i'm a Hyundai commercial I again apologize, but I think you can see from my posts that I've provided good first hand knowledge or information or what I like to call facts, to back up my statements, not just some random tirade that Hyundai is superior to Infiniti.

I just think that you jumped into this forum because the word Genesis came up... For some reason you want to defend Hyundai when CLEARLY none of us care much for Hyundai and find INFINITI to be far superior in build quality. If you don't agree with that, then you are OBLIVIOUS to the history of both of these companies and their track records.

[suby01]

ding ding

in the right corner zozo with superior infiniti awd super awesome machine.

VS

in the left corner sabbasaun with some hyundee thing.

[Jacko3]

Zozo:

Well said. Man, you got some really mad Google skills. I am proud of you. Maybe in a few weeks I will go to a Hyundai delarship to test drive a car and then do a write up. Maybe!!!

[Jacko3]

Hey guys saw this post and wanted to clear up a few things about the Genesis Coupe and the Genesis Coupe accident you all are talking about:

Firstly, the driver of this car was not wearing a seat belt. On all newer cars, air bags will NOT deploy if someone is not wearing a seat belt. It's the same thought as if a person is sitting too close to the steering wheel. This is what happened to this car, simple as that.

Secondly, Hyundai builds some of the safest cars on the road today. They were one of the first manufactures to offer front, side and curtain bags as STANDARD equipment, not as options. They did this before Honda, Toyota, and Nissan did it.

Thirdly, I know you guys are proud of your Nissans just as I am proud of mine but I am willing to bet that most of you probably have not even seen this car in person or have ever ridden in the Genesis Coupe in person to make any quantifiable statements about the quality or performance of this car. I am not an expert but I have seen in person this car and was able to take a ride in it. The Genesis Coupe is a VERY well built car and from what I have witnessed in person it performs on par with a G37 and does it at a lower price. Seriously, this car is the real deal.

Now I'm not trying to convince you to go out and buy a Genesis Coupe or anything like that. Just maybe have an open mind and realize although this car is not Japanese it does not mean its going to be a bad car. As for me, I'm not going to have any problem parking this car next to my Titan.

I am not a master mechanic but why would an airbag not deploy without seatbelts? What if the seat belt is off, and then the airbag does not deploy, don't you think the driver will fly through the window and die a horrible death? I see your logic, but I think the engineers of cars would rather reduce the risk of litigation, by ensuring that the airbag WILL deploy under all conditions, especially now that many luxury and street cars have some really mad power and torque behind them.

Maybe Hyundai did offer a soup of airbag saftey devices, but the website and topic in question, shows that the airbag did not deploy. So, with all that experience that hyundai has, why did their airbag not deployed, then??? Your seat belt theory will not cut here as it is getting old.

So you really beleive the Genesis is on par with a G-35 or a G-37??? Have you ever driven a G-35 or a G-37 in a spirited way at all in your existence? Do you realy beleive the genesis can withstand the abuse the G-35 and G-37 handle on a daily basis and stil make it to 100,000 miles??? Not one single person i know in this forum drives their G-35 Coupe or G-37 like a human being--except for Telcoman. And yet, many have had their cars well beyond 30K without issues, other than small annoying manufacturing defects which rarely affect driveability. So, I am not sure about the reliability aspect of your beleif in the Genesis. One day, i shall take a Genesis for a testdrive and flog it the way i flog my G. Byt he way, the G loves to stay above 5,000 RPM all day. I am not saying the Genesis cannot do the same but then, will it make it to 100,000 miles after such hard useage?

Time will tell how good the genesis really is. Maybe it is a good car, and again, maybe it is not. Take time and drive a 350Z, a G-35 or a G-37, and you will be splendidly surprised at what they can do on a street and on a track.

[sabbasaun]

I just think that you jumped into this forum because the word Genesis came up... For some reason you want to defend Hyundai when CLEARLY none of us care much for Hyundai and find INFINITI to be far superior in build quality. If you don't agree with that, then you are OBLIVIOUS to the history of both of these companies and their track records.

This is how silly your comment is: I have NEVER questioned Infiniti build quality in any of my posts. Maybe you went on a Lexus forum or something and are having some kind of Post-traumatic stress disorder relapse, I dunno but no where did I question build quality. Even I will agree that Hyundai's have most been mostly known for econoboxes until recently with their Genesis line and their newer cars. Very interesting. Now that I think about it I find it humorious you feel you have to defend Infiniti build quality to Hyundai's. That's comedy right there!
Modified by sabbasaun at 1:32 PM 12/31/2008

[sabbasaun]

I am not a master mechanic but why would an airbag not deploy without seatbelts? What if the seat belt is off, and then the airbag does not deploy, don't you think the driver will fly through the window and die a horrible death? I see your logic, but I think the engineers of cars would rather reduce the risk of litigation, by ensuring that the airbag WILL deploy under all conditions, especially now that many luxury and street cars have some really mad power and torque behind them.

Maybe Hyundai did offer a soup of airbag saftey devices, but the website and topic in question, shows that the airbag did not deploy. So, with all that experience that hyundai has, why did their airbag not deployed, then??? Your seat belt theory will not cut here as it is getting old.

