How does Obama get away with using tax cheats in his Administration?

[dusred]

Seriously,

How does he get away with it? Are people just blind?

This is the list so far:

Ron Kirk - $10,000Timothy Geithner - $34,000Tom Daschle - $128,000Nancy Killefer - 34,000 (she actually withdrew after this was discovered)

These are just the ones that come to mind, there may be more.

How many of these people are in jail for tax evasion?

If I failed to pay $128,000 in back taxes I'll bet I'd be behind bars for several years. One of my uncles had to serve hard time in prison for failing to pay some of his income taxes (around $10,000 I think).

What is the deal? I thought Obama said he would run the most ethical administration?

Obama really does lie, as Matt once said.

[intermilanrox]

Please it was an "Honest Mistake."

But seriously I find it completely ridiculous that this is a man who based his campaign around CHANGE and all he is doing is bringing more BS to Washington.

Here's an interesting fact: The last 2 people (that i know of) who ran the IRS paid somebody to do their taxes for them, because the tax code is like thousands of pages long.

I hope that he does a better job with this economy than he did picking his cabinet otherwise America is screwed.

[liquid_cool]

the tax code is 9000 pages long....lol...thats just sick!...imagine if ya pissed an agent off somehow in traffic what they can do with a 9k page tax code against you..there must be sumpin they can find you at fault with...scary hu.

[dusred]

Please it was an "Honest Mistake."

LOL!

I laugh every time I hear someone offer that in their defense. If anyone else made that kind of an "Honest Mistake" they'd get their asses thrown in jail and bubba would have his way with them.

[Jacko3]

LOL!

I laugh every time I hear someone offer that in their defense. If anyone else made that kind of an "Honest Mistake" they'd get their asses thrown in jail and bubba would have his way with them.

At least his mistakes have not cost human lives, has it?

[Cold_Zero]

All the more reason to 'Change' the tax code to a Fair Tax system! That way our Politicians do not have to withdraw from their nominations, when they are found to be tax cheats!

[smockers83]

How does he do it? Because he has the backing of Congress and people, unfortunately, are still swooning over him being elected.

But I am starting to see something interesting. Some of my friends that were all about Obama are no longer all about Obama. They hate what he's doing.

Is it too early to say, "I told you so"?

[telcoman]

Seriously,

How does he get away with it? Are people just blind?

This is the list so far:

Ron Kirk - $10,000Timothy Geithner - $34,000Tom Daschle - $128,000Nancy Killefer - 34,000 (she actually withdrew after this was discovered)

These are just the ones that come to mind, there may be more.

How many of these people are in jail for tax evasion?

If I failed to pay $128,000 in back taxes I'll bet I'd be behind bars for several years. One of my uncles had to serve hard time in prison for failing to pay some of his income taxes (around $10,000 I think).

What is the deal? I thought Obama said he would run the most ethical administration?

Obama really does lie, as Matt once said.

dustred

As far as ethics what about the criminals from the previous administration such as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Scooter Libby, Alberto Gonzolez to name a few.It is interesting that Bush kept the cost of the wars out of his budgets and hidden from the public.

1- Review the election results!With all the BS from the right about Aires the end result is most voters ignored the BS and voted for Obama.2- The majority are giving Obama favorable ratings in the job he has done thus far.3- This mess that the last administration handed him is not going to be resolved for a few years.4- With all the BS coming from Fox Noise and Rush, I have yet to hear of anyone on the right offer a clear articulate comprehensive alternative to straightening out this financial mess that the Republicans got us into.

What happened to Sarah Palan? She has yet to make any of the Sunday talk shows. Probably too busy teaching her daughter on the proper use of birth control?

In my opinion, Obama is doing a great job in listening to all view points on a wide range of issues.

In the very near future the financial markets are going to see much more regulation and oversight with respect to credit default swaps, hedge fund transactions etc.The wealthy & very rich are going are going to see a few % point increases in their taxes and the American people are finally going to have a healthcare plan.

The party for the rich over the past eight years is over.

Telcoman

[dusred]

dustred

As far as ethics what about the criminals from the previous administration such as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Scooter Libby, Alberto Gonzolez to name a few.It is interesting that Bush kept the cost of the wars out of his budgets and hidden from the public.

