Has the NAACP outlived its usefulness?

[themadscientist]

I honestly don't know how I get through the day. Between oppressing minorities, gays, women, guys with SR20s, etc, this blue-eyed devil is busier than a mofo.

[rjdmmfl1]

My doctor is Black.

He serves the upper-middle class, predominantly White population of the suburb I reside in.

Next time I'm in for a checkup, I'll ask him why he didn't choose to go back to treat the people in his old neighborhood.

I'm not sure where this statement came from... in no way did I imply that minorities had to serve their communities... what I said was that many of them, especially the ones that go into primary care, go back and serve their communities. This is a fact! But in now way do they HAVE to do this!

If you were my doctor I'd be constantly wondering if you took a more qualified Asian's place at John Hopkins.

What happened to letting the cream (of any color) rise to the top?

well, that's a question that many folks would probably wonder... however, the fact that you made that statement shows that you have not read this thread thoroughly. I'm assuming that you meant that in regards to my final statement in the quote regarding affirmative action programs, however that can only be understood after reading the earlier quotes regarding what types of programs I was involved in. If your statement was somehow meant to imply that I'm not as qualified as some of my classmates, I can only state that I know exactly what the GPA and test score averages are for students matriculating into Johns Hopkins, and all of my stats were above the Hopkins average (and Harvard, Yale, Baylor, Duke, Emory, U. of Miami, Washington University, MeHarry). I don't need to list my resumé for the likes of you to answer your question, but I assure you they are as impressive if not more impressive than any doctor you have ever gone to in your life....

oh yeah, and its Johns Hopkins, not John Hopkins... and for the record, I was accepted into EVERY medical school I applied to... you should pray that any doctor you see has half of my credentials, work ethic, and achievements!

But charlie, you gotta understand - Because of the color of their skin, they just CAN'T get a fair shake... "The Man" is keeping us down!

/sarcasm

+1 for letting the most qualified candidate have the spot. Regardless of their background, race, ethnicity, handicap or privilege.

actually, if admission to medica school were PURELY based on test scores, then whites would be a minority in medical school and in the medical profession... the fact of the matter is that Asians have the highest test scores and GPA of all students applying to medical school... but acceptance is based on more than just standardized tests and GPA. If it weren't, and Asians domnitated the ranks of medicine like they would do under your scenario, then conservatives would SURELY be upset about the under-representation of whites in medicine, since all of the spots would be consumed by Asian students.

I honestly don't know how I get through the day. Between oppressing minorities, gays, women, guys with SR20s, etc, this blue-eyed devil is busier than a mofo.

+1 cool point for tasteful sarcasm

[AZhitman]

I don't need to list my resumé for the likes of you to answer your question

Whatchoo mean, "you people"?

[themadscientist]

What you (and myself as well ) mean "you people"



Let's all just chill and kick back a frosty bootysweat.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

well, that's a question that many folks would probably wonder... however, the fact that you made that statement shows that you have not read this thread thoroughly. I'm assuming that you meant that in regards to my final statement in the quote regarding affirmative action programs, however that can only be understood after reading the earlier quotes regarding what types of programs I was involved in. If your statement was somehow meant to imply that I'm not as qualified as some of my classmates, I can only state that I know exactly what the GPA and test score averages are for students matriculating into Johns Hopkins, and all of my stats were above the Hopkins average (and Harvard, Yale, Baylor, Duke, Emory, U. of Miami, Washington University, MeHarry). I don't need to list my resumé for the likes of you to answer your question, but I assure you they are as impressive if not more impressive than any doctor you have ever gone to in your life....

oh yeah, and its Johns Hopkins, not John Hopkins... and for the record, I was accepted into EVERY medical school I applied to... you should pray that any doctor you see has half of my credentials, work ethic, and achievements!

My comment still stands.

Matriculating. Feel good after using that?

[hannibal]

If you were my doctor I'd be constantly wondering if you took a more qualified Asian's place at John Hopkins.

