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haha well the car is getting trailered to have the IC piping done tomorrow- then it's just a matter of very small things and getting it tuned, so probably next weekend it will hopefully be on the dyno and then on the streets. Even if tg beats me starting the car, he won't beat me ;) lol jk bro.
ffrpwner wrote:ill be doing that tommorrow it looks nice haha what did you to to keep it on?

fmic looks sick with our bumper haha ima have to do that

Anyone here excited as crap for the start up video :mike

i assume there will be several videos!
I just used little sheet metal screws to keep it on, put one every 6 inches or so. Drill a hole smaller than the screw, just big enough to get the tip in then screw it in. Mine's held for over a year, even at 140+ and don't worry, there will be PLENTY of videos ;)


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Gino wrote: just big enough to get the tip in then screw it
That's what she said.
awww yeahhhhh :naughty:
Sorry, couldn't help it lol

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Gino's will probably have more horsepower but I'll try and have a better 1/4 mile ;D

we'll have to settle for bench racing for now though :D Maybe we can shoot some acceleration vids and check the timestamps to see who would win :D

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That's what I'm thinkin' g, you both post LOTS of videos of you two showing off and we can all try and keep the mess off the keyboard...

:woot:

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I copied your weather stripping mod today....I love it ha...I love adding small details imo makes the front bumper look more complete and alittle more aggressive

any way back to ginos build

Im still impressed by tgs acceleration video !!! so if gino is gunna have more hp then im excited to see his video ughhhh i hope to one day be at the level you two are on haha.....i need to not be 18 without a job and have two z's haha once that changes i think ill start planing a big rebuild project :woot:

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ffrpwner wrote:I copied your weather stripping mod today....I love it ha...I love adding small details imo makes the front bumper look more complete and alittle more aggressive

any way back to ginos build

Im still impressed by tgs acceleration video !!! so if gino is gunna have more hp then im excited to see his video ughhhh i hope to one day be at the level you two are on haha.....i need to not be 18 without a job and have two z's haha once that changes i think ill start planing a big rebuild project :woot:
I know Gino is aiming for a 6 second 100-200km/h run :D (60-120mph) :D

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na i want 6 seconds 60-160 ;) lol

We towed the car up to my buddies shop last night so he could do my IC piping:
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she is very dusty, and obviously no alignment yet lol, and don't worry the front will be coming down once it's back. Just have it raised so much to make easier for jacking it up all the time lol.

which leads to today...

half the piping is done!
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Now the final decision is: PC/paint the piping black? or keep it aluminum?

those were just cell phone pics from my buddy doing the piping. The charge piping from the turbo to the IC is actually transitioned from 2.5" to 2.25" to squeeze past the rad and the frame, then expanded back out to 2.5". The charge piping from the IC to the throttle bodies is 2.5" the whole way. Either picking it up friday or monday, so expect a full little photoshoot then. Then it's just finishing up wiring and getting it tuned! I'm finally there! A year and a half and it's finally coming to a close! Now I get to watch my bank account start sky rocketing lol

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paint it black but tape something off on it so it leaves a reverse silhouette ;) that piping looks great!

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Looks awesome cant wait to see it finished

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Sorry TG, I say leave 'em silver...gotta be able to show off the welds! :yesnod

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DCaff300ZX wrote:Sorry TG, I say leave 'em silver...gotta be able to show off the welds! :yesnod
OH, my bad I read IC not piping :) I'd still keep the piping black to go with the color scheme. I'd also spray the intercooler black to avoid popo attention.

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anodized black aluminum... nom nom nom....

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isn't thermal performance important, especially with an intercooler? I'd keep it silver, unless i'm wrong, then go black anodized, that looks the sexiest

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jedijeff123 wrote:isn't thermal performance important, especially with an intercooler? I'd keep it silver, unless i'm wrong, then go black anodized, that looks the sexiest
colors absorb light which transfers Into heat. Underneath the hood in the engine bay will be dark, so heat is not an issue. I say paint it black. Looks good though :)

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bartZ32 wrote:
jedijeff123 wrote:isn't thermal performance important, especially with an intercooler? I'd keep it silver, unless i'm wrong, then go black anodized, that looks the sexiest
colors absorb light which transfers Into heat. Underneath the hood in the engine bay will be dark, so heat is not an issue. I say paint it black. Looks good though :)
i meant the intercooler, lol. which will be exposed to light as it's an FMIC. but yeah, i'd say keep it silver, or put a black mesh grille in front of it to hide it from the popos...lol TG.

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i think you may have made me what to go back CHP paint in my engine bay when i do my build lol. gawd thats sexy

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great build, 500rwhp+ on pump at least.

but one thing i don't get:

why ams exhaust manifolds? why not msp exhaust manifolds? lots of controversy about ams' copying mike smith's design, using cheap parts, etc.

