G50 upgrade to Y33

[Qship4life]

has anyone made this upgrade? iv been thinking about it but i really like the G50. looking to get somthing in a few months but dont know if i should keep it old school or not. any suggestions?

[maxnix]

Not so much an upgrade, except perhaps as a daily driver. More like something similar, but done differently.

Plenty of posts by those who now or have owned both.

[Jesda]

Getting a newer car with lower miles is always nice. Records matter more than age though.

[BadQ45t]

Going from my Dad's 92' Gremlin-infested Q45 to my 97' bulletproof always felt like an upgrade. An upgrade in refinement, in comfort and overall experience. The 92 had more guts but not by that much, it was not like going to a 3.0 V6 or someting, the Y33 is such a soooth engine that my friends call it the electric jet as the F16 was calle.

[elwesso]

I feel like I cannot comment because I will automatically be wrong or offend someone... So, i will have ot just agree with brian and move on to the next post.

[Rex]

I feel like I cannot comment because I will automatically be wrong or offend someone... So, i will have ot just agree with brian and move on to the next post.

And saying nothing at all wasn't an option for you?!?

[elwesso]

And saying nothing at all wasn't an option for you?!?

Of course not. On the Q45 forum, i will NEVER plead the 5th!

[Q45tech]

Dad's 92' Gremlin-infested Q45 .

I believe we have knowledge of [and how to repair] everything that can go wrong with 90-93Q after 16 years.

Failure to fix due to financial constraints shouldn't be called a Gremlin!

[Falkdesigns]

Somehow, I don't think Jeff's dad, nor his own financial constraints had anything at all to do with it.

I knew the title of this thread alone would get people's attention. You should know that 2nd gen Q is never an upgrade from 1st gen because Quote »50 is ALWAYS greater than 33![/quote] Having driven 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Q's myself, I know what I prefer. In a perfect world, I'd have a 2nd gen with 3rd gen motor, trans and Navi system FTW.

[elwesso]

Falk.. What 1st gen did you drive?

[redmanfx]

Dad's 92' Gremlin-infested Q45 .

Failure to fix due to financial constraints shouldn't be called a Gremlin!

True...So True!

It's called Q-itis and it's very infectious among the older ones. Best to call the CDC in Atlanta or NICO for immediate treatment.

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[Q45tech]

Having the money but not spending it still a financial constraint.What other reason could be valid in not maintaining better than brand new.Ask Jay Leno he understands.

[Falkdesigns]

The owner of Torrance Auto-body's car, it's got straight pipes from the cats back, way too loud IMO, sounds great at idle, and sounds great when you get on it, but it just doesn't seem right on a luxury car.

[sijoko]

I would never consider the Y33 to be in the same category as the G50. In Japan, it was sold as a lesser model along side the President (G50 &HG50).

The only reason the Y33 showed up in the States was because the G50 was getting too expensive to make for the US market and Nissan did not have the funds to make a true successor to the Q.

I remember the letdown that I felt when the Y33 was released in late 96. I was expecting a continuation of the original Q45 theme, instead Nissan changed directions and brought out a completely different car. It was designed to compete with the LS400 (the ultimate boring car) and it can.

I am not saying that the 97-01 Q45 is not a good car. It is just not in the same league as the 90-96 Q45.

[maxnix]

Having the money but not spending it still a financial constraint.What other reason could be valid in not maintaining better than brand new.Ask Jay Leno he understands.

Yeah, if I recall, Jeff's father didn't believe in chain guide failure as his mehcanic said it didn't happen.

A few days after it was sold, the new owner experienced failure. That car was one of 3 1992 Q45 on the board that failed within a six month period.

[Jesda]

I actually have maps in my map pockets.

[CrimsonQ]

Im in the process of buying a Y33 myself.

I love my G50, with what Ive done to it over the last year it really did feel more "beastly" compared to the 99 I drove.

The 99 is more of the kinda car Id like to take the wife out in. I think its classier looking than my G50, but in a different way. I guess I felt "richer" in the newer Q?

But if I were to want to go out and cruise around for fun, itd surely be the G50 that would go out:)

I say go for it if you have the money to purchase and maintain, but only if you have enough for both:P

[ddrumman]

I enjoy linguini finni with fra diavolo sauce.

[elwesso]

Im in the process of buying a Y33 myself.

I love my G50, with what Ive done to it over the last year it really did feel more "beastly" compared to the 99 I drove.

The 99 is more of the kinda car Id like to take the wife out in. I think its classier looking than my G50, but in a different way. I guess I felt "richer" in the newer Q?

But if I were to want to go out and cruise around for fun, itd surely be the G50 that would go out:)

I say go for it if you have the money to purchase and maintain, but only if you have enough for both:P

I think thats a fair comparison.... Very fair indeed.

My point remains: The G50 and Y33 are different cars intended for different people. It doesnt technically make one better than the other, but for my needs, there is only one that will suffice

[hannibal]

^ The Y33??

I think Crimson hit it on the head. To me, the Y33 is more luxurious, in both features and styling. The G50 is the faster, more powerful car. I'm not sure which handles better, as they weigh nearly the same even though the G50 is bigger. (right?)

Ive only been in a G50, and that was 8 yrs ago. It was definitely quick at highway speeds. Falk stated his perfect mix of the 3 gens. I think the Y33 with a VH45 would be hawt. The VK is more powerful, but my swap seems more do-able.