Shouldn't you "wonder" this about any doctor, not just a Black doctor?

What happened to letting the cream (of any color) rise to the top?

I totally support this idea. But we gotta start with the same milk. You cant expect to get the same cream from different milk. Don't give some cream makers watered down milk and expect the end product to be as tasty as cream made from whole milk.

You could argue that we're each responsible for own our milk. I would agree with that. But if someone is constantly adding water as I milk my cow, how can my cream compete? Whether legal or not, people still pour water into others' milk. I believe its rediculous to compare the end product (cream) without considering the input (milk).

The purpose of AA and similar programs is NOT to give everyone the same cream. It recognizes that everyone starts with different milk. If my cream made from my 2% milk is as nearly as good as your cream made from whole milk, that shows that I'm an above average cream maker. Imagine the cream I could make with your whole milk. These programs account for the discrepancy in the input, and focus on the process (the ability to turn milk into cream).

Please examine the milk as vigorously as you examine the cream. It seems really naive to question the difference in cream without looking at the milk. The watered down milk is from where the problem arises...

Sorry for the rediculous analogy, but hopefully my point will get thru.

[sensibleS13driver]

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[Urabus GodofTraction]

I totally support this idea. But we gotta start with the same milk. You cant expect to get the same cream from different milk. Don't give some cream makers watered down milk and expect the end product to be as tasty as cream made from whole milk.

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

We all get the same milk. Every citizen or national in the United States is equal in the eyes of the nation.

Some people leave their milk out to spoil. Others churn it to butter.

By your logic, there should be an affirmative action in education to make the intelligence of a college population match the Bell Curve.

Shouldn't you "wonder" this about any doctor, not just a Black doctor?

Of course. Many people have perceived advantages over another. However, affirmative action is the government meddling in qualifications, and that's what we're talking about.

[AZhitman]

^ ...and THAT is why, despite the occasional desire to kick him square in the junk, we keep charlieo around.

Solid post, friend.

[USsil80]

By your logic, there should be an affirmative action in education to make the intelligence of a college population match the Bell Curve.

IIRC there was a lawsuit against a college becouse the beter student didn't get in.. the college had to keep the percentages correct or they would have lost funding... happened in one of the norther colleges

[rjdmmfl1]

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

We all get the same milk. Every citizen or national in the United States is equal in the eyes of the nation.

Some people leave their milk out to spoil. Others churn it to butter.

By your logic, there should be an affirmative action in education to make the intelligence of a college population match the Bell Curve.

Of course. Many people have perceived advantages over another. However, affirmative action is the government meddling in qualifications, and that's what we're talking about.

surely this is a joke right... yes, the declaration of independence stated this, but then, in the same breath, the framers of the constitution decided that blacks would only count for 3/5 of a person in a compromise over representation in Congress... ahh yes, that sounds equal to me... and so do the years of Jim Crow laws, seperate and "unequal" schools, etc. that came to follow. Blacks just got the right to vote 5 decades ago... sorry dude, but this post fails in its attempt to portray America as a nation founded on equal principles!

IIRC there was a lawsuit against a college becouse the beter student didn't get in.. the college had to keep the percentages correct or they would have lost funding... happened in one of the norther colleges

I'm assuming you are speaking of the University of Michigan's unfair admissions policy. That was the worst type of affirmative action... simply giving minorities extra points to start off with because they were black... that IS reverse discrimination... and if anyone has actual paid attention to my posts, they would know that I have never stated that I support this type of program...

Whatchoo mean, "you people"?

I understand your attempt at humor, however, adding words to make your point = FAIL! the statement "for the likes of you" was meant to be directed at Charlieo and anyone else that makes the ignorant assumption of someone's qualifications based off of appearance only

My comment still stands.

Matriculating. Feel good after using that?