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vulcanrush wrote:great build, 500rwhp+ on pump at least.

but one thing i don't get:

why ams exhaust manifolds? why not msp exhaust manifolds? lots of controversy about ams' copying mike smith's design, using cheap parts, etc.
I'm shooting for mid-high 600's on pump. 2871r cars are putting down 630's on pump gas. As for manifolds, I don't care about controversy. There have been no issues with any AMS manifolds just like no issues with Mike Smith's. Everyone copies a design, that's what makes the capitalistic system and that's what makes competition to produce a better cheaper product. Technically Mike Smith copies stock manifolds. The AMS manifolds are not exactly like MS. There are only so many ways to do (make) one particular thing (log manifold). But like I said, I'm staying out of the debate. I have nothing against either Mike or AMS. When I first bought them I was making half of what I make now and the AMS manifolds were $475 while MS manifolds were over $1000.

anyways, here are pics from today, the IC piping is all done!

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picking it up tomorrow around noon, expect lots of pics tomorrow. And I think I will probably do the pipes black. The IC will stay silver. I've always had a front mount, and I actually work for the government so most of the local popo actually already know me ;) It's just the staties to worry about...and they go for me anyways.

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Gino wrote:
vulcanrush wrote:great build, 500rwhp+ on pump at least.

but one thing i don't get:

why ams exhaust manifolds? why not msp exhaust manifolds? lots of controversy about ams' copying mike smith's design, using cheap parts, etc.
I'm shooting for mid-high 600's on pump. 2871r cars are putting down 630's on pump gas. As for manifolds, I don't care about controversy. There have been no issues with any AMS manifolds just like no issues with Mike Smith's. Everyone copies a design, that's what makes the capitalistic system and that's what makes competition to produce a better cheaper product. Technically Mike Smith copies stock manifolds. The AMS manifolds are not exactly like MS. There are only so many ways to do (make) one particular thing (log manifold). But like I said, I'm staying out of the debate. I have nothing against either Mike or AMS. When I first bought them I was making half of what I make now and the AMS manifolds were $475 while MS manifolds were over $1000.

this is a review of the ams manifolds by specialty-z:

MS was having the manifolds poured at the same foundry in L.A. that use to do Garrett's exhaust housings.
They closed and MS has been working with a couple other local foundries that are overloaded due to other foundry closing.
Mike of MSP is extremely detailed and has been having trouble getting the quality he demands. He is suppose to have new samples ready this week.
In the past Mike did all the finish machining to the manifolds himself because what he was getting still was not up to his standards.
Something you might find interesting is I saw the AMS manifolds for the first time this week....I was amazed as they are not even machined at all, simply the raw castings. They also had very large obstructions just inside the manifolds head ports on a few of the runners that were just left there and not machined smooth. They did not look anything like a finished product. The ports were not even either.
What I am saying is MS=worth the wait.


i'm not mike smith, so it's nothing personal for me against ams. imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, i guess.

but copying isn't capitalism, it's actually anti-capitalism as there's no incentive to innovate if somebody is just gonna copy you and put out a product that's a lot cheaper.

innovation is capitalism. don't you think there's a reason msp exhaust manifolds cost twice as much? besides the r&d investment.

this is a recent tune by specialty-z, 566rwhp, granted on 91 octane.

http://www.twinturbo.net/nissan/300zx/f ... ctane.html

TDM Works 3076R kit
TDM Works front mount tubular manifolds
TDM Works V-Mount Intercooler and radiator setup
TDM Works 2.5" intake and IC piping
TDM Works 3" downpipes
SZ 3" testpipes, SZ 3" single muffler catback
BDE top feed fuel rail
1000 cc RC engineering injectors
dual stock TT fuel pumps
Selin translator
dual MAF
JWT 500 cams
stock heads
Cometic hg
built bottom end
etc.

isn't the 3076 considerably bigger than the 2871r?

the 2871r, ideally, puts out 800hp to the crank...let's say 20% power loss, that's 640rwhp? i'm not greg & seb over at specialty-z or harry over at ztuner, but it seems like there are these little gremlins that rob you of power.

if the 3076, which ideally puts out 1,000hp to the crank results in 566rwhp (with an unbelievable set-up that most people don't run)...how will you get mid-high-600's?

not questioning you, just doing a small build and looking to learn.
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vulcanrush wrote: this is a review of the ams manifolds by specialty-z:

MS was having the manifolds poured at the same foundry in L.A. that use to do Garrett's exhaust housings.
They closed and MS has been working with a couple other local foundries that are overloaded due to other foundry closing.
Mike of MSP is extremely detailed and has been having trouble getting the quality he demands. He is suppose to have new samples ready this week.
In the past Mike did all the finish machining to the manifolds himself because what he was getting still was not up to his standards.
Something you might find interesting is I saw the AMS manifolds for the first time this week....I was amazed as they are not even machined at all, simply the raw castings. They also had very large obstructions just inside the manifolds head ports on a few of the runners that were just left there and not machined smooth. They did not look anything like a finished product. The ports were not even either.
What I am saying is MS=worth the wait.


