honda or nissan? o_O

[Daunttless]

Actually, a FWD car can handle extremely well in the corners with a good driver, just as it can handle extremely poorly with a bad driver. Unfortunately, the same logic applies to RWD. : ) There are quite a lot of race circuits were civics own.

Personally RWD is, as s14 said, way, way more fun. I also think that civics are ugly, so that weighs into my decision too. I don't really like the looks of any hondas, oh well, no big loss there. : )

As far as asking retarded questions, the question isn't really retarded, there unfortunately are no archives yet for people to yell at you to search thru. : ) There haven't been very many posts. Feel free to ask anything, its just when you keep asking the same question, and getting the same answer, and asking the same question, that things get annoying. : ) Most of us don't mind answering all sorts of questions.

The prices I quoted were a bit on the high side for everything, it can be done much cheaper than that, it just depends on where you go, and its always better to plan for spending a lot, so you have a lot, so when it costs less you're happy, or when you have problems you can fix them. : )

Also, as Jesse said unless its a highly, highly modified honda against a basically stock SR20, the SR20 is going to win. Of course, this is taking out of context driver skill and everything.

Weigh on a 240SX is going to run about 2300-2550 stripped, or 2700-2900 full. I noticed that all that were put up were honda weights.

Good luck! I'd give you advice but I'm biased and you're the one who has to drive the car around. : ) Enjoy your day!

[p1n0yb0yracer]

how bout a SR20DET in a EG civic:eek: possible or wha?

[p1n0yb0yracer]

hmm...my friend showed me a picture of something like this..e-mail me if you wanna see =)

[Daunttless]

You could put a GTi-R or Bluebird SR20DET in a civic, they're AWD/FWD. I don't know how difficult the swap would be, and it would be sacreligous to most people on this board. : )

[boMex]

I'm not sure but I think it was Atom12 who said the H22 couldn't be run with a turbo or supercharger.......what rock have you been hiding under??? And you call yourself a honda guy??? Chances are you think complex, adjustable engine management is a an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. And who was it that said that torque was more important than horsepower??? Did you just happen to miss your physics lecture? Too busy sniffing the fumes from your rusty 'ol Camaro??? Horsepower is calculated from torque. Hmmmmm think of all those slow torqueless cars with high hp ratings. S2000, Integra Type R and GS-R, NSX, Civic SiR, Celica GT-S the list goes on.......I really don't want to continue on with this train of thought but I end with this "If you don't know ****e about what your talking about. Shut the f@ck up.

[boMex]

Blah ...sorry about the last post. It just really steams me when I see a newbie getting bogus info from somebody who doesn't know squat about the cars their talking about.

[boMex]

I would also like to apologize to anyone I pissed off....Hey newbie go with what you can afford and what you like. As for me I firmly believe that any, I repeat ANY, car can be fast if you spend enough money and time on it. A civic would be the best choice if this is your first swap, unless your really confident. The 240sx just doesn't have the aftermarket support that the Honda's enjoy, making it much harder to find the parts oyu want.

[Atom12]

H22 IS Honda's weakest engine ask anyone who has tried forced induction! The pistons develop holes very quickly and the open deck lets the cylinder walls move. You probably think that's a good thing. You can put a turbo on one, but good luck without a major investment in block reinforcement. In acceleration TORQUE is the force that is moving you forward. You are right HP is a calculation of torque but it's really not an accurate discription of force. As for those "FAST" cars you mentioned, I suppose low 14's is "FAST". None of the cars you mentioned is fast by my definition. Celica? come on! So TORQUE, my clueless friend is more important than HP. You should probably pick up a wrench once in a while and put down the "Import Tuner" rag that's telling you Integra Type R's are fast.....14 sec 1/4 mile? you're an idiot.

[boMex]

Oh. I'm sorry I thought you were talking about serious turbo installs, not some chump who tries to run 25 psi with the stock bottom end. Most cars require the bottom end to be strengthened when a serious turbo is installed. I will admit the H22 is no 4G63 but your original comment was to the effect of "the H22 can't be blown successfully" which is absolute Bull s***. Now for the last part of your post. If your reprobate theory about torque holds true then the Chevy Cavalier Z24 is faster than the type R because it not only has more displacement but also more torque. Or how about the Golf TDI it has a s*** load of low down mean @$$ torque. So by your thoery it's faster than the type R right????? I put down the Import Tuner a long time ago in favor of more serious mags. P.S. 14sec 1/4 for a 1.8L I4 engine is nothing to be ashamed about.

