GT-R vs ZR1

[lucidd]

PS.NO doubt in my mind, that the ZR1 is a great performer.That is a given - with a wopping 6.2L [almost twice the size of the 3.8L V6 on the GTR]... and a supercharger... and boasting GM's highest outputting engine that the company's ever built -ever... IT WILL PERFORM.

But lets all remember, that The GTR did it [first] ... then now, all the other manufacturers are following suite to keep up with it.

upcoming GTR V-spec - apparently did the Nurburgring track in 18seconds faster that the current GTR.

If Nissan was saying something to the industry.... here's what they'd say:

GTR::: Take this! --- catch me if u can!

GTR V-spec:::::::

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[zozoka1212]

Just ask them what can the ZR1 do when it is raining and/or snowing. As somebody already said it. The GT-R is idiot proof. You use the LC. and you'll get 3.5 seconds every time or pretty much same. That wont happen to the ZR1. When the v spec comes out it will be over. What amazes me is what Nissan can do with the 3.7x engine v6 the vette needs a "LITTLE": bigger engine.

zozo

Just my .02

[zozoka1212]

At the end of the day doesn't matter if the Vette or GTR is better none of you fan bois will have one and probably never will, you ALL LOOSE. ( except for the 1 person or so that does own one on this forum)

If the thread sucks so bad why are you here? Oh maybe that's why the thread sucks so bad.



zozo

[hsckris]

Just ask them what can the ZR1 do when it is raining and/or snowing. As somebody already said it. The GT-R is idiot proof.

And that is exactly my main problem with the GTR. I want to shift gears, and I want to drive the car myself as opposed to have the computer do it for me (or at least have the option to).

Don't get me wrong, I love the GTR and it is an amazing car. I liked it even more after seeing it on Top Gear. However, realistically I would likely never buy one b/c of the above reason and the inevitable markup (and I'm not a fanboi).

[Jacko3]

Zozo:

Very nice observation. Actually, Nissan is moving towards becoming the Porsche of japanese auto world. Why?

1. They have stuck with using V-6 engines to do things that can only be dreamed in the auto world. Porsche has the H-6 engines.

2. Infiniti has come out with their FX50 with 390 horse power. Porsche has their Cayenne SUV with about the same range of horses.

If Porsche is the master of H-6 engines, Nissan has become master at V-6 engines. Even BMW which prided itself in I-6 (earlier I said V-6) performance in their 3 series, for many years, have dissapointingly switched to a V-8 in their 2008 M3. Meanwhile, the GTR with a V-6 is not even in the league of an M-3 anymore, when in fact, the GTR was a car intended to be close to or near the M-3 class at its on-set. So far, there is no indication that Nissan V-6 engines are less reliable than V-8 engines, which is the preferred safe engine limit for any high output engine.

This feat of engineering to maintain the creation of V-6 engines, will one day come to signify the power of Nissan in performance automotive industry. If GM is so sure of their technology, then, let them try building a V-6 and lets see how long it lasts or survives in harsh treatment as the GTR has done.

The GTR Spec - V is already setting the bar so high that Porsche is being forced to respond in kind with their GT series. BMW, which was the original target of Nissan, appears to be less of a competitor and challenger to Nissan.

When Nissan started, instigated, and encouraged, this on-going horsepower wars in the late 90s and early 2000s, nobody thought much of it, as many thought Nissan was struggling to even survive as a company. Nissan took the world by storm with their highly successful and profitable 350Z and G-35 series, and they have never looked back since then. The 350Z and its VQ35DE engine continues to be the basis of future Nissan performance developments.

While all the auto companies struggle to match the GT-R, none has so far even contemplated the idea of matching the GT-R Spec V. So, for now, Nissan is happy keeping other auto companies busy with their struggle to match and upend the GT-R performance, while they quietly and gently work on the GT-R Spec V that is sure to cause discomfort and sweaty days for the engineers of the other auto companies.

I like the ZR-1. However, if the ZR-1 is the best Chevy can come up with, then it is sad that its performance attributes are only a hair better than the GT-R. So, what will they come up with, when the GT-R Spec V, another V-6, hits the market---a V-10 ZR1 or what? Make no mistake, Nissan isn't competing anymore with the other three Japanese auto companies---Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc. Nissan is either competing with itself or at the least, it is competing with the Porsches and Ferarris of this world.

Just my 2 cents.


