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AppleBonker wrote:I could've given some better explanation at Carlisle. It's kind of hard to explain without demonstrations. All I can say is find the decent looking folks (fitness-wise) at the gym and talk to them. When I was in better shape, people would approach me occasionally and ask for pointers. I was always glad to help. I know for a fact I don't know everything, but I'm always willing to provide any knowledge I have based on my experience. I have a strong feeling that most others will be the same way. Also, for you I'd talk to the fit chicks. The guys will have a completely different way of going about things.
I can see it now:

Me: Hey mister, can you help me work out better?
Him: Sure, bend over and hold this. A lot. In front of me.

But I see what you're talking about. I just feel bad interrupting people in their "zone" or whatever. I'd ask the desk people, but they don't look like they work out much...


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Wait till you see them finish one set. Most people take a quick breather. And, if they're doing something timed between sets, they'll tell you to talk to them in a little while. If not, they're just being a d!ck and you don't want to talk to them anyway. Just my two cents though...

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cellardoorv wrote:Any tips?
Higher reps, lower weight if you are looking to tone up. Say like 3 sets of 10-12 reps of whatever you're doing. Do keep in mind results are 80% diet, you won't see results if you're eating horribly.

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AppleBonker wrote:I could've given some better explanation at Carlisle. It's kind of hard to explain without demonstrations. All I can say is find the decent looking folks (fitness-wise) at the gym and talk to them. When I was in better shape, people would approach me occasionally and ask for pointers. I was always glad to help. I know for a fact I don't know everything, but I'm always willing to provide any knowledge I have based on my experience. I have a strong feeling that most others will be the same way. Also, for you I'd talk to the fit chicks. The guys will have a completely different way of going about things.

This is terrible advice, because as a quick look at people's techniques and actually talking to them can show you, a lot of people are wasting a lot of time and only in shape thanks to having massive amounts of time to spend at the gym.

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Dire91 wrote: Higher reps, lower weight if you are looking to tone up. Say like 3 sets of 10-12 reps of whatever you're doing.
"Tone up" is a broken, useless phrase used by Cosmo readers.

There is pretty much only one solution for getting the most out of your time: The New Rules of Lifting for Women. It doesn't suck. It's for people who have goals, not just "today I'm going to go to the gym! Yay me!" Or well, the regular one is, I can't claim to have purchased the "for Women" edition. :laugh:

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i wouldnt say that is terrible advice... its a start. Trust me, fred doesnt need to go crazy at the gym yet.

Do keep in mind what charl said though, a lot of people do waste a lot of time at the gym, so take the advice with a grain of salt. Research the suggestions when you get home to verify techniques and theories. Dont take peoples word as blind fact.

Also, try to find and sign up for a few basic personal training sessions. I think PF has them intermittently as trials or something.

Then again, if you ask me, you should join crossfit =P chicks r smoookkkinnnn up in that bish. LOL

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RobPaulson wrote: try to find and sign up for a few basic personal training sessions.
I think this would be a good idea. You would have a better idea on what to do to accomplish your goals and not waste your time.

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charlieo wrote:This is terrible advice, because as a quick look at people's techniques and actually talking to them can show you, a lot of people are wasting a lot of time and only in shape thanks to having massive amounts of time to spend at the gym.
If you say so. TBH, if crappy technique and lots of time at the gym worked, I'd be pretty happy. I've never been able to build decent amounts of muscle with crappy technique. The only workouts I've seen of muscular folks just swinging weight around were pro body builders. And I don't think the technique is what's helping them, it's probably more the massive amounts of anabolics they are loading their bodies with.

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AppleBonker wrote:
charlieo wrote:This is terrible advice, because as a quick look at people's techniques and actually talking to them can show you, a lot of people are wasting a lot of time and only in shape thanks to having massive amounts of time to spend at the gym.
If you say so. TBH, if crappy technique and lots of time at the gym worked, I'd be pretty happy. I've never been able to build decent amounts of muscle with crappy technique. The only workouts I've seen of muscular folks just swinging weight around were pro body builders. And I don't think the technique is what's helping them, it's probably more the massive amounts of anabolics they are loading their bodies with.
Genetics plays a huge role in gains with crappy training, too. We all know that guy who's workout is curls and bench, then MickyD's, who's jacked. Some people be lucky.

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nissangirl74 wrote:
RobPaulson wrote: try to find and sign up for a few basic personal training sessions.
I think this would be a good idea. You would have a better idea on what to do to accomplish your goals and not waste your time.
For my fitness center this is a waste of time and money. The people who work there are no more educated in the subject then most people there. My friend worked with them and was telling me how much of a joke it is. I saw an older trainer once showing like 12-13 year olds how to lift, it was pretty much a babysitting program. THe kids were running around jumping on every machine...

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Has anyone talked about safety, i.e. keeping yourself pain free and damage free?

I bring this up because I just got shin splints today wearing my new running shoes after over doing it and not getting the shoes properly broke in.

