G50 upgrade to Y33

[nismofly]

You can get the Northstar in RWD form with an STS, SRX, or XLR.

i know it might not be your cup of tea, but i would *love* an XLR with an LS7...what does the XLR-V have? LS6 or something?

[Jesda]

y33's bigger, by far

its the main reason i prefer the g50, i prefer smaller, sleeker cars...the y33 is the size of a maybach

my neighbor has a g50 so i know how big they are, i can just remember the first time i saw a y33, i didnt know wtf it was even though id seen pictures, then i saw the infiniti badge and it all came together, i couldnt believe it

The G50 has a longer wheelbase and is also longer from bumper to bumper, but the Y33 has packaging that makes the back seat and trunk bigger.

[elwesso]

odd, i just looked up the lengths and it says theyre the same size, within 2 tenths of an inch to be exact

well, the y33 LOOKS a lot larger

yes your correct.. overall length and wheelbase is very close, the G50 wheel base is slightly longer...

i know it might not be your cup of tea, but i would *love* an XLR with an LS7...what does the XLR-V have? LS6 or something?

it has the supercharged northstar.

[Jesda]

what does the XLR-V have?

Supercharged Northstar

[nismofly]

yes your correct.. overall length and wheelbase is very close, the G50 wheel base is slightly longer...

ok, then it just LOOKS a lot longer, like i said compared to my neighbors g50 i couldnt believe what the difference when i realized what it was

it has the supercharged northstar.

ok then, LS7 it is!

[elwesso]

ok, then it just LOOKS a lot longer, like i said compared to my neighbors g50 i couldnt believe what the difference when i realized what it was

I wonder where that all went on the G50 because the Y33 has a bigger trunk and slightly more leg room......

[CrimsonQ]

Is the gas tank located differently?

[elwesso]

no the gas tank is still where it should be (same location as G50.)

[Rex]

Another Y33 thread run awry by Wes .

[elwesso]

Another Y33 thread with great information blessed by Wes

Why, THANK YOU KEITH!!!

[maxnix]

The G50 has a longer wheelbase and is also longer from bumper to bumper, but the Y33 has packaging that makes the back seat and trunk bigger.

Actually, the FY33 trunk is about 4 inches less deep than the G50 trunk. Don't think the back seat is any larger either, but I never ride there in either one.

[BadQ45t]

SO I have been on the road and not able to respond, let me say that we fixed all the gremlins, the timing chains were not done when we decided two V8's in the family was dumb. But my dad fixed a zillion things under the extended warranty, took those guys for 10k woth of repairs, essentially everything BUT the transmission and guides. I had to chase warning light issues, strange sounds, etc. I feel that the 92 was not a comparable car to the 97, the 97 is much more of a luxury car than the 92' was and is an upgrade (better seats, center console, multi-CD and way better stereo, much better ride). I think the 94 were big improvement.

I'm still with Kevin, give me a 2nd gen body with the 3rd gen motor. I was and always will be a big fan of the G50 but the the question is even with the check book and time their are alot of gremlins to chase in those earl Q's. I have more than enough cash to fix them but not the time.

Let's not fight, but I will not sit by and have the "the G50 and Y33 are not even in the same class' that is just nonsense.

[maxnix]

I feel that the 92 was not a comparable car to the 97, the 97 is much more of a luxury car than the 92' was and is an upgrade (better seats, center console, multi-CD and way better stereo, much better ride). I think the 94 were big improvement.

An important point. I like the early G50, but would not give up the comfort and convenience items in the later ones, especially including the passenger airbag, remote entry, autodimming rear view mirror, reversing mirrors, R134a, pillar tweeters, thicker glass, etc.

However, the FY33, especially 99 and up, has enough safety and comfort improvements that I maintain it is a better daily driver, and very close as a cross country cruiser, maybe even a little quieter.

If I had my choice, a VH45DE in a FY33 would be pretty interesting, but would require the G50 differential, but at 200 lbs. lighter, would be enjoyable. VH41DE is turbine smooth though.

VK45DE is nice, just not as overengineered a design as the VH series. Probably not as long lived, either.

[Falkdesigns]

Another Y33 thread run awry by Wes .

I knew from the moment I read the title that would be the case. He and others would be all in here going on about how's it's not an upgrade, blah, blah, blah. IMO, a NEWER, car, the same model - wether some will accept that fact or not - higher safety equipment level, more refined, quieter, roomier, is ALWAYS an upgrade.

[Jesda]

Actually, nearly every piece of my 90 Q is less than 6 years old. I might venture to say my car is 'newer' than most Y33s on the forum. (My sympathies go to the last owner.)

Its definitely better to have a modern car for maintenance, efficiency, cost, and reliability reasons. As far as safety, the G50 is much better in crashes, especially from the side. Looks like the extra weight had some uses.