Noob question: Was a President sold in japan from 1997-2001? Was it still the G50?

[elwesso]

the VH45 is lightyears ahead of the VK45... really, it is! The VK45 (like most later nissan engines) are probbaly over rated. To me, it doesnt feel any more powerful than the VH45 with a chip.

the G50 was sold as the president from 89-01

[hannibal]

Wes, flame away if need be, but is the VH45 into a Y33 a real possibiity? The early VH45 have 320-330 hp while the VK45 is rated at 340hp. I'd say thats just a chip away.

I know what I'll be dreaming about tonight: Y33 + VH45!

[Falkdesigns]

I would never consider the Y33 to be in the same category as the G50. In Japan, it was sold as a lesser model along side the President (G50 &HG50).

Not exactly, it was sold alongside the Infiniti Q45 (G50) at roughly the same MSRP, so yes, it most definitely IS in the same category: "Premium Luxury Sedan".

Wes, I know you have the fastest Q45 in the world so yours doesn't count, but the F50 I drove felt much more powerful than the G50 or the Y33's I've driven.

[Jesda]

The VH45 is light years ahead of the VK45. If I wanted a more powerful engine that consumed oil, I'd save ten grand and buy a Cadillac. They're prettier anyway.

[maxnix]

The VH45 is light years ahead of the VK45. If I wanted a more powerful engine that consumed oil, I'd save ten grand and buy a Cadillac. They're prettier anyway.

Boy, there is some truth in that.

The JHG50 Presidents for Japanese executives were much more expensive than salaryman FY33 Cima sedans.

Nissan finally had to convert F50 to the new Park Avenue....I mean President when G50 became too expensive for even Japanese executives.

F50 with 5 speed will scoot faster from a dead stop, but on highway, G50 is as fast in passing manuever. I like them all, but......it depends if you want engineering or doodads, and what your application is.

New STS is about as fast as G50 up to 100mph! I was quite impressed.

[Falkdesigns]

If the Deville DTS was an RWD car, I'd be all over it. I saw a Seville this weekend, black, low, nice wheels, looked so dang sleek and sexy, but the FWD absolutely kills it for me.

[nismofly]

even though the G50 is bigger. (right?)

y33's bigger, by far

its the main reason i prefer the g50, i prefer smaller, sleeker cars...the y33 is the size of a maybach

my neighbor has a g50 so i know how big they are, i can just remember the first time i saw a y33, i didnt know wtf it was even though id seen pictures, then i saw the infiniti badge and it all came together, i couldnt believe it

[elwesso]

Wes, flame away if need be, but is the VH45 into a Y33 a real possibiity? The early VH45 have 320-330 hp while the VK45 is rated at 340hp. I'd say thats just a chip away.

I know what I'll be dreaming about tonight: Y33 + VH45!

I dont see why its not possible... I think that would be areally cool thing to do.. I would CERTAINLY love to have one... Thats something Id love to do someday, is make the Y33 a true Q45. Youd have to convert it to OBDI. I think it would probably drop right into the engine bay (including the mounts maybe), but the wiring would be a nightmare.. You would have to see what the 240 guys do to swap in engines that are OBDI into their 96 and later 240s... I dont know how they do it, maybe you can shed light.. It may be as easy as swapping the engine wiring harnesses, but I wouldnt tell someone its that easy. getting it to work as the factory would (no shortcuts) would not be fun. Youd certainly have to have a complete G50 to steal parts from.

It would be a much better long distance luxury cruiser (than the G50) with the highway passing power that it deserves.. The seats in the Y33 ive found aremore comfortable than the G50s are, regardless of year. Personally (and my opinion is in the minority) i think that the 94 G50 seats are more comfortable than the 90-93. Still, I would take the G50 as more of an M5 sort of car than I would the Y33... Apples and oranges; thats all it is.

Youll notice that the later VK45s have less HP, 335HP in the M, and even less in the new FX.. even at that, i think theyre overrated.. 340ft/lbs of torque. I think the 320HP in the 2006 FX is probably closer to what it actually puts out. The VK45 may seem a litte better because it certainly does have a flatter torque curve...

Remember that when I compare stuff to my Q, i am not considering nitrous. Onyl the ECU... and I did not feel much difference in torque... This was in a Y50 i drove.. Obviously it accelerated faster because of the better trans gearing, but peak torque did not feel much different...

Remember that with OBDI, an ECU'd Q is even competition to OBDII cars. Youll notice that on most nissans OBDII computer upgrades, especially in 2000+ cars do not add HP like they do in the older models.. This is likely because they can run more on the 'edge' since they have faster response times. Youll notice that on the newer things the DINAN ECU's for later models dont add HP, they just make it seem like it (change the driveby wire response, rev limiter, and stuff).

I dont think we've ever concluded what causes the VK45 oil consumption... it could be as simple as carbon build up like it is in the northstar engines.

[Jesda]

If the Deville DTS was an RWD car, I'd be all over it. I saw a Seville this weekend, black, low, nice wheels, looked so dang sleek and sexy, but the FWD absolutely kills it for me.

I agree, the FWD takes a lot of the joy out of it, though in fairness the Deville designed with middle-American octogenarians in mind.

You can get the Northstar in RWD form with an STS, SRX, or XLR.

[nismofly]

odd, i just looked up the lengths and it says theyre the same size, within 2 tenths of an inch to be exact

well, the y33 LOOKS a lot larger