Hyundai Genesis coupe

[zozoka1212]

Found more pictures of proof the car had airbags.





zozo

[awdjdmtalon]

I just took a good look at the link that was posted.

The driver seat is pretty close to the steering wheel.

Subaru has a sensor on the driver seat track to tell the airbag system how close you are to the wheel. I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think it is part of the "NEXT" generation airbags that cars have now. These systems are very smart. And it MAY be that this sensor system is there to prevent the aitbag from deploying and crushing the driver who is sitting too close to the wheel. IF that is the case then the airbag system worked properly.

Second. Almost all new cars have a passanger detection system. This system will not turn on the passanger airbag and will limit the force it deploys at based on the weight of the passanger. So if noone was in the passanger seat. No deployment.

Third. Airbag systems are designed to read and detect several conditions. Speed, angle of impact, ect. to determine which if any bags to deploy.

[zozoka1212]

Maybe you need a Mercedes to get it deployed even if it is granny in the way at the speedf 0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...dex=7

zozo

[cheapazz]

This'll make ya'll laugh.......hopefully......One of my good freinds has a Santa Fe, loves the car and swears....SWEARS....it has the same 3.5L motor as my G.

[zozoka1212]

^LOL

AWD it is possible.Not sure about the first but I know the second generation G had a sensor even if you are not buckled up deployes but differently than if you are buckled up. Most likely softer.

zozo

[Sentientbydesign]

This'll make ya'll laugh.......hopefully......One of my good freinds has a Santa Fe, loves the car and swears....SWEARS....it has the same 3.5L motor as my G.

You've got to be kidding me!!!

Hear ye! Hear ye! The hyundai santa fe has the heart of the G!

[tollboothwilley]

You should ask to see his engine. You'd know right away.

I don't think that Nissan would sell their engine to Hyundai

Koreans would just steal the design and call it their own. Thats what they do with everything...

[zozoka1212]

Just like the G. LOL

zozo

[tollboothwilley]

LOL

ya....that EXACTLY what our engines look like

oh wait, nope, thats not the VQ

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

Thank god the VQ is better! and the Infiniti's are betters cars

[Koolio]

BMW>Infiniti>Hyundai

BUT the interior on the Genesis looks better than both BMW and Infiniti.

[kboy79]

Actually,

You should ask to see his engine. You'd know right away.

I don't think that Nissan would sell their engine to Hyundai

Koreans would just steal the design and call it their own. Thats what they do with everything...

Actually, that's the Japanese motto.

[zozoka1212]

Japnese are class leading in so many different industries. Were they smart and invented it? No. Were they smart and bought the idea and used it? Yes.

They are the best paradigm shifters. They ready to take risks and lead and gain the most.

Look what happened to the SWiss watchmakers in 2 years. Look at the auto industry now. Look at the Computer machining industries. Leading by japanese.

zozo

[kboy79]

I agree.

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

That Japs are still kicking our a$$es all over the place

[zozoka1212]

My favorite one is the cocky watchmakers from switzerland. They laughed at the guy when he brough the quartz watch to the invention. Than the japs says oh yeah lets try it. The rest is history. I belieeve 2-3 years later there was only 1/3 watch makers in switzerland. Rest was unemployed.

You can see that everywhere. They got the ballz to try it and we all know the closest/longest time you sit to the fire more heat you get from it.

Other great thing they did is the Wii. I am not a gamer but that thing is fun. Once a month for me LOL. Instead of going in the war with playstation and xbox. They went in the different direction and scored big time. Instead of targeting 20% of the ages. Now they covered basically from 6 year old kid to granny. What a market they found.

zozo

[joe603]

BMW>Infiniti>Hyundai

BUT the interior on the Genesis looks better than both BMW and Infiniti.

You're opinion of course...personally I hate BMW styling.

[Cali 2 Balti G]

Just like the G. LOL

zozo

You guys are hilarious - the photo posted shows virtually nothing of the actual engine except where the air intake is (which is in a similiar place on the G). The photo posted shows a plastic engine COVER - just like when we pop our hoods - we are not looking at the engine - we are looking at the plastic engine cover.

[sabbasaun]

Hey guys saw this post and wanted to clear up a few things about the Genesis Coupe and the Genesis Coupe accident you all are talking about:

Firstly, the driver of this car was not wearing a seat belt. On all newer cars, air bags will NOT deploy if someone is not wearing a seat belt. It's the same thought as if a person is sitting too close to the steering wheel. This is what happened to this car, simple as that.

