How would you go about building a unibody from kaizo industries?

[Vandrel]

I read in Super Street that that last F&F movie's R34 was from Kaizo Industries and that Paul Walker now owns that car.

Anyone got his phone number or email? We'll ask him how the build quality is and how hard it was to register

There was more then 1 R34 used in the movie, more then 10 to be exact. They used GTT's and cloned them all to look like R34's. All of which were compliments of Kaizo for the movie.

[AZhitman]

no offense but i think his skyline would win..

No offense, but you haven't met my G.

Or seen me on track.

He's an actor. Not an enthusiast.

[jaebo]

Actually since my Kaizo r34 gt-r has a legally assigned U.S. vin number, is fully & legally registered (not with any kind o exemptions, I walked into my dmv handed them the docs & walked out 10 min later) it was literally a phone call to my insurance company (USAA) to get it fully insured, with no difference than if I had just registered a 2005 Ford Mustang GT. For the record it is a unibody meaning it is NOT a kit car and required me to find the drivetrain myself and have it installed as they don't come with them.

[jaebo]

You should research it more. They are actually fully legal as they are not Nissan Skylines, they are Kaizo Skylines and fully converted to meet DOT specs before importation. They are NOT kit cars and come with a U.S. issued vin number. I registered mine quite easily (about 10 min at the dmv) and insured mine even easier (a phone call to USAA). Be a hater if you want to but 99% of the info on this thread is speculation. Kaizo is legit (they get around the laws because of the mods to bring it up to U.S. spec, convert it to a unibody meaning no seperate frame, and it doesn't come with a drivetrain. As for quality, they have high standards and hate to burst the previous posters bubble are selling LIKE CRAZY and mine drives fantastic-never had a problem yet and were in 15,000 miles I've put on it to include a trip to Utah.) And to the person wondering about an s15, they do those as well.

So, hate if you want, that's your hangup, but I'll tell you this; driving a rhd r34 gt-r is quite enjoyable.

[themadscientist]

And you should have more time to do that as I have banned you.

[AZhitman]

All this talk of "separate frame" and "convert it to a unibody" proves the guy knows d!ck about modern cars, LOL.

If he'd read the NHTSA docs, he'd see that making modifications to a unibody doesn't make it a non-Nissan, btw.

[CloudAkuma]

And you should have more time to do that as I have banned you.

What is the point exactly of banning him? He didn't violate ANY rules whatsoever.

Real good one.

[CloudAkuma]

All this talk of "separate frame" and "convert it to a unibody" proves the guy knows d!ck about modern cars, LOL.

If he'd read the NHTSA docs, he'd see that making modifications to a unibody doesn't make it a non-Nissan, btw.

What section says that?

[themadscientist]

What is the point exactly of banning him? He didn't violate ANY rules whatsoever.

Real good one.

He was a troll. I've seen them come and I make them go. The subject has been beat to death and I am not going to let a johnny come lately stir it up again because he didn't read or chose to disregard the preceding discussions before shooting his mouth off.

You can GTFO with him if you like, you have been as useful as he up till now.

[CloudAkuma]

He was a troll. I've seen them come and I make them go.

Pretty quick judge on whether he's a troll, no?

Actually i clicked his profile, saw his name, and thought it was familiar, so i looked it up quickly on google-- and indeed, there seems to be stuff that shows up for a person from that location. I know i've seen that name from somewhere, possibly having to do with cars.

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..because he didn't read or chose to disregard the preceding discussions before shooting his mouth off.

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Again, I just didn't see him violate any real stated rules. Certainly it's possible but I don't see how the chances are he's a troll either; could just be stating his experiences.

Someone else said earlier theres not many with kaizos when it came to being able to ask one about it; so here comes one, and instabanned, when we could have asked him for info or judge if he was truly independent.

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You can GTFO with him if you like, you have been as useful as he up till now.

