How many believe in God?

Post by **GELLIS2586** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Well then lets hope it doesn't get ugly cause thats not what this is all about.

Post by **Anand** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:i have been reading some of his stuff for a while (i took this quote off a online gandhi resource site though ), i think he has the right idea when it comes to god and religion. Plus Gandhi is the man, strait up.

I must say, you have surprised me!!

it's one thing to discuss ones religion and it's another to get too personal... In this day and age, you have to be very open minded.. you can not judge a book by it's cover.. Religion is in your heart and not what other people see! I don't think religion should have a title as "Christianity" "Islam" or "Hindu" it's what you make of it..

you gotta remember.. all the books that were written.. were wrtten by man... and nothing man touches is true to the core!!!

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

I am a christian, but I find other religeons to be increadibly interesting. Even different sects of Christianity. It's all good and it's all everybodies decision. Thats why I think it is great. You don't have to believe or not believe anything. It is totally up to you. I am really sadened when people use scare tactics to get people to accept Christ though.

Post by **Anand** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

anyway fellas.. I gotta turn in for the night.. I don't drink alone so I can't be up all night typing.. pluss, my fingers are starting to hurt.. so I'm gonna head in for the night... I willbe back tom morning from work to check back on this thread..

don't worry, no one will ruin this thread! I got your back... say what you want to but choose your words carefully

and that's not just to him but to everyone that will be posting on this thread...

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Rockenreno wrote:there was a discussion on religious stuff back in January of this year I think, you might want to search for that. In the meantime, I don't believe in any form of God or religion. Put simply, I believe they are constructs of man to give himself a meaning he so desperately desires but does not have... but that's just my opinion, you don't have to agree. I respect those who believe in god(s), and I try not to get into arguments about it because most of the time they are unsure of their beliefs and end up getting pissed off at me for not agreeing with them. The conversation I mentioned earlier was actually a very good discussion about God and religion I had with AZhitman and a few other people if I recall correctly.

couldnt agree more

Post by **Cold_Zero** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

GELLIS2586 wrote:Well then lets hope it doesn't get ugly cause thats not what this is all about.

It wont get ugly, cause Ben and I are cool.

Post by **Onizuka** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Gandhi said that God can only be interpreted by humans with the limitations of their mind, god is something more than man can even concive of. "One need only remember that God is the Force among all the Forces. All other Forces are material. But God is the Vital Force or Spirit which is all-pervading, all-embracing and therefore beyond human ken."

also black240, i dont mean i have been reading his stuff for a long while as in like years, but recently i was reminded of him and wanted to learn more about him so i have been discovering all the idea's he had and now i know what a great thinker and philosopher gandhi was. This disscusion happend to come up and gave me a chance to apply!

Post by **GELLIS2586** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Dude i love the trinity it is so interesting.

Some people point to water and say water can be found in three physical states: Solid, liquid, and gas. Although it can be observed in three different forms, it is still water. This analogy is then compared to the trinity: There is only one God, but He expresses Himself as three persons.

Post by **GELLIS2586** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

J-Spec i respect you alot. Ghandi is right completely. Last night at youth we were talking about heaven and how it is so beautiful and amazing the human can't grasp it's beauty. The same goes for the rest of all religions. That is why you have to have faith and believe.

Post by **Rockenreno** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

I too agree in large part with the Ghandi quote. I feel God is an ideal, a moral standard to which people try to abide by and binds them together. Do I believe in God as a physical being? No. I do, however, believe the fabrication of a God by a major portion of the human race makes the laws and morals he stands for real. I myself believe in much of what God stands for, I just don't believe in a "God" that is all-powerful in a physical sense. My opinion is that his effect is purely psychological and the this is accomplished through the social construction of His image by the people. I'm, of course, happy to respond to any challenges/questions about my view, and I'm always in favor of a good discussion (or even arguement at times).

Post by **bdawg46** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

one quick question im kinda confused on.... if everyones religion is right or its wuteva u make it to be, etc. does that mean there is no heaven or hell? or does that mean that everyone goes to heaven and hell is always empty? just kinda confused....

Post by **GELLIS2586** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Everyone believes differently. Yes there is a Heaven and a Hell. No not everyone goes (Christianity). It is just what your faith is. Christianity if you accept christ as your lord and savior you go to heaven. It's deeper than that but thats basically how it works. Other religions believe othere things. But like i said it is based completely upon your faith.

Website · Post by **Doriftomodachi** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

MainEvent212 wrote:i killed jesus myself...the bastard...

It's VERY sad that you would even joke about something like that. I don't care how corny it sounds but that comment really hurts. I'm really sorry that you feel that way and I will pray that GOD forgives you. I would encourage you to read Revelations in the Bible. Please don't think I'm judging you, because I humbly admit that judging anyone is not my place.

