honda or nissan? o_O

[boMex]

The Civic is a great car to start with. Probably a little less fickle than the Nissan. Take a look at Sport Compact Car Magazine for a tight build up of a civic with a B16 swap. or try http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com

[p1n0yb0yracer]

oh yea..the lucky mofos car comes with an Apexi N1 exhaust..and it's lowered with rims and a wing...and a turbo timer...

[boMex]

wings suck...fight the power

[p1n0yb0yracer]

foe me wing=downforce... on civic downforce on the back is pretty pointless yea...=P wing on civic =rice...:rolleyes

[boMex]

unless your racing solo I on a high speed track downforce really don't mean s***.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

i am outsmarted once agen...

[Daunttless]

Or pushing 160 miles per hour in your stock FD. : ) Then a wing is nice.

Also, as I said before, don't listen to us on tastes, everyone has a different taste, as is apparent by all the discussion. Do what you can afford, and what will make you happy. You are the one who has to drive around in it, you are the one working on it, putting the time into it. If you want a civic, get a civic, and if anyone calls you a ricer tell them to go **** themselves. : ) Its as simple as that, if you want a 240, get a 240, if you want a FC, get a FC ( I've a got a nice one for sale by the way : ) or a MKIII Supra Turbo ( I"ve got a nice one of those for sale too : ), or buy a AE86 ( just make sure and get the 84-87ish Corolla GTS ) or whatever is your style, and makes you happy. Shop around for a bit. As far as a DSM, they make cheap, easy, but unreliable power. I'd say get a 240 or a civic for your first car, I'd stay away from a RX-7 until you have a good understanding of the principles of rotary ( your friend is probably going to blow up his car ). Its as simple as that, test drive everything you can and find out if you like it. : )

[p1n0yb0yracer]

if i told him that about his RX-7 he might believe me because i'm the only one out of my friends that sits and reads about cars all day...orrr he'll jez think i'm jealous and tell me to f*** off...haha...

[p1n0yb0yracer]

why are DSMs unreliable? could you explain that to me please dauntless

[Daunttless]

Why do rotary's blow up? : ) They just do for the most part, its the way they were made.

Same with DSMs and reliability, some are reliable, some just break down. I know lots of guys who swear by the fact theirs never goes to the shop, and I know others who b**** and moan because theres is never OUT of the shop. : ) A first gen eclipse probably has the most reliable motor of the bunch, but isn't real pretty. The 2nd gen looks the best, but over half have some major crankwalk issues. : ) They just plain aren't reliable, its the way the engine was designed.

[p1n0yb0yracer]

what is crankwalk? sorry i'm asking newb questions..but hey that's what i am..if you want me to shut-up with the quesitons just say so =P

[Daunttless]

Nah, questions are a good thing. : )

Crank walk is due to the improper machining of the crank on the 2nd gen eclipses. It can happen to any car, but usually doesn't happen for a long, long time, on DSMs, it can happen right after the warranty has expired. : ) Basically, crankwalk is when the crank starts to move around in its chamber. This is not good, because the crank is what is pushing your rods and pistons around. On 2nd gen eclipses, and all eclipses for that matter except the new ones which aren't DSM anymore, the crank was improperly machined, giving it room to jiggle in its chamber. This jiggling doesn't seem like much, but over time at 8000 RPM the vibration wears away at the walls of the chamber and the crank starts to move around as its spinning. Well, the problem with this is as its moving around, its stretching and pulling and bending the rods, which in turn are putting stress on the pistons. This eventually ( doesn't really take that long ) leads to catastrophic engine failure. Not exactly the best thing for your engine. : ) Anything I wasn't clear on?

[p1n0yb0yracer]

yay.. precice and thourough hail dauntless! i'm guessing i'm going to start witha civic and move up to a 240sx...because according to some hook-ups i have i can get a civic done for free or dirt cheap...

[p1n0yb0yracer]

hey dauntless..how old are you? how do you know so much about cars

[Daunttless]

Whatever makes you happy. : )

[Daunttless]

I'm young. : )

[br2819]

there is nothing wrong with hondas. i have a prelude andjust bought a 240 which is still waiting to get painted. my buddy had a civic with a b16 and that thing hauled a**. vtec kicked in at 4500 and pulled all the way to 9000 and then some. he said it would probably run high 12's or low 13's so don't let anyone tell you it ca't be done.:thumbup

[p1n0yb0yracer]

i was just at an AE86 forum..lol all they cna do is trash talk about hondas... funny how stupid they were... i heard thes statements "i heard that the SOHC is twin cam is that true" hahahhaha... and.. "the EG hatchback weighs in about 3000 LBS" and somebody had the nerve to say "isn't the hatchback heavier than the coupe?" jesus.. :rolleyes

[Daunttless]

The AE86 and the EG6 are huge rivals. : ) Its requisite to hate civics as a AE86 owner unless you're Takumi, then you can just hate the ***holes who drive them. : )

[S13Fastback]

Dude, did you ever think about a 1st gen CRX Si? 86-87 models weigh in at about 1950lbs.The stock power isnt incredible (91hp@5500rpm,93lb-ft@4500rpm)but with a turbo and very little tuning you can run low 14s-13s all day long and get 35mpg.Not to mention you can grab them for less than $1500 and they have a very successful history in autocross.Check one out,I love my 240 but I'd kill to still have my CRX.

[APEXi240]

My friend has an EG6 with an Integra LS motor, and that thing rips, it is by no means fast, but its faster than my S14. Honda makes a great car, but the bottom line is its still not RWD. Even driving his car....which is nice....I still like mine better, and don't really intend on ever getting a FWD car again. Plus, for me anyway, my Nissans have been just as reliable, if not more so, than many of my friends Hondas (and are so much better than any American cars they have, or any other car for that matter). So getting back to what you choose, I'd go with a 240, simply because they have more power stock, and you don't have to do a swap to have any kind of fun.

[skydragoness]

Nissan powered-rwd rules, except for snow, i wish i had $ for a 2nd car, I'd get a fwd NX 2000 or some type of Subaru, namely, a 2.5 RS (first gen Scoob styling rules)

[p1n0yb0yracer]

hasport has motor mounts for 1g CRX/civic that allows you to place in a B series motor =D

[p1n0yb0yracer]

there is nothing wrong with hondas. i have a prelude andjust bought a 240 which is still waiting to get painted. my buddy had a civic with a b16 and that thing hauled a**. vtec kicked in at 4500 and pulled all the way to 9000 and then some. he said it would probably run high 12's or low 13's so don't let anyone tell you it ca't be done.:thumbup

What did he have done to the B16? and what type of civic? EG? hatchback?

[Daunttless]

I still think you should go for the 240, cruise on up to Iowa and I"ll take care of you. : )

[p1n0yb0yracer]

freebies huh daunt? don't know how i'm going to get to Iowa..kinda far from california...

[Daunttless]

Nah, no freebies, but I'll try to make it worth your trip. : )

[FrEaK]

I've seen a turbo Ka run 11's... and prolly cost half as much as a civic engine swap

[p1n0yb0yracer]

umm i know this might be a stupid question too..but the KA is the stock engine in the 240sx right?

[Daunttless]

89-90 Single Overhead Cam 2.4 Litre Inline 4 - KA24E91-98 Dual Overhead Cam 2.4 Litre Inline 4 - KA24DE