[/quote]Exactly who the f*** said you NEED to be useful on a forum? I thought people who don't know much go there to learn about stuff? I thought part of forums were about the information; shared by those who have it and those who don't and building off it. Of course i don't know f***ing anything; that's why i came here. ANd apparently, i would still be leaving still stuck at square one.

Gee, I wonder if the place i came to during this epic quest had anything to do with that?. Everything i asked here may be 'useless'-- because i ASKED; they were QUESTIONS (but even then, questions can stimulate conversation, something that actually seems to be trying to be avoided for some reason). But i guess you have some sort of superiority/inferiority complex? I guess acting like that makes you feel superior? The forum just makes you feel big?

Let me ask you something. Do you talk like this to peoples faces?

Modified by CloudAkuma at 8:02 AM 5/4/2009
Modified by CloudAkuma at 8:14 AM 5/4/2009

[themadscientist]

I am quick to judge based upon years of experience doing this. I am a very good judge of character and four straight posts of attitude is enough to get capped. You are up to eleven now and you are still here. Why? Because you don't give me the funny vibe he did, you don't trip the troll alarm like he did.

I think you might do yourself a favor by looking up some of my work. You have seen me eliminate two people here in rather rapid succession. I enjoy helping people and like a good heated discussion, but I have no qualms about eliminating cancerous members in a split second, those guys were such tumors.

You are likely not going to agree with or understand everything I do but that is not a prerequisite for me doing them.

It's not a superiority complex, it's a work ethic. I know what I am doing and I get things done. If you get information without flaming and don't feel like you must armor up to visit, it's because I and the other staff members take care of business.Moderator isn't a title here like some forums, it's a job. A job we love and a job we take seriously.

To answer you question, I talk even more direct in real life. I don't suffer fools. Luckily when typing something one gets the opportunity to see what they are about to say and edit, real life is different. You are hearing "me" at about 75% here. A forum is not a place to feel big, not for me at least. This is where I come to relax. So, when some chump comes up in the house and pisses on the rug he gets a rolled up newspaper upside the head, shoved up his a** and two shots to the grape. Why? So you won't have to deal with him.

If you feel I am being too harsh you are just going to have to let that go.

[norman_069]

I myself am confused about what just happened. People were asking if anyone had talked to a kaizo owner and then one shows up and he gets banned. Well you can go ahead and ban me too because this will be the last time i post anything on this website. What an ***hole you gotta be to just tell people that there is no way to have a skyline and then when a company is doing it telling them they are wrong and when a guy has proof he can register and insure it and then you ban him. I am aware its not 100% legal but it works. So I guess you dumbf***s are just running this forum sitting on the computer all the time instead of in a garage where the real learning takes place. Ya'll can go f*** yourselves.

Good Day Muther f***ers! I Said GOOD DAY!

[Encryptshun]

Well you can go ahead and ban me too because this will be the last time i post anything on this website.

And with your 10 posts since 2005, you have made SUCH huge contributions to the forum...

Last time I heard from you (December of 2008), you were "in the process" of getting a Kaizo car. How did that go?

Hello, I haven't posted much on this forum but i have been reading it for a long time. I also have recently talked to shawn about what kaizo is doing and although i dont feel like they are 100% legal i do feel like it is the best option out there. I am in the process of getting a car from them and i will let yall know how it goes. Whether it goes good or i get screwed i will post up progress about the whole ordeal. Correct me if i am wrong but the law says you cant register a car as a kit car if it was ever mass produced and sold in the US ... at least thats what ive heard ... to me the key word there is US. A skyline never officialy had a vin in the us so it seems like one of the loop holes. Also i dont understand why DriftTuners is so adament about busting kaizos balls and every one elses ... sounds kinda childish. There are few people in the US that actually want to try and get one of these cars and thee are fewer that have them. I just figured why not help each other instead of bashing each other. If you really have a love for the car then companies should be sharing information and trying to find the best way to import them. I know companies want to make money and thats fine, i love making money, but my love of the skyline goes way past and dollar bill can. I am willing to share any information i have to any one who wants.