The reason I'm a Christian is because I was a slave to drug and alcohol addiction for 17 years and I was able to become COMPLETELY SOBER through a miracle of GOD, NOT because of anything I did. I honestly thought I was gonna die but thanks to GOD I was spared death from drugs, alcoholism or from any accident that could have happened from my stupidity while I was intoxicated (I was either high or drunk EVERYDAY for the past 10 years).

Do any of you know any alcoholics or druggies? How hard do you think it would be for them to quit? Honestly, for those of you who drink or use regularly, do you think you could quit cold turkey if you were asked to quit tomorrow? Do you think you could forego using drugs or alcohol for the rest of your life? I know I couldn't because at that level I was a slave to my addictions. I was saved by the will of GOD alone.

I pray that GOD will work miracles in all of your lives like he did in mine. Peace :ylsuper

Post by **NISTECH** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Well to answer the first post.I am no longer a believer was a christian (babtised methodest when young and unable to decide for myself what to believe in) Gained knowlege from regularly attending sunday school and then finally regular church sessions till my very late teens. Things started to not make any sence to me. will give only one example here there are many in the bible which I still have and ocassionaly re read to try to find the missing links I came across years ago and still have not found them. Any how first example. If adam and eve where the first 2 humans created and they only had 2 sons,Where did their wifes come from when they got older?

I used to go to church as a believer I was in no way forced to attend when I was a teen. When I finally did call it quits approxamatly 2 months later I quit useing dope and have been clean ever since. so in my case my "savior" came after leaving the church. I have an opinion on where religion began. But it is just that, it is an opinion and will only share with those truly interested in it. I have no problem with believers of christ that is the beauty of this country, you have the freedom to believe or not to believe. And besides in my theroy it benifits mankind for there to be believers in god. Sorry for the spelling errors a bit tired tonight.

Post by **yashin** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

i don't beleive anythin until i see it, god included

Post by **bdawg46** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

GELLIS, so wutever u have faith in and believe in is true and thats wut is goin to happen ot u after u die? wutever u believed during ur time on earth?

Post by **89240sx** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

God = maybe

organized religion = organized crime

Post by **GirlRacerS14** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Well I am a Christian. My dad was a preacher.(no jokes and yes i'm a little wild) But I do enjoy seeing what other people believe and how they feel about religion etc. I love to talk or debate about it. I've studied not only my religion but others as well. I like to be knowledgable on the subject and there is a lot to learn out there. If anyone would like to talk or debate or has specific questions, I'm up for a conversation just like Hitman said he was. I just insist on a mature conversation. I had one where I was called every name in the book and cursed at every other word because of my belief and I won't tolerate that kind of junk. Otherwise. IM me anytime.

GR

Post by **GELLIS2586** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Hey bdawg by my belief yes that is what is going to happen to me and after I die yes I will go to heaven. Like many people have said before your faith is based on your own perspective of the scripture. Some people take the scripture to far and miss the content of it. Like the people supporting Islamic Jihad. These people believe that killing non Islamic believers will send them to heaven. It's what they believe but it's wrong because it has a negative effect on the world. Religion is here on the earth to lift people up not to bring out hate. Unfortuneately it does. Jesus Christ is the one true savior and through him is the only way to get to heaven. Thats just my belief.

Post by **rydwhite** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Ok, first off, I do not believe in organized religion. A look back through history and the root of over half of the worlds conflicts is religion based. There is alot of hatred based on different religous beliefs as well. These are a couple of the reasons I do not believe in any type of organized religion.

Also, even if I did believe in organized religion, there is not a religion that I would fit into.

I believe that "God, Alah" whatever you want to call it exists, but not in the essence that I usually hear mentioned. I believe that there is an energy. That energy started everything. The Big Bang had to occur from something, there had to be some type of energy to get things started. That energy in my opinion is what people call God. That energy exists in everything and is everywhere. That small amount of energy that started everything had to expand to create the Big Bang and that energy has continued to expand and has had to part of the creation of everything. It takes an energy to create something. Ok, so that is what I believe God is, an energy that encompasses all things. I believe that when a person dies, their soul, which was originally created from that energy then rejoins that energy that is everywhere that is ever creating new things.

So, I do believe in "God" I suppose.

Post by **cnichols** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

It's long I know, but I feel that I raise some good points and very much enjoy this type of discussion because I was raised Christian (Baptist) and have since gone away from religion. I really do wish I could believe in a higher power because it makes death so much more promising....hmmmm...