Modified by Jacko3 at 6:40 PM 7/23/2008

[zozoka1212]

You are right the GT-R is not for everybody. I think the goal was for the Nissan engineers to make the driving experence easy for everybody. From that standing point it will be "boring" for somebody who likes to shift and feel the car. I don't know how well the car will compansate that. Jeremy was really impressed with it. As he said it feels like you are in controll and all.

I guess we will never know. I personally would love to have one but would never buy a car for 120k. As Kenrik says it is not out of league for a lot of us. MagicM is wrong. I believe some of th Nico members would be able to afford one. How many would buy one... well who knows.

zozo

[zozoka1212]

Jacko you are right. Nissan set the bar for the others. Not too many will be able to responde for that with any success. However it is impressive out of few only chevy seems to be able to get to close to the same performance to the GT-R. As we said before the price is 2x bigger engine. Japaneese knows how to squizee out every hp from the engine. I believe Nissan will set another bar with the V spec. What's after it who knows. I sure hope there is more to come from every corner of the world.

zozo

[joe603]

I love all the cars mentioned...but would not own any. Most are simply way too impractical and way overpriced. The GT-R could be the exception if Nissan made more than a few hundred...but they simply don't want that many people to own them. The same will happen with the ZR1. Hell, even the Z06 is 70k for a 2-seat sled with an engine.

For me, the only one of the 3 that I could even consider is the GT-R. Sorry, but until I'm in my 50's, I need a backseat and a trunk for some sense of practicality.

[zozoka1212]

That's what makes the GT-R even more outstanding. Useable backseat and good size of trunk space. You are absolutely right Joe.

zozo

[suby01]

Too much Nissan biased opinions complaining about how terrible Chevy is blah blah. A stock Z06 outperforms a Ferrari F430, for 1/3 of the price that should speak for itself. I agree that comparing both cars is like apples and oranges and they each have their own unique style. As for the comment on Corvettes are only for fat white people, Guess what, the Nissan GTR is will probably be driven by mostly Fat white people because those are the only people that can afford one.At the end of the day doesn't matter if the Vette or GTR is better none of you fan bois will have one and probably never will, you ALL LOOSE. ( except for the 1 person or so that does own one on this forum)

its just like when i posted on the chevy forum about this about the zo6 and gtr it was all like chevy is better cuz its a chevy forum. but then i made a point of providing solid proven "facts" not i like american and you dont so its better. PHAIL

[MagicM]

If the thread sucks so bad why are you here? Oh maybe that's why the thread sucks so bad.



zozo

Because it's the same crap with every one of this topics, it's always going to be one sided biased opinion, WHY even bother making a XXCars vs XXCar when it's mainly pointed towards one car. It's like me going to the BMW forums, guess what? they call the G35 Piece of junk,cheap interior and will never handle or have the soul of a German car, but we all know that's not true. Whenever i see one of this posts i try and give unbiased opinion and do not automatically shoot down the other car just because it's a "CHEVY". Can't say this thread is a total lose, because some people actually understand that the zr1/corvette has it's own good values to it's name and appreciate it and the GTR.

[Jacko3]

MagicM:

I still haven't figured out why I keep getting BMW's tailgating me on the highway---this is at least, twice a week. I know they think the G-35 coupe is a piece of crap, but they just can't seem to leave me alone in piece on the highway.

[MagicM]

Oh you don't know? it's the Fancy circle LED brake lights on the g35/g37,BMW drivers = insects and when somebody has prettier brake lights then their BMW it attracts them. That why BMW drivers are always blamed for being tailgater's to you g35/37 people , now you know

[heliochrome85]

funny, your M35 has circular taillights as well. as for "us" g35/g37 people...

[zozoka1212]

If I see a topic I don't like I just don't participate. Better then fighting against everybody. Don't you think? This is an automotive forum. As you said yourself you go to another forum and same happens. So you already know it is the same why would you bother.

zozo

No hate here just facts.

BTW how do you know this? Was this nessecary too?

At the end of the day doesn't matter if the Vette or GTR is better none of you fan bois will have one and probably never will, you ALL LOOSE. ( except for the 1 person or so that does own one on this forum)

[MagicM]

funny, your M35 has circular taillights as well. as for "us" g35/g37 people...

Hehe yes that's true but my car works the complete opposite for BMW drivers for some odd reason. it a BMW repellent, They drive behind me, change lanes and run side by side look at for a second and bolt off. at least you guys have a BMW buddy to keep you company, they all leave me all bymyself.. sooo lonely.
Modified by MagicM at 6:37 PM 7/23/2008

[MagicM]

If I see a topic I don't like I just don't participate. Better then fighting against everybody. Don't you think? This is an automotive forum. As you said yourself you go to another forum and same happens. So you already know it is the same why would you bother.

zozo

No hate here just facts.