i'm not mike smith, so it's nothing personal for me against ams. imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, i guess.

but copying isn't capitalism, it's actually anti-capitalism as there's no incentive to innovate if somebody is just gonna copy you and put out a product that's a lot cheaper.

innovation is capitalism. don't you think there's a reason msp exhaust manifolds cost twice as much? besides the r&d investment.

this is a recent tune by specialty-z, 566rwhp, granted on 91 octane.

http://www.twinturbo.net/nissan/300zx/f ... ctane.html

TDM Works 3076R kit
TDM Works front mount tubular manifolds
TDM Works V-Mount Intercooler and radiator setup
TDM Works 2.5" intake and IC piping
TDM Works 3" downpipes
SZ 3" testpipes, SZ 3" single muffler catback
BDE top feed fuel rail
1000 cc RC engineering injectors
dual stock TT fuel pumps
Selin translator
dual MAF
JWT 500 cams
stock heads
Cometic hg
built bottom end
etc.

isn't the 3076 considerably bigger than the 2871r?
innovation is capitalism as much as competition is. No competition = monopoly. You think MS would have dropped the price of his manifolds if AMS never came out with a version? He could charge what ever he wanted and there would be no one to say "but wait, we can do that for this price" which in effect will drive both prices down, which makes it more affordable for everyone not just the upper tier. I made my decision based on price and performance (aka what I had the money for at the time that was considerably better than stock). There have been no issues with AMS manifolds cracking etc, and they flow considerably more than stock so that is what matters to me. The port mouth size being unequal is not so much of an issue when they are considerably larger than the opening on the head that they are mated to. What is important is inside the manifold itself which, on my version, look just fine. Also need to remember, AMS has had a few different versions of their manifolds also, the first batch from their old manufacturer were crap in finish compared to their current manifolds. But again, I'm not getting into the debate. I made the choice.

As for Tya's car- that was on 91 octane at lower boost levels and a very conservative tune. Here in MD we get 93, which can support ~22-23lbs. One of my local guys with 2530's put down 588 at 20lbs on pump gas- and 2530's are even smaller than 2871r's. On pump gas I will be doing 20-22lbs, so yes high 600's is not out of the question on pump gas. There are many other details that go into putting down numbers other than JUST the turbo size.

and just for effect...Greg put down 841rwhp at 35lbs on the GT3071R's...through an auto. Auto's have a good deal more power loss than manuals do, regardless of if they're built drag autos. They will still have a significant loss. And I have done everything I can do to cut parasitic and drivetrain loss and make my engine perform to it's maximum efficiency.

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Gino wrote: As for Tya's car- that was on 91 octane at lower boost levels and a very conservative tune. Here in MD we get 93, which can support ~22-23lbs. One of my local guys with 2530's put down 588 at 20lbs on pump gas- and 2530's are even smaller than 2871r's. On pump gas I will be doing 20-22lbs, so yes high 600's is not out of the question on pump gas. There are many other details that go into putting down numbers other than JUST the turbo size.
of course there are other details besides turbo size, but tya's set-up (excluding turbo's) is pretty cream-of-the-crop, don't you think?

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jedijeff123 wrote:isn't thermal performance important, especially with an intercooler?
Anodizing on heat sinks increases it's cooling by 4% to 8% with forced induction(air moving around it). It also protects the aluminum from corrosion. Unlike paint that has neglect-able effect to cooling, but doesn't share benefits as anodizing.

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Well, break-in tune should be sub 600 (like tya's) and then you can crank it up after a bit :D 23psi on 93 should work fine if you detune the timing a bit (boost will make up for the timing).

:)

yes, rare is right, anodizing increases thermal transfer efficiency of aluminum.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlMQeLohmWM
Built on 2871r's

and yea I was keeping anodizing as one option. I think for now I will paint them but down the road they will probably be anodized

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would be crazy if you had some fins put out them so they could dissipate some heat themselves!

anyways, black for now.

so, when are we gonna have some vids of this beast?

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change of plans...black is a no! They're going gold...the pictures will tell it all!

Picked her up today, just need to finish up wiring now (tuck the harness etc), and finish clamping fuel/coolant lines and tightening AN fittings. Then hopefully tune next weekend!
Pics!:

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my baby turbo and FPR. You can actually see the turbos from the engine bay!!

and here are the quick photoshops that lead me to gold. I was originally thinking gold but wasn't sure how it would look, but IMO it looks 100 times better than black would..
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and don't mind the bumper, it's only on by 2 nuts so it can flex for getting on/off the trailer.
So you guys agree with gold?

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gold but a lot brighter than that

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Gold ties it together with the rest i agree for gold over black, buuuuut i think either way you should get a radiator cover to match whatever you do the pipes in.

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Damn Gino, lookin' SWEET!
I must say I still like the silver to go with the radiator and FMIC as they are, but I also like the Gold idea so you can't lose either way IMO.
Can't wait to hear it roar on the videos to come!!

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I'm jones'n for an update...how are things going Gino?


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