I see your points and I'm not an expert either and don't have all the answers. But think about this, the concept of airbags is to supplement not replace seat belts. There are studies that prove airbags when not used with a seatbelt can cause more damage because the safe distance between a person and airbag deployment is not longer there. Also an airbag is not going to stop you from flying around in violent accident, a seat belt will. If someone were to sue because an airbag did not go off and they were not wearing a seat belt (data which is recorded in the black boxes these days), all any manufacture has to point out that the "airbags are secondary systems, not primary. Air bags work best in conjunction with a seat belt." Case closed.

Quote »So you really beleive the Genesis is on par with a G-35 or a G-37??? Have you ever driven a G-35 or a G-37 in a spirited way at all in your existence? Do you realy beleive the genesis can withstand the abuse the G-35 and G-37 handle on a daily basis and stil make it to 100,000 miles??? Not one single person i know in this forum drives their G-35 Coupe or G-37 like a human being--except for Telcoman. And yet, many have had their cars well beyond 30K without issues, other than small annoying manufacturing defects which rarely affect driveability. So, I am not sure about the reliability aspect of your beleif in the Genesis. One day, i shall take a Genesis for a testdrive and flog it the way i flog my G. Byt he way, the G loves to stay above 5,000 RPM all day. I am not saying the Genesis cannot do the same but then, will it make it to 100,000 miles after such hard useage?[/quote]I don't own a G35/37 so I can't and won't claim to know how they drive on a daily basis but I'm familiar with them. I do have friends who have them, ridden in them and they ARE nice cars. There are guys in my car club I belong to who I autocross with that race their Coupes in. Definately nice handling cars, I've never disputed that. As far as reliability, we will see what happens there compared to the Genesis Coupe. As such even some of Infiniti past cars don't get that great of reliability reviews, compared to say Lexus. JD Power only gave the 2007 G series a 6 out of ten. Lexus' was 10's. Ohwell, my opinion from what i have seen, as a total package I do believe the Genesis is on par and/or very close to a G37 and you can get it for less money. Isn't that the line that Infiniti owners use when they compare to say a BMW? Hmmm like you said, time will tell.

[sabbasaun]

He might own his Hyundai soon and he likes to defend Hyundai all over the world that's all. I think it is far from healthy entusiastic and not on the good way.zozo

And stalking someone over the internet, finding out where they post is healthy? Or is that just enthusiasm? LOL I'd rather be "unheathly" about a car then be known as an Internet stalker. To go that far for someone you don't even know sounds pretty unhealthy to me. You will now be known to me as John Warnock Hinckley aka Zozoka1212.

I think I'll write about this in my blog and then you can sign up and leave comments and send me email.
Modified by sabbasaun at 2:38 PM 12/31/2008

[Jacko3]

Let me put it this way, if you ain't driving a Lexus SC series or an IS-series, you ain't pushing the car. Thus, a Lexus is generally more luxury than it is sports. Hence the reliability ratings it gets. I maybe wrong, but I have never seen any Lexus driver, other than those with the IS and SC series pushing their car the way Infiniti G-35, Nissan 350Z, M3, Mitsubish EVO, WRX Sti, Chevy Cobalt SS drivers push their cars routinely. The last time i came across a Lexus owner pushing their car hard was when I went up against a hybrid LS 460 one interesting evening. Other than that, I am still waiting for Lexus drivers to push their cars so that we can see how reliable they really are. Of course, we have been at it with the beemers for ages---they love the G as much as G-owners love the beeemers--its a love hate relationship.

[zozoka1212]

LOL good one Jacko. Well said.

sabbasaunLOL you will get a heart attack front of the screen soon. Why are you so pissy about we fund out who you are? Unless you did not want it. You should know something if you post on the Internet it will follow you for long long time. If you don't want people to see you doing it. Either don't do it or get another user name. See I did not get pissy about you posted how many times I post each days.I could say how mad skillz you got and stalking bla bla bla. I won't since I could not care less.

Not sure how much people skill you got and how well you can read people from posts but does not take too much skill to see you are unsure,angry,.

Unsure you seking others people's approval of your post... Like OMG see guys, Zozo, mad Google skillz There are few others.

Angry well it is almost every second sentenses.

I won't sign up to that forum. First I don't own Hyundai. Second I don't plan to own Hyundai and try to find more info.

Anyways you look like keep missing the point. You are here to defend Hyundai so be it. So I ask the same questions again see if you actually will answer now. Since it has been 2 days you go around it.

You said 1998 Sonata came with standard side airbags. I provided link to prove it otherwise. So any info you can provide?

yes or no. If yes link please.

If no sorry is always a good word.

You told us Hyundai is one of the safest car right now on the market. When I provided informations with website it show otherwise. You try to say it has missing information about Infiniti. It won't change the thing the websites with Crash tests shows differently even with the newer models past 2000 Hyundai has huge issues with safety.Any info you can provide.

Yes or no . If yes link please

You said it has good built quality since 2001 and safer than most of the Japanese well I provided a website with reviews and it showed otherwise. You did not provide anything you just kept saying Hyundai is better.

yes or no If yes please provide link.

If no sorry is always a good word.

Lets try to stay on the topic now see if you actually can provide some good info. I give you a chance here to provide the info. Are you going to do it or not going to post or going off the track again?

Any info?

zozo