BTW how do you know this? Was this nessecary too?

as necessary in saying

"im saying people who drive corvettes are usually, white, male, and fat, OR complete d-bags"

or it's a piece of junk because it's a "Chevy"

[heliochrome85]

in any case, either you are doing it for fun, or you truly believe you can remove the pro-nissan bias from a NISSAN OWNERS CLUB FORUM. either way, you arent winning many friends with this thread. what ever point you make, you lose credibility when you say, us fan bois can never afford one, and so our opinion wont ever matter. see how far that gets you on the bmw forums.

[DevonD]

Jacko3, everything you said is true. just some of your facts are a touch off and I dont want you talking so someone one day then sounding like an idiot.ha ha But BMW doesnt have a V6 engine. they use only inline six configurations. all the 3 series cars are this way and even the 5 series that dont have a V8. its the same inline six in the X5, X3, Z cars. anything six cylinders from BM is inline. Even the old M3

But it is true! Nissan has mastered the V6. the VQ sereis is the only engine to be on wards top ten engines list every year since its creation. The day it is not longer on that list I dont know what I will do with my life. ha ha

[MagicM]

I'm not trying to change it to a unbiased opinions, just trying to make a point to not be ignorant and make half the posts useless "because it suck, because it's so and so, or it's driven by fat people and blah blah. If people say the GTR is faster because it can do something better then great, i am all for that but don't be saying it's American it will go atomic when it hits the corner. As my for past comment i apologize if i offended anybody, i am a Nissan/Infiniti Fan as much as anybody, it was just a counterattack to all the people blurting out ridiculous fanboi statements with no backing to it. "which is why i said YOU "FANBOI's " in my past comment, the rest of you are enthusiasts it wasn't targeted at most people here.

[Jacko3]

MagicM;

Yep! I forgot about those awesome G-35 tail lights.

[Jacko3]

Dear Devond:

Thanks for the correction. When i was writing that article, I was overhwlemed by the spirit of the GTR . I was experiencing an overwhelming psychological ecstasy as I burnished the image of Nissan. What was I thinking to even make such a comment? Please, forgive my error. Yes, the BMWs love their inline engines.

[TeflonG35]

Do not sleep on Chevy. They make nice cars. I've raced the new impala SS. It's fast and can give us a run for our money. And with the displacement on demand it can still get 24 mpg highway. A very nice machine. Not to mention older impalas with the nice supercharged 3.8 series II motor.

Also stated before about the chevy small block. People shove LS1s and LS2s in almost every car known to man. Even our favored Nissans.

As for corvette. It is a national symbol. Just like the GT-R is to Japan. Both are very very nice cars. Neither deserve hate.

[Slider4105]

Teflon I think you and I can agree that the 3800 series is the best v6 ever made in the history of existence......maybe even the best engine LOL

[heliochrome85]

three words about the 3800 series...THEY. CATCH. FIRE.

not so good after all. i say the best v6 is the VQ. Wards agrees.

[Slider4105]

Meh, they don't catch on fire, they just have one large combustion process. Besides I beat the CRAP out of my 3800 II and it kept on asking for more. But no doubt it's not in the same league as the VQ, I was just trying to make a funny.

[heliochrome85]

AAAH, A funny! How clever.

jk.

its not a bad engine, just gets a bit too hot.

now, the small block, thats another story...

[MagicM]

Do not sleep on Chevy. They make nice cars. I've raced the new impala SS. It's fast and can give us a run for our money. And with the displacement on demand it can still get 24 mpg highway. A very nice machine. Not to mention older impalas with the nice supercharged 3.8 series II motor.

Also stated before about the chevy small block. People shove LS1s and LS2s in almost every car known to man. Even our favored Nissans.

As for corvette. It is a national symbol. Just like the GT-R is to Japan. Both are very very nice cars. Neither deserve hate.

My friend used to have a 1980 corvette with the older 5.7L L82 before he a bought the new C6 version. He abused that engine like no tomorrow, every light he floored it, floored it around corners to make the wheels spin, and the motor kept on going i was impressed considering it was over 25 years old (only rebuilt once). The MPG is amazing on the new ones as well 6.0L/7.0L in z06 version, gets 18 city and 28 High, with 400/500 horsepower only a pedal away.

[kdfja1]

No offense guys but we sound like a BIMMER forum right now.... but i'm still R35 all the way

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

1+ Bimmer Haters!!