Secondly, Hyundai builds some of the safest cars on the road today. They were one of the first manufactures to offer front, side and curtain bags as STANDARD equipment, not as options. They did this before Honda, Toyota, and Nissan did it.

Thirdly, I know you guys are proud of your Nissans just as I am proud of mine but I am willing to bet that most of you probably have not even seen this car in person or have ever ridden in the Genesis Coupe in person to make any quantifiable statements about the quality or performance of this car. I am not an expert but I have seen in person this car and was able to take a ride in it. The Genesis Coupe is a VERY well built car and from what I have witnessed in person it performs on par with a G37 and does it at a lower price. Seriously, this car is the real deal.

Now I'm not trying to convince you to go out and buy a Genesis Coupe or anything like that. Just maybe have an open mind and realize although this car is not Japanese it does not mean its going to be a bad car. As for me, I'm not going to have any problem parking this car next to my Titan.

[zozoka1212]

Hey guys saw this post and wanted to clear up a few things about the Genesis Coupe and the Genesis Coupe accident you all are talking about:

Firstly, the driver of this car was not wearing a seat belt. On all newer cars, air bags will NOT deploy if someone is not wearing a seat belt. It's the same thought as if a person is sitting too close to the steering wheel. This is what happened to this car, simple as that.

How do you know this? Provide proof for this please. If not than that is just a speculation.

I guess you need to refresh your knowledge. Some of the new cars like the Infiniti from 07 have the 2 stage airbags. Which can detect you not wearing seatbelts and still deploy the airbag just lighter. Perhaps Hyundai needs to look into that if they are so advanvced in safety and want to compete with higher priced cars.

As we said this before. Hyundai screwed up big time in the last decade with so much crapy cars. Now their sale is suffering from that. If you try to change people's mind over this well good luck. They are the only one who can get blamed for their Sh_t. It only takes one bad experience to turn your back to the them. Now they are making huge improvemens. Will it help sure. Will this solve their problem with their reputation overnight. Absolutely not.

BTW the Hyundai being the first to offer standard side curtain airbags. Can you tell us where you get the info? I would love to see that. My information is a little different.

Good luck with the genesis. I know for sure my next car won't be genesis. There are couple of things why. The ownership eperience won't be the same as we have with Infiniti for awhile. Also the performance numbers are lower then Infiniti. Possible resale value lower(not sure since it is new).

Infiniti G35/37 5 star on depriciation value non of the Hyundai is there yet. Not even 4 star not even 3. ONLY 2 stars and 1 star. That is pretty said. BTW the Titan is there too.

Check this out.https://www.alg.com/DepreciationRatings

Zozo

[RED_DET]

25 MPH crashes shouldn't throw the airbags. I believe they aren't supposed to go off til 30 MPH +. This is because under 30 MPH the airbags can do more damage than good.

that information isn't accurate. A 25 or 30 mph impact is quite a substantial one. What if you were only going 15 and a car hit you going 40. The airbags are going to deploy. There are change in speeds involved in collisions that most people don't fully understand. Change in speeds occur in 1/10 of a second and hitting fixed objects are one of the worse collisions to have. I would say based on the damage to that Hyundai, there was quite a bit of speed involved and the passenger compartment held up well, especially for hitting fixed object. Here is some food for thought. Say you are driving down the road minding your own business at 45 mph and someone comes off a cross street and strikes the side of your vehicle. If the momentum brought by that vehicle can change your speed(momentum) in another direction and that change is greater than 30mph, which will occur in 1/10 of a sec, you will more than likely have fatal injuries. Seat belt restraints systems are not designed to withhold a change in speed or momentum of 40mph+ and why would they, your chances of survival @ a 30mph change in speed are slim to none.

[sabbasaun]

How do you know this? Provide proof for this please. If not than that is just a speculation.

How do I know that the driver was not wearing a seat belt? Firstly using basic deduction you can tell certain things from the pictures. 1) The cabin stayed together very well, there was very little cabin intrusion even on this offset type of a crash. This is something you want to see in a crash. 2) The steering wheel is deformed as if something hit it, like someone’s fore arm or face. Also if you are wearing a seatbelt with pre-tensioners you shouldn't come close to the steering wheel at all.. Secondly and more importantly, I was told by someone in Korea who knows the guy driving the car that he was not wearing his seatbelt. Remember airbags themselves do very little on their own and in many cases can do more harm than good. That’s why they are called SRS airbags. Supplemental Restraint System, they're designed to work with the primary restraint system which is the seatbelt.