Well your comment can stand outside, around the corner, and down the street for all I care... I'm far too comfortable in my abilities and achievements to have to list them to you for your approval... far more intelligent folks than you at Harvard, Hopkins, Yale, and every other school I was accepted to gave me their stamp of approval... your stamp is worthless to me...

And if the use of the word "matriculating" provides you with a platform for ridicule, then so be it... its a word I've been using since you were in middle school... your posts appear to be rooted in a rather personal annoyance by my success... if that's the case, I guess you won't congratulate me on successfully defending my PhD thesis last week.. its ok buddy, really it is... somehow, we have gotten far off track of the original purpose of this thread...

[AZhitman]

the statement "for the likes of you" was meant to be directed at Charlieo and anyone else that makes the ignorant assumption of someone's qualifications based off of appearance only

...and I find it equally ignorant to make assumptions about someone's "hardships" and their need for organized intervention and assistance, based only upon their appearance.

[AZhitman]

That was the worst type of affirmative action... simply giving minorities extra points to start off with because they were black... that IS reverse discrimination... and if anyone has actual paid attention to my posts, they would know that I have never stated that I support this type of program...

Despite my disagreement with you on the original point of this thread, I DO appreciate and support your position here - I don't think any sane person would validate such a program. Unfortunately, many still do.

In fact, I'd be eager to hear the NAACP's "official" position on this - Although I fear it would be "sanitized" for publication. My bet is there's a "GOB Network" within that organization as well, and one would be foolish to think otherwise - it's the nature of organizations.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

surely this is a joke right... yes, the declaration of independence stated this, but then, in the same breath, the framers of the constitution decided that blacks would only count for 3/5 of a person in a compromise over representation in Congress... ahh yes, that sounds equal to me... and so do the years of Jim Crow laws, seperate and "unequal" schools, etc. that came to follow. Blacks just got the right to vote 5 decades ago... sorry dude, but this post fails in its attempt to portray America as a nation founded on equal principles!

Well your comment can stand outside, around the corner, and down the street for all I care... I'm far too comfortable in my abilities and achievements to have to list them to you for your approval... far more intelligent folks than you at Harvard, Hopkins, Yale, and every other school I was accepted to gave me their stamp of approval... your stamp is worthless to me...

And if the use of the word "matriculating" provides you with a platform for ridicule, then so be it... its a word I've been using since you were in middle school... your posts appear to be rooted in a rather personal annoyance by my success... if that's the case, I guess you won't congratulate me on successfully defending my PhD thesis last week.. its ok buddy, really it is... somehow, we have gotten far off track of the original purpose of this thread...

Hi. I'm Jewish (by ancestry). You can save your "oppressed people" speech, we win.

I'm no pop-cikewlagist, but your constant defending of your credentials tells me you're LESS than comfortable with your achievements and do crave the admiration of myself and others. But then again, I'm not the one that went to Johns Hopkins or got accepted to Harvard and Yale (oh wait! I did those last two!)...

Annoyed at your personal success? I'm EXACTLY were I want to be and consider myself a MASSIVE success. If you want to roll percentages on who's doing a more elite occupation, I welcome it.

Back on topic: If you're so successful, aren't you a shining example that Americans are equal and anyone can do anything they want?

^ ...and THAT is why, despite the occasional desire to kick him square in the junk, we keep charlieo around.

Solid post, friend.

I'm not your fwend, pal!

Modified by charlieo at 10:47 PM 5/28/2009
Modified by charlieo at 10:50 PM 5/28/2009

[HashiriyaS14]

Annoyed at your personal success? I'm EXACTLY were I want to be and consider myself a MASSIVE success. If you want to roll percentages on who's doing a more elite occupation, I welcome it.

^^What the hell DO you do, anyway?

I'm not insinuating that it isn't interesting/worthwhile, on the contrary I'm expecting it to be pretty neat. I'm just curious.

[rjdmmfl1]

Hi. I'm Jewish (by ancestry). You can save your "oppressed people" speech, we win.