1- Review the election results!With all the BS from the right about Aires the end result is most voters ignored the BS and voted for Obama.2- The majority are giving Obama favorable ratings in the job he has done thus far.3- This mess that the last administration handed him is not going to be resolved for a few years.4- With all the BS coming from Fox Noise and Rush, I have yet to hear of anyone on the right offer a clear articulate comprehensive alternative to straightening out this financial mess that the Republicans got us into.

What happened to Sarah Palan? She has yet to make any of the Sunday talk shows. Probably too busy teaching her daughter on the proper use of birth control?

In my opinion, Obama is doing a great job in listening to all view points on a wide range of issues.

In the very near future the financial markets are going to see much more regulation and oversight with respect to credit default swaps, hedge fund transactions etc.The wealthy & very rich are going are going to see a few % point increases in their taxes and the American people are finally going to have a healthcare plan.

The party for the rich over the past eight years is over.

Telcoman

So because Bush had some "criminals" in his Admin that makes it OK for Obama to? I thought hew as all about 'change'?

[intermilanrox]

What BS coming from the right?!?!

It's all factual: Obama's cabinet is full of tax evaders.The stimulus bill was FULL of pork (60% from the left and about 40% from the right).Obama just keeps spending a ridiculous amount money that will have no long term affect on the economy. I still don't see how raising the taxes on the rich are fair. They already pay higher taxes, and they work just as hard if not harder than everybody for their money and they deserve to keep it just as much as you do.

You can't get mad at the right for stating facts, just because you disagree with them.

p.s. how is giving everyone healthcare going to stimulate the economy?

[smockers83]

Obama just keeps spending a ridiculous amount money that will have no long term affect on the economy.

Well, we aren't exactly looking for long term effects, we want it fixed now, therefore we need short term stimuli.

[telcoman]

What BS coming from the right?!?!

Replay RL speech and spend an hour listening to O'Reilly on Fox noise

Then spend another hour on MSNBC with Keith Olberman and you'll begin to understand the BS coming from the right.

The dual tuner TIVO's are ideal for following politics. We have his and her TIVO's ( I have two) so six simultaneous programs can be recorded at once while watching a seventh.

Telcoman

[intermilanrox]

Smockers: The price for the amount of jobs created is a little absurd. All the economists said that it wouldn't create nearly the amount of jobs Obama stated, on top of that. As for the "jobs" created through all those infrastructure projects, those are all going to be done by existing contractors, engineers, and what not. Now I still don't understand how giving out birth control is going to help the economy, either. Or how having millions spent on manure control research in (Iowa?) is going to help either. This wont stimulate the economy short term or long term, it's just pushing this on to America's next generation, and that's ridiculous.

Telcoman: I try to watch the O'Reilly Factor every night. Personally, he's not nearly as good anymore, and if you really want to know he has been moving more towards the independents and is no longer far right anymore. IMO Hannity and Glenn Beck are much better. But back to the point. Now from time to time O'Reilly might spew some stuff that makes you scratch your head, but by now means does he or anyone on Fox spew BS constantly. They cover the stuff that the Left media doesn't want to, and I think that's great that America can get both sides of the argument.

As for RL, I tend to not listen to him, because although some of the stuff he says is good, alot of it is out there. Now back to another post, I think its completley fair for him to say he wants Obama to fail (even though that is not what he meant or intended).

And I'd rather watch BBC, than MSNBC, as they are probally the most fair network to get news from.

[dusred]

Why didn't you answer my post, Telco?

[OriginalWheelman]

At least his mistakes have not cost human lives, has it?

How do you know? Maybe the taxes he would have paid would have gone into a research fund and made a difference for a lot of lives. Just because the effect isn't obvious doesn't mean there is not one.

Why didn't you answer my post, Telco?

Because all he ever has to say is "But Bush did this" no matter what you are talking about. He has no real argument, he just uses every chance to blame Bush. For the next 4 - 8 years, it will STILL be all Bush's fault, and the Dems will be trying to save us from the mess the evil Republicans made. Then, when the Repubs get control, and things start going right, it will be the residual effects of the Obama administration. It's just a unfounded uneducated answer that no one can refute because it's so broad and vague. He's deluding himself into thinking what he wants to believe is true, so he made up this argument to do it. He has made up his mind based on his emotions, and is looking for any evidence to support his position, instead of looking at the facts and determining his position like a logical human being.
Modified by OriginalWheelman at 10:47 AM 3/7/2009

[WDRacing]

Without choosing sides here...