People that workout consistently for a month or so start to develop a noticeable increase of musculature strength and endurance. Soon they start to push it too hard for what their body is ready for and run into issues; Shin splints, connective tissue inflammation, cartilage inflammation and/or wear, muscle tears, erratic heart rate or tachycardia, etc...

Things to do:
1a. Warm up! Everyone knows this yet when I go to the gym, I see few people doing a proper warm up. (And sitting in the sauna, physically getting hot does not count. I knew a guy that did this.) Walk for a couple minutes then jog (not run) or get on the elliptical for 7-10 minutes.

1b. Stretch out. Total body static stretching. Should take 6-8 minutes.

1c. Do really light sets of the compound exercises you'll be doing that day. For example, bench or squat the bar, lat pulls with 50 lbs, etc...you get the idea. I'd do a set or two of 20-30, and do further stretching of the muscles to be worked that day.

2a. Workout with weight you can do without compromising form. Everyone knows that bouncing the bar off your chest or swinging your back while doing curls is bad, but think about the basic physics of it. There are specific muscles being worked and any movement outside of what specifically effects the muscles being worked should be avoided. This includes, but not limited to, rolling shoulders when doing shrugs, swaying forward and back when doing lat pulls and seated rows, rolling shoulders when doing bent over rows and "lawn mowers", raising your heels off the ground when doing pretty much anything except for calf raises.

No body arches their back, ever, right?

2b. Don't max out! I know you're getting stronger and you want to prove to yourself (and maybe others around) how strong you are, but don't. The risk of injury increases greatly at maximal output! Think about driving at WOT vs. driving normally. At WOT, which is maximal output, how long do you think the motor will last?

Doing a single maximal weight repetition is only good if you're into power lifting and you're at a competition. 2 rep sets are also pretty bad, I tried never to do less than 3 and typically did 4 or more. My joints just couldn't put up with it, but I also did working sets with nearly 300 on bench and 400 on deadlifts and squats. Due to injuries, I never could get any stronger.

3. Cool down. Just like you did when you warmed up, do really light sets of the compound exercises you did that day. 20-30 reps w/no bar on bench for example. Then get on the treadmill or eliptical and go easy for 10-15 minutes just to get blood flowing.

4. Stretch out again. Total body, both dynamic and static. This should take a little while.

5. Be prepared to use non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID) and ice joints, shins, etc...

I'm sure for some of you - maybe even most - this sounds a bit excessive since your hour long workout turned into two hours in the gym, but once you get out of your teens and early twenties and into your thirties, you'll be glad you treated your body nicely.

Also, warm ups and cool downs need to be proportionally longer as workouts get longer and harder. Do you think I needed to warm up to pick up a jug of milk off the ground? Do you think I needed to warm up to rep out 390 on deadlift 5 times?

Work hard this summer, but be safe.

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This is great info. And as I know I should follow it, when you already workout for 3-4 hours, I don't really feel like being at the gym for much longer than that, especially at such late times as I go lol. I'm also impatient and want to lift HEAVY to see results faster. Unfortunately I do not always lift properly because the weight gets to be a little much near the end of each set. I know that if I were to drop down in weight I could do lift properly but it just doesn't feel like it's working as well as the heavy weights.
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cellardoorv wrote:Any tips?
Higher reps, lower weight if you are looking to tone up.
I hear this... A LOT... but it means absolutely nothing to me. Yes, I get the point of it, but higher reps of WHAT? This is what I'm having trouble with. I need to find an article that gives me like.. 3-5 exercises that work each (major) group of the body: legs, back, arms, stomach.

THEN I can put this lovely phrase that's been DRILLED into my head into use :biggrin:

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cellardoorv wrote:I hear this... A LOT... but it means absolutely nothing to me. Yes, I get the point of it, but higher reps of WHAT? This is what I'm having trouble with. I need to find an article that gives me like.. 3-5 exercises that work each (major) group of the body: legs, back, arms, stomach.

THEN I can put this lovely phrase that's been DRILLED into my head into use :biggrin:
Your body is comprised of a bunch of simple levers. Muscles can only pull, so think of what muscles you want to work.
If it's quads, your knee needs to move straightening your leg. Think of movements that cause your leg to straighten; Squats, leg press, lunges, leg extension, etc...

The more reps you do, the more of a cardio exercise things become. Doing 3 reps of some heavy weight doesn't burn many calories, but will tax your muscles like crazy and cause them to grow, increasing your resting metabolic rate (more on this later). Doing a set of 30 reps with lower weight will burn more calories but not stimulate muscle growth as much. This is where people get the notion that high rep, low weight is best for "toning" because muscles don't grow too much larger, but the extra calories burned help consume excess fat.

So think of what muscles you want worked, figure out what compound lifts work those muscles, and start working out. No need to get fancy and start weak-point training isolating various parts of muscles, just workout. Does that help?

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I'm down another belt notch... and have started to buy smaller clothes.