I'm no pop-cikewlagist, but your constant defending of your credentials tells me you're LESS than comfortable with your achievements and do crave the admiration of myself and others. But then again, I'm not the one that went to Johns Hopkins or got accepted to Harvard and Yale (oh wait! I did those last two!)...

Annoyed at your personal success? I'm EXACTLY were I want to be and consider myself a MASSIVE success. If you want to roll percentages on who's doing a more elite occupation, I welcome it.

Back on topic: If you're so successful, aren't you a shining example that Americans are equal and anyone can do anything they want?

I'm not your fwend, pal!

you, like many others here, appear to have a difficult time reading through a passage and understanding the writer's intent. My statement regarding treatment of African Americans in this country was written as a rebuttal of your attempts to portray this country as a nation based on equal rights... that is simply not the case, not just for blacks, but for every minority group (especially immigrants) that has lived in this country.

In that light, this statement

We all get the same milk. Every citizen or national in the United States is equal in the eyes of the nation.

is a joke! You can't tell me we start with the same milk when, from the outset in the constitution, it clearly states that my cup was 3/5 full !

Regarding me and my career, your ignorant statements about whether or not I took some more qualified Asian's position is what prompted my response. Not once have I listed a single credential, and as I stated, I don't have to.

Regarding elite occupations, what you or anyone else does with their lives / careers has absolutely no bearing on me and my chosen career path. Success is defined by the individual, and has different meanings for different people. Therefore, no one can ever truly make the claim that they are more successful than someone else. I personally don't define success financially, I define it as setting goals and achieving those goals... As such, I would not attempt to de-value someone else's accomplishments/occupation/personal success, regardless of what I am doing with my career. None of us should!

[AZhitman]

is a joke! You can't tell me we start with the same milk when, from the outset in the constitution, it clearly states that my cup was 3/5 full !

Really? You were denied the right to vote? REALLY?

I'm disgusted by this. I'm disgusted by your disrespect for those who fought and bled for your right to vote (and other rights)...

I think you're just happy being a victim. Someday you'll stand in a room with the REAL victims - I think they'll turn their backs on you for not appreciating what they endured (and CHANGED).

Next thing we know, you'll pull a Whoopi Goldberg and imply someone's trying to return you to slavery.

that is simply not the case, not just for blacks, but for every minority group (especially immigrants) that has lived in this country

Nope - You can't have this ground anymore, you conceded it... You conceded it when you discounted and pooh-poohed the injustices and hardships and discrimination against non-Black immigrants (such as my Pops, and countless others) - If you'll remember, you pointed out that they didn't have it as bad, because they could "hide" their identity.

you, like many others here, appear to have a difficult time reading through a passage and understanding the writer's intent.

Maybe you're just not that good at conveying a message. Or, you're just wrong.

p.s. Hey Charlieo - I'm Armenian. Checkmate.

[rjdmmfl1]

Really? You were denied the right to vote? REALLY?

I'm disgusted by this. I'm disgusted by your disrespect for those who fought and bled for your right to vote (and other rights)...

I think you're just happy being a victim. Someday you'll stand in a room with the REAL victims - I think they'll turn their backs on you for not appreciating what they endured (and CHANGED).

Charlieo stated that everyone starts off with the same cup of milk, my responses were simply putting that historically inaccurate comment in the proper light. I'm not sure why you are so disgusted. If I'm making the argument that this country has a long history of NOT viewing everyone as being equal, then I can use any part of this country's history to support that argument. I never stated I didn't have the right to vote... and what victims in what room are you speaking of... I keep telling you I'm from the south, and have had numerous conversations with my grandparents and parents of what growing up in the south was like in the 50's and 60's. How is me citing the racist history of this county disrespectful to their struggle... you're way off base here Greg. I'm not comparing what I go through today with what they went through. And who's playing the victim? I don't think you'll find a single post where I state "the man is holding me down"... I'm too progressive for that type of thinking, and I wish more people were also...I work hard and study hard, and feel privaleged to be here I am, you're just wayyy off base on stating I like playing the victim.