Quote »I guess you need to refresh your knowledge. Some of the new cars like the Infiniti from 07 have the 2 stage airbags. Which can detect you not wearing seatbelts and still deploy the airbag just lighter. Perhaps Hyundai needs to look into that if they are so advanvced in safety and want to compete with higher priced cars. [/quote] You may want to do your own research. A 2-stage airbag means that the airbags can deploy Slower or Faster depending on the speed of a crash. In addition to having 2-stages an air bag will not deploy at all if the occupant is not wearing a seat belt and/or if no one is sitting in the seat or a small child is in the seat. The latter is part of what is called Occupant Detection and not part of the 2-stage system. You do not want an airbag deploying if you are not wearing a seat belt. It would potentially cause more harm than good.

Quote »As we said this before. Hyundai screwed up big time in the last decade with so much crapy cars. Now their sale is suffering from that. If you try to change people's mind over this well good luck. They are the only one who can get blamed for their Sh_t. It only takes one bad experience to turn your back to the them. Now they are making huge improvemens. Will it help sure. Will this solve their problem with their reputation overnight. Absolutely not.[/quote] You seem to think that Honda or Toyota or even Nissan came out of the box making great cars. In fact the Japanese manufactures had a very similar reputation to what Hyundai used to have when they first came to the States. The fact is Hyundai has taken great strides in improving their quality and reputation. The last decade I would say have been their best years. Of coarse people won’t have different perceptions overnight but it’s happening. You only have to read about some of their recent awards they have been either nominated for or have won.

Quote »BTW the Hyundai being the first to offer standard side curtain airbags. Can you tell us where you get the info? I would love to see that. My information is a little different.[/quote] Hyundai started offering front and side airbags as standard equipment in 1998 in the Sonatas. Many manufactures only included side airbags as additional options that you had to pay for or they were not even offered at all. For example do a comparison of a ’98 Hyundai Sonata to a ’98 Honda Accord or ’98 Camry. You could not get side airbags in the Accord and the Camry it was only available as an option in that year. The Elantra you could get side airbags as standard equip as early as 2001. Both the Civic and Corolla they were only available as options. Feel free to do a simple Google search or do your own comparison of cars at places like Edmunds. What information do you have to show otherwise?

Quote »Good luck with the genesis. I know for sure my next car won't be genesis. There are couple of things why. The ownership eperience won't be the same as we have with Infiniti for awhile. Also the performance numbers are lower then Infiniti. Possible resale value lower(not sure since it is new).

Infiniti G35/37 5 star on depriciation value non of the Hyundai is there yet. Not even 4 star not even 3. ONLY 2 stars and 1 star. That is pretty said. BTW the Titan is there too.

Check this out.https://www.alg.com/DepreciationRatings

Zozo[/quote]Thanks. Everyone has their own reasons for buying a vehicle. Personally I don’t really care about resale value as I don’t buy cars as investments and tend to keep my cars for a long time anyways. There are some other cars with low resale value that is in the same boat as my Titan like the BMW 7 Series, or the Lexus LS series or just about anything Mercedes and I think just about any truck in this economy has a crappy depreciation right now. No one is buying trucks.

That being said the performance of the Genesis Coupe will be similar to that of a G37 at a lower price and have a better warranty and the aftermarket is lining up to support the Turbo 4 which is great to see.


Modified by sabbasaun at 3:07 PM 12/27/2008

[zozoka1212]

How do I know that the driver was not wearing a seat belt? Firstly using basic deduction you can tell certain things from the pictures. 1) The cabin stayed together very well, there was very little cabin intrusion even on this offset type of a crash. This is something you want to see in a crash. 2) The steering wheel is deformed as if something hit it, like someone’s fore arm or face. Also if you are wearing a seatbelt with pre-tensioners you shouldn't come close to the steering wheel at all.. Secondly and more importantly, I was told by someone in Korea who knows the guy driving the car that he was not wearing his seatbelt. Remember airbags themselves do very little on their own and in many cases can do more harm than good. That’s why they are called SRS airbags. Supplemental Restraint System, they're designed to work with the primary restraint system which is the seatbelt.Modified by sabbasaun at 3:07 PM 12/27/2008

I was told by someone whoknows somebody who's neighbur best friend ..... You called that reliable source. I don't. Sorry

Also as I said before Infiniti g35 and g37 airbag have a special feature and it will deploy even if the driver did not buckle up . Just it will deploy differently.