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This past weekend was the Beach to Bay relay marathon and my friend and i had a 6-person team. Each runner's leg is 4+ miles and my leg was 4.67 miles and I finished it in 35.08 minutes. I felt real during the run and recovered fairly quickly. Now it's time I really discipline myself to keep a good diet and get on a good strength training routine, since I plan to apply for the fire dept.
Let's stay motivated, stay healthy, feel great! :)

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I wish my gut would go away... but damnit, beer is so freaking good.

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:I wish my gut would go away... but damnit, beer is so freaking good.
Ugh I know what you mean! One of my local liquor stores put this on sale for $5/bottle (22oz)
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/avery-the- ... out/20295/
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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:I wish my gut would go away... but damnit, beer is so freaking good.
beer, my achilles heel.

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5/17 W.O.D
Shoulder Press, off your working 1 RM
5 @ 75%
3 @ 85%
1+ @ 95%
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4 rounds for time
10 Push Jerks 155/105 pounds (I used 95, i'm a weak newbie :tisk: )
Run 400 meters

Finished in 13:20. HAIYYOOOOO Felt AWESOME after, cant wait for weds!

looney u reminded me, i found some GREAT crosstraining/lifting shoes, inov8 lite230's, got them in black, totally changed the feel of my power lifting. awesome. couldnt live without now.
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164.4 lbs as of this morning... noice.

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180lbs, I can't gain weight, it's TO HARD. Trying to take in 3500 calories a day is so harrddd

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I could do 3500 in a day like NOTHING. Its doing 3500 healthy calories that would be tough.

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:I could do 3500 in a day like NOTHING. Its doing 3500 healthy calories that would be tough.
^This.
Dire91 wrote:180lbs, I can't gain weight, it's TO HARD. Trying to take in 3500 calories a day is so harrddd
I have 15 pounds I would gladly donate to you. ;)

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nissangirl74 wrote:
I have 15 pounds I would gladly donate to you. ;)
Please and thank you, I need it bad.

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currently eating around 2500calories a day... finally got my night binge eating in check. i'm down 7lbs since monday to 191 right meow. we'll see how it holds up.

this morning i had:
2eggs
3egg whites
1 scoop of nitrotech with a banana and some almond butter (tasted like a peanutbutter+banana shake mmm). it was flip'n delish.
some salsa and hot sauce in the eggs.

mmmm quite satisfied. WOD yesterday consisted of..
W.O.D
-*Clean practice*-
then
"Ernie Fartbagel"
20 minute AMRAP (as many reps as possible)
1 minute on/1 minute off of:
3 hang power cleans, 135/95
10 double unders

I averaged about 2.2 rounds per minute... I had ONE sick set of double unders... man those things take some rhythm and coordination like nobodies bidness. :chuckle:

PS, anyone with an android phone, "Calorie Counter" is an AWESOME app for logging your diet. you can even barcode scan food in to avoid the tedious 'look up' part of these apps. its flip'n amazing.

also got an app that logs all my crossfit workouts... designed specifically for crossfit type logging, with preloaded WOD's and every movement (in xfit lingo). Its also flip'n amazing :bigthumb: (its called Xercise)

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RobPaulson wrote:looney u reminded me, i found some GREAT crosstraining/lifting shoes, inov8 lite230's, got them in black, totally changed the feel of my power lifting. awesome. couldnt live without now.
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In the movie, Pumping Iron, with Arnold and all the other great 70's-80's body builders, it shows him workout out barefooted. I admit, I do like doing calf raises barefoot, but for sanitation purposes, I will wear shoes.

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Looneybomber wrote:
RobPaulson wrote:looney u reminded me, i found some GREAT crosstraining/lifting shoes, inov8 lite230's, got them in black, totally changed the feel of my power lifting. awesome. couldnt live without now.
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In the movie, Pumping Iron, with Arnold and all the other great 70's-80's body builders, it shows him workout out barefooted. I admit, I do like doing calf raises barefoot, but for sanitation purposes, I will wear shoes.
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I use them for lifting, and running. I have really flat feet, and they've help a lot. They've also shaved a good chunk of time off my 5k, and added a bit to my squat.

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those have to feel weird at first.

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numbnuts240 wrote:those have to feel weird at first.
They sure as hell look weird. :fruit:

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if we didnt have a inov8 sales rep at our gym, i probably would have waited to get those fivefingers. but i got a great deal on the inov8's, they are great though, probably the closest thing to bare feet next to the 5fingers.

Can you tell we have a inov8 salesman as a member?
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yesterdays WOD whopped me real hard.

W.O.D
Bench Press
*cycle one is 90% of 1 RM. Cycle two added 5 pounds to 1 RM three weeks ago and found new 90% #
5 @ 75%
3 @ 85%
1 @ 95%
then

"Five Guys"
400 mete run
*rest 3 minutes
12 minute AMRAP (of the triplet)
7 CTB pull ups
7 Box Jumps, 30/24 inches
7 Clapping push ups
*rest 3 minutes
400 meter run

Finished in 21:30 from run to run. Did 7 rounds in the 12 minutes. Was my first time going to xfit 2 days in a row... i'm exhausted and sore as all hell meow. ouch. flat shoes + failing at POSE running = shin splints ... FML.


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