Are we seriously surprised these days that politicians at all levels are in some way corrupt? I mean seriously, it's the nature of the beast. Power is the most corrupting thing to a humans nature. We have sat back and let the last 60 years of politicians do whatever they want with basically no real consequences. So is a little tax evasion REALLY a shock...lol. I mean wow...

WD

[OriginalWheelman]

Shock? No. Problem? Yes.

The corruption needs to end. Obama said he would end it, then instills it just as bad if not worse with this administration. He lied, America knows it.

Try getting someone to admit they voted for Obama. It's hard. They are and rightfully should be embarrassed. They are realizing now what smart people realized before the election, Obama is a charismatic con-man who used his charisma and exploited the disapproval of Bush to win the white house. He was a elected on a fervor of emotion that they whipped up on purpose. Now when the presidency is here and we are faced with the cold logic of it all, they realize how stupid they were.

[WDRacing]

Dude, he's been in office 3 seconds. Failure? No...

Can you solve the economy crisis? No?

How has he made things worse...exactly. How exactly did Obama himself break the law? How did HE make our country worse?

His admin is no worse then any before his, give the man more then 3 seconds to make some difference for f#$%s sake. Save the judgement for the hate mongering right wing meetings.

There isn't going to be any admin that will make everyone happy. It's impossible...Nor will there be one that does everything to the letter of the law...won't happen...ever.

[480sx]

Im with WD on this one.

As far as the OP goes, i really dont see how tax evasion is a big enough deal to really consider this some massive scandal. Sure. It looks pretty bad, but ffs.. How many people dont pay their taxes and dont make the news? WGAF

I mean Dus, it sucks about your uncle and the double standard and all, theres no doubt. But i mean.. No one said politics wernt full of ish.

[OriginalWheelman]

Quit putting words in my mouth. I didn't call Obama a failure. I said he promised change and has delivered the opposite. I don't care how long he's been in office, 3 months or 3 years. The fact that he's going back on his word THIS EARLY really shows what little strength of character he has, or how little he actually knows the people he is appointing. Either way, I'm unimpressed. All I've seen form Obama is exactly what I've expected, socialist policies, higher taxes, and claims of being above the muck while being up to his neck in it.

I love how the left can't handle the scrutiny it gives the right.

[480sx]

I love how the left can't handle the scrutiny it gives the right.

While i neither identify myself as left or right, i will say this.

Bashing B.O for appointing people who may very well be the most qualified people for the position he needs filled who happen to have tax issues is pretty weak scrutiny. I think the 'right' is over playing this card. There are plenty of real issues that B.O has already done that should be under much more scrutiny than this.

I will agree with you OWM on some of what you said however about B.O's expectations. I think he however was buried in muck from the day he went into office from the previous administrations. Not giving him a free pass by any means, just saying. Its too early to call much of anything for certain IMO.

[WDRacing]

Quit putting words in my mouth. I didn't call Obama a failure. I said he promised change and has delivered the opposite. I don't care how long he's been in office, 3 months or 3 years. The fact that he's going back on his word THIS EARLY really shows what little strength of character he has, or how little he actually knows the people he is appointing. Either way, I'm unimpressed. All I've seen form Obama is exactly what I've expected, socialist policies, higher taxes, and claims of being above the muck while being up to his neck in it.

I love how the left can't handle the scrutiny it gives the right.

Um, higher taxes are a no brainer...did you notice the recession? Did you notice the "War on Terror"? Did you notice the 3 friggin countries under our assault? So yeah...the debt is all Obama right? Socialist policies...did you notice he was a Democrat? Why don't you just openly make ONE post about the Dems being wrong in every way possible about every thing possible and then stop posting.

So there's a couple holes in your reasoning. That followed by him not having a second to make any real change pretty much means you're an opportunistic hater just like every other negative nanny in this damn country.

WD

[audtatious]

give the man more then 3 seconds to make some difference for f#$%s sake.

I did that once. My wallet ended up missing and I had charges on my credit cards.

[audtatious]

Bashing B.O for appointing people who may very well be the most qualified people for the position he needs filled who happen to have tax issues is pretty weak scrutiny.

Even if the guy who didn't pay taxes is the one who helped write the tax code and is now over the IRS?

[OriginalWheelman]

Um, higher taxes are a no brainer...did you notice the recession? Did you notice the "War on Terror"? Did you notice the 3 friggin countries under our assault? So yeah...the debt is all Obama right? Socialist policies...did you notice he was a Democrat? Why don't you just openly make ONE post about the Dems being wrong in every way possible about every thing possible and then stop posting.

So there's a couple holes in your reasoning. That followed by him not having a second to make any real change pretty much means you're an opportunistic hater just like every other negative nanny in this damn country.

WD

I'm not an opportunistic hater. I f I was, I'd have been all over the "f*** Bush" bandwagon like everyone else. I don't give a DAMN how corrupt the PAST was they didn't get elected promising to END the corruption. Obama DID. I'm holding him to his word, and he is breaking it. If you want to be mad, be mad at him, and / or the people that voted for him.

While i neither identify myself as left or right, i will say this.

Bashing B.O for appointing people who may very well be the most qualified people for the position he needs filled who happen to have tax issues is pretty weak scrutiny. I think the 'right' is over playing this card. There are plenty of real issues that B.O has already done that should be under much more scrutiny than this.

And they are under scrutiny. The left trashes the right whenever they are in office for secret dealings, evading the law when they feel like it, doing eon thing and saying another, all the while doing the SAME THINGS. This is why I call the democrats hypocrites. They are just as guilty of the stuff they continually berate the republicans for. We happen to be talking abotu taxes here. Tax evasion is a CRIME. Obama is putting white collar criminals into power in this country and I'm NOT supposed to be upset about it?

I will agree with you OWM on some of what you said however about B.O's expectations. I think he however was buried in muck from the day he went into office from the previous administrations. Not giving him a free pass by any means, just saying. Its too early to call much of anything for certain IMO.

All I keep hearing is "Leave Obama Alone!" No one left Bush alone. No one should leave Obama alone. I hope and expect there will be just as much scrutiny of every little thing this administration does as there was for the last one.

[480sx]

Even if the guy who didn't pay taxes is the one who helped write the tax code and is now over the IRS?

Rotf i know.. Ridiculous...

Tax evasion is a CRIME. Obama is putting white collar criminals into power in this country and I'm NOT supposed to be upset about it?

I suppose your right.

However, innocent until proven guilty. You dont know the circumstances that these people owed these back taxes. You dont know if it was Evasion, or Mitigation. I dont think anyone does, and i doubt anyone ever will know because these people are more than likely at this point just going to pay their taxes, say 'Whoops, i forgot', and move on.

No ones saying the government isnt corrupt or there isnt a double standard being held here.

All I keep hearing is "Leave Obama Alone!"

You might keep hearing that, but most of us are just saying, give Obama time. He got himself into a flustercluck of unimaginable proportions. You can blast him all you want, no ones stopping you.

[dusred]

Without choosing sides here...

Are we seriously surprised these days that politicians at all levels are in some way corrupt? I mean seriously, it's the nature of the beast. Power is the most corrupting thing to a humans nature. We have sat back and let the last 60 years of politicians do whatever they want with basically no real consequences. So is a little tax evasion REALLY a shock...lol. I mean wow...

WD

Umm. . . If inserted here what the first thing that came to mind was when I read that I'd probably get banned so I'll just say this:

"Is a little tax evasion REALLY a shock"

Ummm. . . not a shock but PEOPLE GO TO JAIL FOR IT ALL THE TIME!! You'll get more time for evading taxes then killing someone. Thats how serious it is. If you did that WD you'd have you're a** thrown in Jail. So why shouldn't they?

[480sx]

Again, innocent until proven guilty. There is a BIG difference between tax evasion and tax mitigation.

[dusred]

Again, innocent until proven guilty. There is a BIG difference between tax evasion and tax mitigation.

Innocent until proven guilty does not apply to the IRS.

Have you ever delt with them?

They show up at your door and say "prove that you paid all your income taxes in the last 7 years" and if you cant. . . well. . . you go to Jail. End of story.

[WDRacing]

Understand, I'm not saying they should get a pass. I think one of the biggest problems this country has is it's inability to prosecute people of fame and power. Where as the middle classes get the 14" sword handled dildo at every turn.

I'm just saying...

It's not surprising that people at every level of politics are involved in SOME type of illegal activity. If I happen to get the back of the POTUS at the same time because I am tired of the crap slinging...then so be it.

I'm not an opportunistic hater. I f I was, I'd have been all over the "f*** Bush" bandwagon like everyone else.

Can you link me to where you assaulted the Republican party with as much zeal as you do the Democrats? No...hater. I call it like I see it dude.