GELLIS2586 wrote:Everyone believes differently. Yes there is a Heaven and a Hell. No not everyone goes (Christianity). It is just what your faith is. Christianity if you accept christ as your lord and savior you go to heaven. It's deeper than that but thats basically how it works. Other religions believe othere things. But like i said it is based completely upon your faith.

First off....what makes Christianity right? This is so ignorant (not meant as an insult to anyone). So, you're telling me that you know for a fact there is a heaven and hell and that only Christians are allowed in? Remember that Christianity is not the oldest religion by any means so.....all the people before that went straight to hell?

THINK about that for a second.

This is one of the major flaws of Christianity, and the one that made me question my beliefs in the first place. I was raised Christian and was a very firm believer until I actually started to THINK and analyze the Bible, etc. Too many things began to contradict and I believe that as was mentioned before....religion is a human construct. I believe that it was originally devised to explain the unexplainable and to act as a guideline for life. Also, you have to realize there was no police force/complex set of laws in the past, and this served that purpose. By using a person's own fear of going to hell or fear of provoking the wrath of God, a society could effectively "police" it's members.

I'm sorry, but you should question everything in this world and take nothing for fact just because somebody tells you so.

[quote=" GELLIS2586 Thats cool Im glad your not dead. U wanna golf with Jesus? You can just ask him to ne there and he will. If you speak to him hell speak back you just gotta keep your eys and heart open man. It's all in the faith.[/quote]

Are you listening to yourself? It's talk like that keeps people away from going to church and made me quit altogether.

If you were to make up a religion and wanted people to follow it and really make it work...what would be the best way to not have people question it and to make it last? FAITH. Make the religion based on faith...then you have mindless people running around telling everyone they have to have faith, no proof necessary. Then you could make up a bunch of cool stories that teach lessons on how to live life and put it in a big book called the Bible (which by the way had to be translated through 2000 years and who knows how many languages....hmmm...wonder if anything was changed or misinterpreted in that time?). Then you have a great system to keep the masses under control from blindly looting the world and causing anarchy.

I could go on, but I think that'll do it for now. To be honest, I wish I could believe again. It was nice to have an all-powerful being "watching over you" that you could talk to....kind of like kids who have imaginary friends. The sky is the limit as to what they can "do" and what you "hear" them saying to you.

Post by **cnichols** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

One other thing...have you ever noticed that some of the most brilliant people in this world have been Athiests? These people analyze everything and take everything into consideration...and they don't believe. Just food for thought.

Post by **Solanthos** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

I have witnessed the miracles of God far too often in my own life and that of others to deny Him.

I was brought up Baptist and going to church once a month or less in my childhood. When I started into my teenage years I really started taking a deeper look into God and Christianity and religion. I determined at that point that I did not want to be considered part of a whole (a Christian) when other parts of that whole (Catholic priests, Jerry Falwell, Jesse Jackson, etc) made (and are making to this day) asses of themselves and the Christian Faith. I saw the stereotypical view of a hypocritical machine that was only concerned with money and building a bigger church without reinvesting that time/money into something more worthwhile than a private jet. I did still believe in God or some form of higher being, and I've always been more spiritual than religious anyway... so I just called myself nondenominational and took bits and pieces of belief from many religions as my own.

However... I've been on quite a journey in the past three months. With the help of some friends and Jesus and God, I have gotten through some of the toughest times emotionally of my life. Every time I have ever asked for guidance or help, God has shown me the way through his son and lit my path with his warm white light. Any time I need someone to be there for me, I can lift a prayer to heaven and just talk. I speak to God and Jesus as if I were talking to my father... after all, in the end God *is* my father. There is no fear in my relationship with him because you shouldn't fear your father... there is undying respect.

As far as other folks... dorifto's story is frighteningly similar to one of a guy I work with. He's mid 40's now... in the early to mid 90's he was one of the biggest coke dealers in the area. He snorted probably $1000 worth of coke per day, and had plenty of money to spare... hot rods... a vintage guitar collection... all taken away when he got busted. It was through the grace of God that he was able to deal with the withdrawals and swear off any sort of illegal substance, and through his belief, I believe he was granted some sort of reward... see, he had three life sentences, and was able to get parole. He now works here as he has done for the past 4-5 years and runs a prison ministry in the Dallas area.

Guys... if you've stuck with me this long I appreciate it. I guess a thread like this is a good place to share my feelings. But I've seen way too many miracles happen to believe that God and Jesus are not a part of me. It took a long time to come to that realization, and the journey's just beginning... but it truly is a warm safe place.

Post by **Altiman94** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

I'm a chrisian here! Sounds like many NICO members aren't though.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:13 pm

This thread has been here before its divise in our club and its locked.

Fred..

How many believe in God?

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