Racism exists Greg, I didn't create it. Discrimnation exists, I didn't create that either. What I have done/ will continue to do is look at areas where I can make a difference and put my efforts into that... recognizing the history of racism and dwelling on it are two diffeent things!

Nope - You can't have this ground anymore, you conceded it... You conceded it when you discounted and pooh-poohed the injustices and hardships and discrimination against non-Black immigrants (such as my Pops, and countless others) - If you'll remember, you pointed out that they didn't have it as bad, because they could "hide" their identity.

I have never stated that immigrants haven't been discriminated against. My summary of that point was that certain folks, who are open to discrimination, can hide behind teir skin color (to no fault of their on) and blend in with the general population. Say you have some ignorant, backwoods guy that hates all non "blue blooded" Americans (whatever that statement means). And say he equally hates Armenians, Jews, and blacks... but , as ignorant as he is, he can't quite tell that an individual is Armenian or Jewish due to their impeccable mastery of the english language.. in his eyes, you or Charlie are just as white as he is and he has no problem with you... until he inds our you're a decendant if immigrants, at which time his biggotry is shown. However, there would have been no delay in that response with me... the second he saw me, his disapproval would show through... i'm not saying this exact scenario happens, I'm simply stating that variation of this can occur every day. If you can't see the logic in that, well then there's not uch more I can say there.

Maybe you're just not that good at conveying a message. Or, you're just wrong.

I would be careful making claims of right or wrong. In a debate, no one is necessarily right or wrong, they may just have different views.


Modified by rjdmmfl1 at 12:19 PM 5/29/2009

[hannibal]

First, congrats to Dr. Drummond!

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Are you serious?

If you believe quoting that makes it an accurate account of what has happened in this country before, during, or after it was first written, you are fooling yourself.

Really? You were denied the right to vote? REALLY?

I'm disgusted by this. I'm disgusted by your disrespect for those who fought and bled for your right to vote (and other rights)...

You say good post Charlie, then bring up the right to vote? If that quote was/is so telling of our country, why were two amendments needed to "clarify" that women and people of color had the right to vote?

Then you imply that Dr. D has somehow disrepected those that helped bring idea of all men being equal into practice. YOU have disrepected their efforts by suggesting that quote bears any resemblence to history, and saying their blood, sweat, and tears shed while fighting for the right to vote was unnecessary.

But now I guess it makes sense. If you dont understand the conditions in ths country when that quote was first written, then you cannot understand the impact of groups like the NAACP. You would not be able to consider what they have accomplished, or clearly even what they were fighting for. You couldnt see how far we've come.

In addition, you may not be able to see the faulty mentality of someone signing his name to that quote, while owning slaves and being married to a women who couldnt vote. This would limit your ability to realize this same mentality may still exist in our country.

Without recognizing some people still think like that, you may question whether discrimination still exisits today. It would then be difficult to see why civil rights groups still have a purpose and the issues theyre arguing against.

I think you're just happy being a victim. Someday you'll stand in a room with the REAL victims - I think they'll turn their backs on you for not appreciating what they endured (and CHANGED).

Next thing we know, you'll pull a Whoopi Goldberg and imply someone's trying to return you to slavery.

Where did this come from, Greg?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

All I'm seeing is a lot of talk of history.

I don't live in history, sorry folks. The title of this thread is "Has the NAACP outlived it's usefulness."

Yes, in it's current state, it has.

Also, I will again bring up Asians. They don't look like white people. They have a history of oppression in the United States. What's the excuse for their general success?

[szh]

Also, I will again bring up Asians. They don't look like white people. They have a history of oppression in the United States. What's the excuse for their general success?

Hard work and a strong desire to succeed at all costs.

Z

[AZhitman]

I'm not comparing what I go through today with what they went through.

I don't think you'll find a single post where I state "the man is holding me down"... you're just wayyy off base on stating I like playing the victim.