You may want to do your own research. A 2-stage airbag means that the airbags can deploy Slower or Faster depending on the speed of a crash. In addition to having 2-stages an air bag will not deploy at all if the occupant is not wearing a seat belt and/or if no one is sitting in the seat or a small child is in the seat. The latter is part of what is called Occupant Detection and not part of the 2-stage system. You do not want an airbag deploying if you are not wearing a seat belt. It would potentially cause more harm than good.

You seem to think that Honda or Toyota or even Nissan came out of the box making great cars. In fact the Japanese manufactures had a very similar reputation to what Hyundai used to have when they first came to the States. The fact is Hyundai has taken great strides in improving their quality and reputation. The last decade I would say have been their best years.

Modified by sabbasaun at 3:07 PM 12/27/2008

You call the last decade the best of Hyundai? Maybe the last 2-3 years.

Here is the 2000 sonata review. http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai...31730Read those reviews. After those reviews sure I don't want to buy a Hyundai. These are the best build ones I think. Sonata should be upscaled. 7 years old.

Hyundai started offering front and side airbags as standard equipment in 1998 in the Sonatas. Many manufactures only included side airbags as additional options that you had to pay for or they were not even offered at all. For example do a comparison of a ’98 Hyundai Sonata to a ’98 Honda Accord or ’98 Camry. You could not get side airbags in the Accord and the Camry it was only available as an option in that year. The Elantra you could get side airbags as standard equip as early as 2001. Both the Civic and Corolla they were only available as options. Feel free to do a simple Google search or do your own comparison of cars at places like Edmunds. What information do you have to show otherwise?Modified by sabbasaun at 3:07 PM 12/27/2008

You stated before Hyundai was the first to offer side airbag as standard. No that was I believe Volvo 1999.

Check your word here

Secondly, Hyundai builds some of the safest cars on the road today. They were one of the first manufactures to offer front, side and curtain bags as STANDARD equipment, not as options.

http://www.auto123.com/en/hyun...pmentI don't think Honda and Toyota and Nissan was building the best and safest cars in 90"s but you can't argue the honda civic last for 300k no problem with constant abusing from young people. Where were most of the hyundai pony's after 100k? 1x1cube I guess ready to be recycled.

Oh yeah about the hyundai being the safest for the last 10 years well.

Here is a tool you should check out. They had statistics behind it too with all the injuries and everything.

http://www.crashtest.com/hyundai/ie.htmhere is Infiniti

http://www.crashtest.com/infiniti/ie.htm

Of course they are wrong hah.

That being said the performance of the Genesis Coupe will be similar to that of a G37 at a lower price and have a better warranty and the aftermarket is lining up to support the Turbo 4 which is great to see.

Modified by sabbasaun at 3:07 PM 12/27/2008

http://www.leftlanenews.com/hy....html

V6 3.8 engine will put out 310 hp and goes 0-60 in just under 6 second. Have you seen the G37 numbers(at 5 second) and the 370Z numbers(uder 5 second).

You not going to get much better wth the 2l turbo. And if you want to chip it there is your warranty.

zozo

[mjon3080]

Kind of funny this was brought up... but not so much....

What lead me to the purchase of the Infinit G35 was the death of my 01 Hyundai XG300 which I loved.Any way I was hit head on and I would estimate both cars were going 20mph.. long story, but my airbags did not deploy.... strange I wonder if this is a trend within Hyundai...

And yes I love my G35 ten times MORE!!!!!

[zozoka1212]

Wow that sucks. Glad you made it out good. Collision never good. Myself never been in accident. I've been witness for a few. Sometimes it can get messy. I have first aid certificate with CPR and everything. I had to help once only. 20/20 on head on is like hitting the wall by 40. That's quite a big hit. Any hadache you got next day?

zozo

[mjon3080]

Yeah I was leaning forward into a turn so my head actually hit the roof of my car... I guess I have strange driving habits..

Definatly had a headache for a couple days, not to mention the headache of being forced into buying a new car..

That was the first and hopefully only accident I have ever been in.

But on the up side I am loving driving my G..

Right now I have a FX35 loaner since my G is getting new tires.Bad *** car as well!! Although it drives a little stiffer than I would like, but really really nice!

[zozoka1212]

Glad you made it out ok.

I tried the FX before it is stiffer. You probably would like the EX more. It is softer a bit. Maybe a little too soft.

zozo

[suby01]

pole 1korean crap 0

[sabbasaun]

I was told by someone whoknows somebody who's neighbur best friend ..... You called that reliable source. I don't. Sorry

So what are you going by say differntly than my friend? All you have is a picture to go by with a car and no airbag going off. I see a picture with a deformed steering wheel which indicates someone wasn't wearing a seatbelt, which would potentially explain WHY the airbag didn't go off. Also the cabin is in tact so it's not like the steering wheel got pushed into the occupants face.

Quote »You stated before Hyundai was the first to offer side airbag as standard. No that was I believe Volvo 1999.Check your word here[/quote]HUH? How is a '99 Volvo before a '98 Sonata? ALso I I did not say Hyundai was THE first, just ONE of the first to offer STANDARD side airbags. They did it before Honda or Toyota, and apprantly before Volvo. You may want to check your own "word" LOL

Quote »I don't think Honda and Toyota and Nissan was building the best and safest cars in 90"s but you can't argue the honda civic last for 300k no problem with constant abusing from young people. Where were most of the hyundai pony's after 100k? 1x1cube I guess ready to be recycled. [/quote] Wow dude you jump around a lot. In one sentence you went from a discussion about vehicle safety to a vehicles reliablility to recycling. Try to stay on topic. Your grade: Fail.

Quote »Oh yeah about the hyundai being the safest for the last 10 years well.Here is a tool you should check out. They had statistics behind it too with all the injuries and everything.http://www.crashtest.com/hyundai/ie.htmhere is Infiniti http://www.crashtest.com/infiniti/ie.htmOf course they are wrong hah.[/quote] Did I say Hyundai was THE safest? Also did you even look at the links you provided? A lot of the Infinity car's on this list have NO data or only one data result, so how do you know they were safe cars? Other than the most recent cars you simply can't know because there's no data. What I do see though is alot of data from the Hyundai cars, and I see Hyundai steadily improving their safety record. To me that is a good thing. Free Tip: Try looking at your own links before trying to make a point about safety between manufactures. Your grade: FAIL+

Quote »http://www.leftlanenews.com/hy....html

V6 3.8 engine will put out 310 hp and goes 0-60 in just under 6 second. Have you seen the G37 numbers(at 5 second) and the 370Z numbers(uder 5 second).

You not going to get much better wth the 2l turbo. And if you want to chip it there is your warranty.

zozo

[/quote] OMG you dug up a 10 month old Genesis Coupe preview report, before the car was even being produced and before a production model was released to anyone. BRAVO! LOL

Honestly though the Genesis Coupe, we only can guestimatte what the actual times will be here in the States. However a fairly recent article http://www.carmiddleeast.com/a...pe/1/ reports an automatic equipped pre-production demo model, ripping off a 0-100km/h (that's 0-62mph) time of 5.9 seconds using regular gas so it made less HP than it oculd have (the car has tunes for both regular and premium).

I've read the Motortrend review where they got the 5.3 0-60 in the g37, and from my understanding of how MT tests their cars, it's not 100% accurate to real world as they use a rolling start. Other well known sources have shown in the 5.5-5.7 range for the G37 which I would tend to believe more.

Whether you like it or not, the Genesis Coupe and G37 are closer in many ways than some will admit. Well everything except for the price. As far as turbo, even though it doesn't make as much HP out of the box, it can be made to be quite fast and that's the whole point of having a tuner friendly platform. Plus it weighs about a ~100 lbs lesss than the V6 model. Doesn't the G37 Coupe weigh more than the Sedan? Also the aftermarket is supporting the Genesis Coupe in such a greater fashion than the Infinity or even the 370z it's not even funny. THere are already companies lined up to jump on the Genesis Coupe. It WILL be the next big car for the next 5+ years.

As such I dont want to be seen like I'm trolling as I'm a Nissan owner myself and to be honest the G37 is a nice car, I truly feel that.. but is it $5,000 better or $10,000 then a Genesis Coupe in this economy? Each person is going to have to answer that for themselves.

[G_whizz]

No worries... not seeing you as a troll at all.

You've remained respectful.

Zozo is always up for a good lil debate anyways.

Carry on.