G50 upgrade to Y33

[Rex]

That looks familiar.

Like it's the same car

[Falkdesigns]

Honestly Jesda, that white Mazda looks a million times closer to the car in your sig than it could ever look to the Y33 you're trying to compare it to. They actually look like they're even from the same era.

I'd take one of the Y33's I posted previously...... over a G50 anyday.

[nismofly]

it is!

and jesda, didnt your 929 have a stick?

that makes it better than the Q

[sijoko]

Here's a link from Nissan's Global Site in pdf format. Right click and select "Save Target As..." to download.

http://www.nissan-global.com/E...7.pdf

It shows that the Infiniti Q45 (Model G50) was discontinued in Sept. of 96 with no successor. The Nissan President (JG50) continued till August of 2002.

The basic platform between the G50 and JG50 are the same with the main difference being the wheelbase.

The Y33 Cima (97-01 Q45) came from the Y32 Cima. The Y33 platform was also shared with the Cedric and Gloria. The Y33 Cima began production in the middle of 96 and continued till it was replaced with the F50 Cima (2002-present Q45).

[ddrumman]

Here's a link from Nissan's Global Site in pdf format. Right click and select "Save Target As..." to download.

http://www.nissan-global.com/E...7.pdf

It shows that the Infiniti Q45 (Model G50) was discontinued in Sept. of 96 with no successor. The Nissan President (JG50) continued till August of 2002.

The basic platform between the G50 and JG50 are the same with the main difference being the wheelbase.

The Y33 Cima (97-01 Q45) came from the Y32 Cima. The Y33 platform was also shared with the Cedric and Gloria. The Y33 Cima began production in the middle of 96 and continued till it was replaced with the F50 Cima (2002-present Q45).

Ok then!! That settles it. Now we can put this puppy to bed........... For a kitty nap

[Falkdesigns]

That's correct. Wes thinks somehow that the President is the same as USDM Q45, but it's a long wheelbase model and the G50 Q45 was always a Q45, over there and here. The Cima started out in the 80's as Y31 Cedric Cima and Gloria Cima, then Y32 branched off to Cima, Cedric and Gloria, and so on through Y33 and Y34 etc. The F50, current Cima / Q45, is an evolution of the Y33/34 and has very similar suspension, obviously with some revisions due to refinement and technology.

[elwesso]

That's correct. Wes thinks somehow that the President is the same as USDM Q45, but it's a long wheelbase model and the G50 Q45 was always a Q45, over there and here.

They have the President and the Infiniti Q45 under the same heading... What else do you want?

EDIT: if nissan calls them the same thing, or at least in the same category, are you saying they're wrong?

BTW, they dont list the Infiniti Q45 for any other models, thats pretty interesting... So the infiniti Q45 only existed in non-america for 90-96. Kinda neet if you ask me.

[ddrumman]

They have the President and the Infiniti Q45 under the same heading... What else do you want?

Hahahhahahahahahaha

[nismofly]

saying that its a completely different car because its got a longer wheel base is crazy

look at a pickup truck, youre going to tell me a regular cab and crew cab are entirely different trucks?

[sijoko]

Wes is right. In their PDF document, Nissan put the G50 Q45 in the same category as the President.

The Y33 Q45 is put in the same category as the Cedric and Gloria.

[Falkdesigns]

It's not a completely different car, but it's not the same car either. There's more than just the wheelbase that sets them apart. One is a President, one is a Q45 and President was available in 4 trim levels, Base, JS, Sovereign (long wheelbase version) and the Royal Limousine (split passenger compartment version)....

And how are they under the same heading? One says President, the next line down says Infiniti Q45. No one is arguing that the chassis is the same because it is.

So, saying that the G50 Q45 was sold alongside the Y33 Cima is not true. The G50 Q45 went away the year the Y33 Cima debuted.

[nismofly]

see where the bold is, thats the beginning of the category

then the related models are listed non-bold underneath

[Falkdesigns]

It's under the same chassis, which no one ever questioned. Indeed it is, but G50 Q45 was not sold alongside Y33 Cima.

[elwesso]

see where the bold is, thats the beginning of the category

then the related models are listed non-bold underneath

If a 240 owner can figure that out... well, ill stop there.

[nismofly]

If a 240 owner can figure that out... well, ill stop there.

im special

[Falkdesigns]

Did you even read what I said a few posts up? In any case, 2nd gen Q is equal to 1st gen Q in terms of performance, stock vs. stock, but 2nd gen Q OWNS in terms of luxury and comfort, and after all, these ARE luxury cars.

I understand though, you guys are into your classic cars.

[Jesda]

Honestly Jesda, that white Mazda looks a million times closer to the car in your sig than it could ever look to the Y33 you're trying to compare it to. They actually look like they're even from the same era.

Nope.

The three-box slab-sided look started in the early 80s and became especially popular in Japan. The low-slung look was retained by Jaguar and BMW and carried on by the G50. The 92+ Cadillac Seville falls somewhere in between.

Three-box slab-sided:LS400, W124 MB, W140MB, 88-91 929, 1996-2002 929 Royal Classic, Y33You'll note similarities including large, flush, rectangular headlamps, functionally box-shaped greenhouses, long rear decks, and tall noses with large grilles. The look conveys luxury, stateliness, and prestige. The simple side profile is mostly absent of shoulders, making the car look tall and extravagant.If you want to pick apart the early 929, examine the shape of the grille (very similar to your Grand Touring grille), shape and arrangement of the tail lights, shape of the greenhouse, shape of the C-pillar, and shape of the hood and bumpers.

Low-slung:X300 Jaguar XJ, 1990-1996 Q45, BMW E39, BMW E38, 1992-1995 929These cars generally have low noses and tall rear ends (except the X300), giving the appearance of a sweeping beltline for a more aggressive, sportier look. The greenhouses are generally a bit smaller and the body sometimes has a physical shoulder to reduce visual height. They sacrifice the appearance of expensive, majestic luxury to appear faster, sleeker, and longer. For the most part, manufacturers that followed this design theme had to give up market share and profitability, due to older and wealthier customers who preferred a more traditional look.

There's more to a car's looks than the ground clearance and wheel size. Design is more objective than people want to believe.

Basically, the W124, LS400, early 929, and Y33 are all derivatives of the same traditional design philosophy.

[Jesda]

it is!

and jesda, didnt your 929 have a stick?

that makes it better than the Q

Dont I wish. Finding a 5-speed 929 is nearly impossible. Man, having Mazda's shifter feel in a luxury car would own. What the 929 had that G50 and Y33 never will is balance. Otherwise, it was an empirically lesser car. The steering and chassis feel was much better, however. Its a shame Mazda ran out of money and never launched Amati.