You can't tell me we start with the same milk when, from the outset in the constitution, it clearly states that my cup was 3/5 full !

Not my quotes. Yours.

Sorry about the other 2/5 of your cup. I thought we left that behind 50 years ago. Apparently not.

[AZhitman]

You say good post Charlie, then bring up the right to vote? If that quote was/is so telling of our country, why were two amendments needed to "clarify" that women and people of color had the right to vote?

Then you imply that Dr. D has somehow disrepected those that helped bring idea of all men being equal into practice. YOU have disrepected their efforts by suggesting that quote bears any resemblence to history, and saying their blood, sweat, and tears shed while fighting for the right to vote was unnecessary.

But now I guess it makes sense. If you dont understand the conditions in ths country when that quote was first written, then you cannot understand the impact of groups like the NAACP. You would not be able to consider what they have accomplished, or clearly even what they were fighting for. You couldnt see how far we've come.

In addition, you may not be able to see the faulty mentality of someone signing his name to that quote, while owning slaves and being married to a women who couldnt vote. This would limit your ability to realize this same mentality may still exist in our country.

Without recognizing some people still think like that, you may question whether discrimination still exisits today. It would then be difficult to see why civil rights groups still have a purpose and the issues theyre arguing against.

Where did this come from, Greg?

You need to read more carefully. You're freaking out over nothing. Nothing at all.

Dr. D brought up the voting issue... I'm not gonna hold your hand through the logic here - Keep up or step out. Doc is keeping up, you should be able to as well.

I haven't disrespected s***. Read again. Doc claims to be affected by a document that was written 200+ years ago, brings up voting when HIS right to vote was NEVER in question, and generally spends way too much time wringing hands over past ills that affected others - NOT him.

We could ALL climb in that boat, but don't. And Doc's point IS spot-on about some of us being "less obviously different" - I agree 100%.

Bottom line is this: Claiming injury when little or none exists, is disrespectful to:

1) Those who WERE systematically discriminated against.2) Those who fought to overcome said injustices.

If I walked into a room full of WTC family members, weeping and wailing, claiming I'd been irreparably harmed by the images of the towers falling, they'd have every right to ask me to GTFO. THEY were affected. Not me. The effect on me was more distant, and minimal in comparison. In that instance, I'd need to STFU and respect the legitimate and overwhelming losses they suffered.

Charlieo brings up a great point: Where's the NAAAP? (asian people) Why don't they have a national organization?

Tread carefully with your answer - You may not fully comprehend THEIR history in this country.

p.s. Great last post, Doc. Well-written.

[rjdmmfl1]

All I'm seeing is a lot of talk of history.

I don't live in history, sorry folks. The title of this thread is "Has the NAACP outlived it's usefulness."

Yes, in it's current state, it has.

Also, I will again bring up Asians. They don't look like white people. They have a history of oppression in the United States. What's the excuse for their general success?

Charlieo, normally you're sharper than this... you complain of folks talking of history, but during our discussion of present day events, you brought up the declaration of independence as a defense for this country being based on equal principles... and on that basis, we ushered in a weave of historical facts completely debunking that statement.

We all get the same milk. Every citizen or national in the United States is equal in the eyes of the nation.

I'm sorry, but that is one of the most factually incorrect statement posted in this entire thread, for the reason mentioned earlier.

Now you want to get back to the original purpose of the thread, no problem! And as for Asians, their ability to maintain strong cultural traditions when they immigrated to the U.S. coupled with a strong work ethic and emphasis on education all work together to make them the most successful immigrant group in this country. But in speaking about the necessity of the NAACP and why there is no NAAAP, I would say that if Asians were brought here as the burden bearers of this nation in chains, and had to struggle for freedom and equality the way blacks did, then there would indeed be a NAAAP. The issue at stake here is not whether the NAACP should have ever been created (I think even the most conservative of folks understand the climate in which this organization was established ), the issue is whether or not this once uber-influential and important group is still relevant today... but to argue for the creation of an NAAAP is asiniine to this debate given the very different history of these two populations in this country.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I would say that if Asians were brought here as the burden bearers of this nation in chains, and had to struggle for freedom and equality the way blacks did

Oooooh, the victimization! Ooooooh!