[I H8 UR DSM]

if your just looking for a fast drag car, do a crx, w/ motor swap +turbo, and ur set..cheap easy, and fast

[FrEaK]

See here's the thing... instead of following the line... be unique try a differen't car other than a honda or a nissan for that matter... people will look longer at you than if you had a civic... also remember you can drift easily with a rear wheel drive car which opens up greater possibilities than a FWD car........ dont think Honda... think different... you'll be surprised how many people become interested... and you might even start a trend...

[Atom12]

It is possible to go FI on any motor. It is just not fiscally prudent to tubocharge an H22. It will cost $6000 just for the safgaurds. Pistons, rods, block gaurd or re-sleeve, balancing the bottom end, all add up to $$$. You think I'm pointing the new guy in the wrong direction? Are you going to help him do all of this? I'm not going to hold his hand while he's got his motor in the shop for block reinforcment. Anything over 7psi IS suicide on an untouched H22. In reading your rebuttle, it has become clear to me that you don't know too much about cars. The Cavalier's s.4 liter 4 is rated at 150hp/110 lbs-ft (Not quite the torque monster you make it ou to be) The beloved b18C5 is rated at 195hp/130 lbs-ft. The Chevy is also 2800 lbs while the Integra is only 2550. The reason the Acura wins has more to do with TORQUE and a big weight advantage, than HP. Instead of trying to flame me (which you arn't having much luck at) you should do some research.PS 14 seconds in the 1/4 mi is not repectable, it's middle of the pack. The reason the formidable Celica and the God like Type R run in the 14's is because they only make their power after 5000 RPM. You cannot keep the car in the sweet spot of the powerband all the way down the track. Honda tried by putting a 6-speed on the type R but it still runs 14's because it lacks torque.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

anybody else have ideas for low cost yet high speed cars? other then the civic or 89 240... i was thinkin older gen mr-2s..85-89 or the AE86 corolla? *shrugs* i know nothing about those...or DSMs...

[FrEaK]

at least your thinking outside the box

[p1n0yb0yracer]

anybody know a good honda,AE86, or DSM board?

[boMex]

Alright Atom, I'll make this short and sweet. http://www.chevrolet.com/caval...s.htmThe Z24 with the 2.2L Ecotec produces 140hp and 150 lbs-ft and weighs 2617 lbs. acording to GM's own data. The 2.4L posted similar numbers but was less fuel efficient. I agree with the figures you gave for the type R. So the huge weight advantage held by the type R is all of 67 lbs. and the Z24 makes 20 lbs.-ft more than the type R. Most of the things you said about me in your last post seem to pertain more to yourself then to me. P.S. I've taken sh!ts that know more about cars than you.P.S.S. I'm not gonna flame you anymore. I'm too busy holding some newbies hand while he gets his block re-sleeved.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

arguin on who helped the newb more.. haha... :rolleyes

[boMex]

Hey man don't know it the noob has sweaty hands

[p1n0yb0yracer]

-newb doesn't get the sweaty hands part... lol... i'm not that much of a newb to nissans..i went to a old MK1 mr-2 board didn't know wut da fl0oheezy they were talking about

[boMex]

It was a reference to an earlier post where the comment was made that I might hold your hand while your car was worked on.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

ah i get it lol...i'm not slow! i'm special...

[boMex]

It's all cool...what did you think of the flame war between me and Atom12?

[p1n0yb0yracer]

i'm staying out..intellectual war..=X that means i should stay out before i hurt my head...lol..both you guys know more about cars then i do... so i can't really say who's ahead of who hehe... more u guys flame the more info i get so i have nothing against it really...

[p1n0yb0yracer]

wow my first thread and it's 4 pages long! bwahaha...

[boMex]

Well to figure out who's full of s*** just check out the info. When I post and someone calls me on something I back it up with links to reputable sites with accurate info. Can the other guy say the same?

[p1n0yb0yracer]

i hate taking sides =X because you both helped me alot =/

[p1n0yb0yracer]

what in the world is a JWT pop charger?

[boMex]

More inline with your original post. Both the Honda and the Nissan are good cars. I own a 1989 civic with a ZC swap and a couple of bolt on mods and I just bought the Nissan in my signature. Pick it up on saturday....guess that's today now.

[boMex]

It's an air filter sold by Jim Wolf Technology http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/ Kinda like a K&N Filter charger

[p1n0yb0yracer]

i suppose i'll have to be like every other racer and start out with a civic and work my way up... my friend get's to start out with a 95 RX-7 TT out of sheer luck:mad: