honda or nissan? o_O

[p1n0yb0yracer]

ok just a quick question...if someone dropped a B18C or a B16A in a 91 civic/crx si... and another person dropped a SR20 in a 89 240sx...who in your opinion would win in the 1/4? assuming they both kept each other's engine stock and also assuming the drivers both have equal driving skill...thanks for your input...

[MaineExport]

SR20DE... or SR20DET... BIG f'n difference!

[Nismo_Freak]

SR20DET would kill... keep in mind... the turbo engine may produce 205hp stock but it has a boosted powercurve because of the rising boost. A B18C or a B16A has to be near 5k to make any decent power/torque. If it where in a full interior car then I would expect the SR to pull the B16/18 especially in the higher gears where the low torque kills the Honda. Its not too rare to see a Hatch with a B20/H22/Tuned B18 running in the low 14s and 13s but those motors are tuned. Simply swapping a B18C into a Hatch with every nut and bolt left on it wouldnt be all too quick. I would guess a high 14 but a 15 is more viable.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

thanks for your opinions, one more question..which would be "wiser" to do for a working student? and i meant SR20DET

[Atom12]

Alright, I spent a bit of time crunching numbers and here's what I came up with:

240sx Fastback-2684 lbs. sr20det 205hp=13.72CRXsi-2174 lbs. b18C1 170hp=13.62I got all this by plugging these numbers into: http://www.rx7.org/Robinette/et.htm

[p1n0yb0yracer]

for exact numbers like that..all i have to say is "wow"

[MaineExport]

I figured you meant DET, I was just playing around! As far as a working student doing one or the other, the SR might be more expensive overall, and less reliable, but I'm no SR expert.

[Atom12]

Go to and save the link, it helps out a lot. Now it's not entirly accurate but pretty close to what a perfect run would yield.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

any1 else have an opnion on what to get as a poor little working student? B16A crx/civic si or SR20DET 240sx?

[p1n0yb0yracer]

thanks alot adam...just wondernig what about tourqe factors? and FWD RWD and 4WD factors?

[Atom12]

If you do go Honda, get the b18C1. The b16 still has no torque.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

anybody have a comparison of the honda and the nissan cost-wise..with numbers? how bout a 91civic si H22a with NOS (50shot) o_O and a moderately tuned 240sx SR20DET (exhaust and intake..simple bolt-on stuff...)

[Atom12]

Well torque is more important than hp anyway. But if you're looking for tq get a big block Chevy. I have an EG Civic, with a b18C1 en route, but I want an s14 240. RWD+Torque=fishtails and donuts hehehe. Obviously FWD is going to give you a bit of torque steer. It's all up to you. Personally I like my Honda, but I grew up driving American Iron (All RWD) and can't drive (in the twisties) a FWD for s***. I can't break the rear loose, I just push through the turns and sometimes off course. Plus, I really miss standing still, lighting up the rear tires and doing a 0 degree 180. So needless to say the next thing I'm saving for is a 240.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

woooo i got hubcaps! i'm big ballen...

[Atom12]

Any kind of forced induction on an H22 is suicide. From what I've seen, it's going to melt down with N2O, supercharger or turbo. The open block design is even weaker than the b series. Plus you will put holes in the pistons with any form of FI. b18C1!

[p1n0yb0yracer]

ooohh..didnt' know that about the H22...and here i thought i was a honda freak =X

[p1n0yb0yracer]

how much does a full B18C1 swap into a 91 civic cost? just wondering... engine cost..labor...etc... and about how much does a SR20DET cost parts in labor in CA

[Daunttless]

Depends on where you go. With a S13...assuming average price.

$2500 for the car$2500 for the S13 SR20 complete$120 Intake$500 exhaust$150 downpipe$129 Fuel Pump$100 Belts, hoses and such$1500 labor

Optional$100 Manual Boost Control OR$400 Electronic Boost Control$800-1000 FMIC$250 BOV$300 Clutch

Thats some pretty standard stuff.

[Atom12]

b18C1 figure $3300. It's not a direct swap into the EF chassis so you'll have to plunk down additional $$ for a swap kit (Motor mounts) from Hasport or Place Racing. Wiring is also an issue, so figure more headaches and money. If you're not doing the wrench work yourself it's going to cost $1000 or so labor. Listen, I'm a Honda guy on a Nissan board so you can see which way I'm starting to lean (240sx here I come) But if you're going to do a Honda swap, get a 5th Gen. EG civic (92'-95') and drop a same Gen. b18C1 (Integra GSR) into it because it's a direct swap (no need for motor mounts). I don't want to get into all the issues because it's the wrong board, but I can say that keeping a swap, any swap, as simple as you can is the best way to go. Trying to jump generations with swaps is really a bad idea unless you are immune to headaches. Not that I reccomend it but here is a link to Hasport. http://hasport.com/ They have the kit you would needfor the aforementioned swap.

[Atom12]

Oh, and listen to Daunttless, he really knows his stuff. :thumbup My hero :pface

[p1n0yb0yracer]

ey adam..just wondering how much does a EG wiegh? wow dauntless posted on my thread =X i feel special...

[Atom12]

I tried to cut and paste the exact weights of all the models but it didn't work so here's an approximation: Hatch-2100 to 2300lbs Coupe-2300 to 2500lbs A little heavier than the 4th Gen but still purdy light.

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/sp...c=vip <---another useful link to save;)

[I H8 UR DSM]

ey adam..just wondering how much does a EG wiegh? wow dauntless posted on my thread =X i feel special...

:rolleyes

[Drift Machine]

if you want to go honda, don't get a 91. Get a 92, becuase then you won't have to buy a conversion kit to drop in a B18 or anyother honda engine, it virtually just bolts into place(only the B series). But if you are planning on doing any tuning to the engine after you put it in, make sure you get the B18C1 and not the B18C5, becuase the B18C5 has a high compression ratio.

[tiki240]

honda would probably win the 1/4 but the 240 would kill eventually.

[I H8 UR DSM]

http://www.b20vtec.com

honda wont win unless its in a crx, or forced induction, or loads of internal work done to it.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

Just wondering..what number of posts do i need to get past hubcaps...

[p1n0yb0yracer]

i know i'm going to get made fun of and critized for asking this question...but umm..what does FMIC stand for? my excuse for askign such a retarded question is that i'm a lil high school kid hopeing someday to have a 12second street car

[s14=pimpin']

FMIC - front mount intercooler

I would personally take the 240 w/sr over any civic w/a b series motor. Maybe in a short straight line the honda will win, but go take some turns and I'm sure the 240 will prevail. Also, if you want to hit the 12 second mark, I think it will be cheaper and more reliable to make the SR motor hit that mark, I could be mistaken, but I know there is a lot of $$$ involved in turboing a honda engine. Unless you wanted to go all motor, which again will cost major scratch.

Also RWD is WAY more fun, and the 240 looks alot better than ANY civic, IMO. And what can possibly replace the sound of a blow off valve?

but if you do get the honda, make sure to buy alot of stickers, or else it just won't fit in

[p1n0yb0yracer]

thanks =) anybody know of a shop that can do SR swaps in nor cal? aroudn the bay area? like san fransisco san jose, oakland, aruodn there...