You've enlightened me, sir. If thinking like yours still exists in this country, the NAACP is EXTREMELY necessary. Unfortunate.

You also are displaying an ignorance of the history of oppression of early Asian immigrants into the U.S. I'll wager many of them were in chains.

In fact, your posts reek of ignorance. I'm sure it's not your fault as it's been ingrained into you by the sort of thinking that operates the NAACP, but still.

Victim-monger.

You never did tell me why you succeeded against the centuries of oppression that is your burden...

[CakeDaddy]

We all get the same milk. Every citizen or national in the United States is equal in the eyes of the nation.

Im going to co-sign on this one and say that this is probably one of the most uneducated remarks that I've seen in a long time. Sorry Charlie....you played yourself on this one.

I would have laughed at that comment as a pre-teen, and now that Im older... I just shake my head

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Im going to co-sign on this one and say that this is probably one of the most uneducated remarks that I've seen in a long time. Sorry Charlie....you played yourself on this one.

I would have laughed at that comment as a pre-teen, and now that Im older... I just shake my head

Why do you hate America?

When an American is born, he sucks in a big breath. Every American, in taking that breath of American air, is granted the full breadth and power of the rights given to him by the American government. That's why every American can vote. Every American has those certain inalienable rights.

What happens next depends on genetics, upbringing, social interaction, and a dash of chaotic events.
Modified by charlieo at 11:02 AM 5/30/2009

[CakeDaddy]

Why do you hate America?

Modified by charlieo at 11:02 AM 5/30/2009

...are you talking about!?!?

Every American, in taking that breath of American air, is granted the full breadth and power of the rights given to him by the American government. Modified by charlieo at 11:02 AM 5/30/2009

In theory...maybe, but the true reality is different. I cant be mad at you for not understanding that nor do I want to expalin it to you. At 22 years young... you have alot to learn.


Modified by CakeDaddy at 3:30 PM 5/30/2009

[AZhitman]

But in speaking about the necessity of the NAACP and why there is no NAAAP, I would say that if Asians were brought here as the burden bearers of this nation in chains, and had to struggle for freedom and equality the way blacks did, then there would indeed be a NAAAP.

... but to argue for the creation of an NAAAP is asiniine to this debate given the very different history of these two populations in this country.

I'll ignore your backhanded snipe at my suggestion and chalk it up to an ignorance of history.

Again, we return to history books: Not all Blacks were slaves. Not all slaves were Black.

Apparently you missed the part of history class where they discussed "comfort women", prison and work camp internments, forced laborers... Asians were affected by these and other inexcusable plights.

EDIT: Looks like charlieo already took you to task on this one. Might want to check with your history teachers - Maybe they were feeding you a skewed version of past events.

I've often wanted to ask a question, but it seems insensitive. So, I'll ask it here (if I haven't pissed people off yet, maybe this will ):

What if your forefathers were left wherever they were? Whether it be Africa, South America, Haiti, Central America, Jamaica, wherever.... What if the traders passed them over? What would YOUR life be like now?

Would you be living in a mud hut in the middle of a drought-plagued desert? Would you have survived past your teenage years? Would you be a landowner? A CEO? Or would you be herding goats? Would your children have the opportunities they have now?

Perhaps there's a "bigger plan" at work. Perhaps your forefathers paid that price for you to have a better life with more opportunities.

See, I'm an optimist. I'm a cup-half-full guy. I don't look back. I look forward. And I choose to believe my father and his dad endured those hostilities KNOWING full well that my life would be better because of it.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

At 22 years young... you have alot to learn.

Modified by CakeDaddy at 3:30 PM 5/30/2009

Ad hominem

Oh, now who left that there?