Modified by Encryptshun at 8:46 AM 5/5/2009

[themadscientist]

I myself am confused about what just happened. People were asking if anyone had talked to a kaizo owner and then one shows up and he gets banned. Well you can go ahead and ban me too because this will be the last time i post anything on this website. What an ***hole you gotta be to just tell people that there is no way to have a skyline and then when a company is doing it telling them they are wrong and when a guy has proof he can register and insure it and then you ban him. I am aware its not 100% legal but it works. So I guess you dumbf***s are just running this forum sitting on the computer all the time instead of in a garage where the real learning takes place. Ya'll can go f*** yourselves.

Good Day Muther f***ers! I Said GOOD DAY!

You admit to being confused and then form an opinion in spite of that confusion. You then take that opinion and throw a little tantrum and ask to be banned.Shakespeare called, he wants his drama back.

[Gold Digger]

I myself am confused about what just happened. People were asking if anyone had talked to a kaizo owner and then one shows up and he gets banned. Well you can go ahead and ban me too because this will be the last time i post anything on this website.

Granted.

But...take this to heart...we didn't ban him because he showed up, we banned him because we got the feeling that he was a troll. He contributed nothing helpful by way of this discussion on Kaizo.

If he would have come in and explained in a bit better detail and not been as off-putting as his personality seemed to be, then it might have been a different story.

I am still waiting for someone from Kaizo staff to actually contact us at NICO and explain how what it is they do is so much more legal than the other ways.

You were supposed to be a customer...where the hell have you been during all of these debates? Hiding because you maybe had something happen? Scared to admit you may possibly own an illegal car?

Funny how that works.

[nismodave187]

yea skylines are illegal, but a kaizo body technically isnt a skyline. its vinned as a kaizo car with the frame reinforced to meet dot regs. so its legal

[AZhitman]

Wrong.

More reading needed.

Please don't comment without being informed. Thx.

Welcome aboard, BTW.

[Encryptshun]

These guys have all the objectivity, sincerity and honesty of an infomercial audience member.

[noobedloser]

I am aware its not 100% legal but it works.

this forum doesnt support anything not 100% legal

Wrong.

More reading needed.

Please don't comment without being informed. Thx.

Welcome aboard, BTW.

do you think you can give me a link of the kaizo situation? i see a kaizo r34 at focus auto sales and if its illegal, why doesnt it just get impounded? i just dont know that much about this whole kaizo thing and would like to be informed please. thanks

[mikeolla]

I AM A PROUD KAIZO OWNER

You shouldnt ask questions you don't want the answers to. You should not just censor people because they don't post the answers that YOU wanna hear!

I'm a Kaizo GTR owner who saw that you banned the other guy for saying what I would have said. I also had no probs registering my gtr.

Been pulled over a bunch of times. No trouble.

What are you the f-ing Kaizo Nazi? Like talking smack about Kaizo do you? Go ahead, ban me too.

If there's a specific question you have for me, then I'll do my best to answer it. If not, then I just wanted you to know that here I am. You asked for a Kaizo owner to speak, you got it, pal. See this link below?

http://www.justdriven.com/blog/?p=2530#more-2530

If you read the article, you will notice a second black GTR from customer Mike Olla. I'm f***in Mike Olla!

Whats your question?



Modified by mikeolla at 7:06 AM 6/5/2009

Modified by mikeolla at 7:15 AM 6/5/2009

[themadscientist]

Oh really? I wonder if they will be coming for you next.

http://www.gtrusablog.com/2009....html

Quote »I had a call earlier today that ICE , DOT, and CARB had been at RB today doing some investigating. The investigators looked at a couple of the ex-Motorex cars, called the DOT and ended up leaving from RB. I called over to Kaizo to see what was happening over there, and I was informed that they were in the middle of it.Three cars got seized, along with records, and computers. Included in the three cars seized was the actual hero car from Fast and Furious 4. We will have to see how this plays out over the coming weeks and months. [/quote]

[mikeolla]

Hoping it will blow over. I stand by Kaizo. I don't think they'll be coming for my car, but if they do, I'm prepared for a legal battle
Modified by mikeolla at 9:00 AM 6/5/2009

[themadscientist]

And that pang of uncertainty you feel is why I will cut no grey importer slack. If you went in knowing there were risks, fine. Some people don't dig and beleive whatever they are told. It is for them I pound on the loophole artists.

[mikeolla]

agreed.

Having said that, I believe in Kaizo. In my opinion, as a Kaizo owner, it is legit. Legit in as much as Motorex was legit. Legit until proven otherwise or shut down... or made to stop selling the product.

Anyway, there is no question Kaizo sells just the frame. That's what you get. ..."a rolling skyline coffee table". It takes an incredible amount of work to put one of these together. Work that is done on a US legal DOT compliant frame... as opposed to chopped up Rat Rod that was built on a 1930's rust bucket (legal to drive)! Complete with actual rust! No dis to the Rat Rodders.... I actually subscribe to Rodz Magazine (you don't just get banned there, those guys carry switchblades...also illegal to import).

It's a legal product. A car part. Kaizo remanufactures the car part. Not the car. I know it gets a little sticky when you're talking about a car that was already manufactured as a Nissan being illegal to remanufacture at all, but I believe a very strong legal argument can be made. It falls under car parts. I can't remember the name of the car parts assembly law, but I believe it falls in there snugly enough to hold water. When Kaizo gets done with it, it's DOT compliant car parts.

I acknowlege the fact that I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right (enough). This is after all, a grey area. ...and as far as I recall, Motorex cars are still legal. They fall into a special category, as does Kaizo. Motorex cars are legal. The fact that Motorex cars are legal means that there is a such thing as a US legal Skyline. Isn't it so, that what one man could make legal, another man can make legal?

It's a grey area.



Modified by mikeolla at 8:37 AM 6/5/2009

Modified by mikeolla at 9:31 AM 6/5/2009
Modified by mikeolla at 9:32 AM 6/5/2009

[Encryptshun]

Motorex Skylines are only legal because they were grandfathered in when the new, more comprehensive, laws were passed - the gov't didn't want to penalize the people who thought MotorRex was following the agreement they made with the government and had spent sh*t-tons of money on their cars (money they could not get back). MotorRex cars were not considered a "niche" vehicle such as a kit car -- they all have U.S.-issued VINs and are federally recognized. Not trying to pick nits here with ya, man, but Kaizo and Motorex cars are not really in the same category. Motorex (at least ostensibly) was trying to create the equivalent of a DSM Skyline -- Kaizo is trying to split hairs with the law.

And in terms of Kaizo cars being grandfathered the way Motorex cars were, I hope you are right because I hate seeing people get picked on by the government, but the phrase that comes to mind is "past performance is no guarantee of future results".

Only time will tell. Until then, you are a lucky Skyline owner, I'm envious, and congrats on obtaining a car most of us would give our left nut to own.

(Well, except Gold Digger -- he already owns one)

[mikeolla]

Thanks. We'll see how it pans out.

I still think Kaizo is legit. Grey, but legit. If it were so illegal to do what they're doing, they would have been stopped long ago. Especially with all the player haters out there. It is obviously, not sooo illegal.... It's not b&w, its grey.

It might be questionable, but if it were such a CLEAR violation, I think they'd have been stopped immediately. It's obviously not so clear.

Think about it. There are people who probably called the feds the SECOND they heard of Kaizo. There are plenty of Kaizo unibodies out there.

[mikeolla]

Compared to what Motorex was trying to do, what Kaizo is doing is a walk in the park. It's just a DOT compliant, US roadworthy frame. Not even a car. It's not even a remanufactured car, because they don't remanufacture or re-assemble it.

I don't think Kaizo is in trouble. ....much less, me. I don't think the government is after people who turn their Kaizos into something drivable. After all, I'm no different than a rat rodder....a rat rodder on rice! I think they're after people who illegally import skylines or those who play the blatently illegal dissassemble/reassemble game.

...and if I am in trouble, well then.... I'm resourceful enough to be driving an R34, I think I can mount a significant legal defense. I'm no slouch, you know.

Worst case, I'm sure they'll give me a few weeks to export it b4 they demolish it. I've always wanted to visit New Zealand. I will either sell the car in Japan, or move to Australia with the car. I'm very fond of Australian girls. Japanese girls too, but i don't speak the language, so New Zealand would b my 1st choice.

Modified by mikeolla at 10:16 AM 6/5/2009
Modified by mikeolla at 10:46 AM 6/5/2009

[Gold Digger]

My biggest question is how do they add modifications to it then re-name it as a Kaizo R34? It's still a Skyline as that was what the car was produced as.

As far as I can gather, Kaizo buys up Nissan Skyline GT-Rs, makes structural modifications, removes the engine and trans, gives it a new name and assigns a VIN number to a, to quote you, "a car part". How do you assign a VIN number to a part?

I am not trying to bash on ya, but do you see where the argument for Kaizo seems to have holes in it? How can you give a car a new name and VIN when it's no longer an actual "vechicle", which it started out as?

And to top it off, most of the people who buy these cars put in engines that aren't actually legal in the U.S. making matters worse. If you were to buy a Kaizo and drop in LS engine, it would probably be pretty gravy. But, to stick in the original type of engine and trans would be pushing the limit that much more.

The more light you can shed on this the better. I have asked for anyone on the STAFF of Kaizo to come in and defend their product. Sean Morris has even said they are about as "legal" as you can get, but there just still seems to be a lot of questions that are unanswered.

We want to look out for our membership and don't want to see Kaizo owners get it stuck to them for someone else's oversight, or undersight for that matter, and be out a substantial amount of money...which includes you.

Do you think that if the government came after you for owning an illegaly imported car that you would fair very well? We are talking about the government here. We all know what is possible with them.

[Gold Digger]

Only time will tell. Until then, you are a lucky Skyline owner, I'm envious, and congrats on obtaining a car most of us would give our left nut to own.

(Well, except Gold Digger -- he already owns one)

Well, look at our geographic locations...that says it all...

[mikeolla]

My biggest question is how do they add modifications to it then re-name it as a Kaizo R34? It's still a Skyline as that was what the car was produced as.

As far as I can gather, Kaizo buys up Nissan Skyline GT-Rs, makes structural modifications, removes the engine and trans, gives it a new name and assigns a VIN number to a, to quote you, "a car part". How do you assign a VIN number to a part?

I am not trying to bash on ya, but do you see where the argument for Kaizo seems to have holes in it? How can you give a car a new name and VIN when it's no longer an actual "vechicle", which it started out as?

And to top it off, most of the people who buy these cars put in engines that aren't actually legal in the U.S. making matters worse. If you were to buy a Kaizo and drop in LS engine, it would probably be pretty gravy. But, to stick in the original type of engine and trans would be pushing the limit that much more.

The more light you can shed on this the better. I have asked for anyone on the STAFF of Kaizo to come in and defend their product. Sean Morris has even said they are about as "legal" as you can get, but there just still seems to be a lot of questions that are unanswered.

We want to look out for our membership and don't want to see Kaizo owners get it stuck to them for someone else's oversight, or undersight for that matter, and be out a substantial amount of money...which includes you.

Do you think that if the government came after you for owning an illegaly imported car that you would fair very well? We are talking about the government here. We all know what is possible with them.

You can assign a VIN number to a car part just as you can issue a Vin # to a dune buggy with no engine. As to how I would fair against the government, I certainly have a better shot than ANY OTHER Skyline owner in the world who's US car is not a Kaizo (save Motorex).