The F50 of course has a plethora of air bags, crumple zones, and who knows what else. Heck, its shaped like a cloud; it may as well crash like one.

[Falkdesigns]

Actually the Y33 was never crash tested in the US (at least that's what I read), but it does have side air-bags.

[elwesso]

I hope you guys realize that the only way to get me to shut up on this subject is to just kill me...... So you better get used to it

[DuDro]

One of the safest on the road....

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=175

[DuDro]

Check it...

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=76

[sijoko]

How can the Y33 be a successor to the G50 when they were both sold at the same time in Japan?

What was the Y33 replaced with? It was known as the M45 in the States.

I know it is semantics but my point is that the G50 and Y33 were designed with different goals in mind.

I also maintain that since the G50 was designed to be Nissan/Infiniti's flagship sedan, it is was built with better and more expensive materials. When the Q45 was designed and built, Nissan had plenty of cash. This was during the boom in the Japanese economy.

By 1996, the tides had turned and Nissan's fortunes had dimished. The Y33 appeared in America because Nissan didn't have the resources to build another car like the G50.

Bottom line was cost. They didn't even put a 4.5 liter engine in it because of the expense, yet called it a Q45.

The Y33 is a good car but it is not the true successor to the Q45 title. I think that the only car that comes close to the original Q45 in performance and style is the new M45.

[96Qowner]

What he said ^

[Falkdesigns]

How can the Y33 be a successor to the G50 when they were both sold at the same time in Japan?

What was the Y33 replaced with? It was known as the M45 in the States.

Both were sold alongside each other in the SAME class of cars.

It was not replaced with the M45 in the states, the Y33 Nissan Cima / Inf. Q45 it was replaced with the F50 Nissan Cima / Inf. Q45. The Y34 Cedric/Gloria / Inf. M45 was sold alongside the F50, again, in the same class of cars and nearly the same price-point. All variants of Nissan Cima were ALWAYS premium luxury cars.

[squeefoo]

Bottom line was cost. They didn't even put a 4.5 liter engine in it because of the expense, yet called it a Q45.

The Y33 is a good car but it is not the true successor to the Q45 title. I think that the only car that comes close to the original Q45 in performance and style is the new M45.

'nuf said!

I drove a couple Y33 and there's no comparison to the G50. G50 upgrade to Y33 Upgrade !? Not!

[Falkdesigns]

I drove a G50 and would totally agree that there's no comparison. I hands down beat a G50 in a little stop light racing. The Y33 is soooo much nicer inside, it's sleeker looking too.G50 upgrade to Y33Upgrade? Absolutely.

[DuDro]

Just go and drive as many G50s and Y33s that you can find, and make the decision for yourself. In the end, it's YOU who will be driving the car, not the other people on this forum.

Obviously the G50 owners love their cars and the Y33 owners love theirs too!

I LOVE my F50, but here is where my heart really is...



I will be getting another one when I move back to the West Coast!

[96Qowner]

I LOVE my F50, but here is where my heart really is...



I will be getting another one when I move back to the West Coast!

Good example - The NSX can't be substituted for, and isn't an upgrade to a G50 any more than a Y33 is - the 3 cars appeal to drivers for different reasons.

I can't see Falk in a G50 - it's too "out of date", for one thing - an abandoned style.

[Jesda]

BMW E34 > *


Modified by Jesda at 3:16 PM 4/25/2006

[elwesso]

The deal is Kev is that your not gonna convince me or any other G50 owner that a Y33 is an upgrade. Likewise, we will not going to be able to convince you that a G50 is a better car than a Y33. We're so damn set in our ways that its not really a point in arguing it.....

I think sijoko is right though... I dont know the price differences for say the 1997 G50 president and the 1997 Cima, maybe theyre similar, but the president was a pretty expensive car in japan.....

DuDro is right... Youll have to decide which one you like the best... bottom line is, while some dont like the styling as much, the F50 wins. I personally like the F50 styling.

[Rex]

The deal is Kev is that your not gonna convince me or any other G50 owner that a Y33 is an upgrade. Likewise, we will not going to be able to convince you that a G50 is a better car than a Y33. We're so damn set in our ways that its not really a point in arguing it.....

I think sijoko is right though... I dont know the price differences for say the 1997 G50 president and the 1997 Cima, maybe theyre similar, but the president was a pretty expensive car in japan.....

DuDro is right... Youll have to decide which one you like the best... bottom line is, while some dont like the styling as much, the F50 wins. I personally like the F50 styling.

Call me a sell out

I'd take one of the Y33's I posted previously (see pics below), with the same major upgrades my better G50 has - shocks/springs, transmission, ECU, rear gear & headers over a G50 anyday. Preferrably, the first or last.

[Jesda]

That looks familiar.