F1's KA Flywheel from eBay.

[Beazle]

I think I lost track of the point. Thank you eazye2000 for trying to provide us with first hand information about this product. I am sorry I kinda jacked you thread.

[AeonTorpor]

I say we leave LittleVinnie alone. He's always right, so let's leave him be. We don't want to anger the Know-It-All Nismo-Gods.

Once again, I think he's lost track of the point...

Eff that.

Friction causes heat so whats your point.

In case you can't read, 6 pucks have "LESS" surface area, thus dissipate "LESS" heat, yet they still hold more torque. So logic says that heat isn't a big factor. That means you don't need more surface to dissipate more heat because the heat isn't there. "full surface" or "reduced surface" clutches or flywheels... it doesn't matter.

And thanks easy, for the info.

[Bigvinnie]

I say we leave LittleVinnie alone. He's always right, so let's leave him be. We don't want to anger the Know-It-All Nismo-Gods.

Once again, I think he's lost track of the point...

Your just offended because I pointed out you have a ****Y product....You also compared it to fidanza, whatever....

[eazye2000]

While you cry, I'll continue to research what products will help the Nico community.. I thought that was the right thing to do, I guess you disagree.And no I'm not offended. I could buy just about any clutch/flywheel combo out there. But I chose to pick something that there was some controversy over, and put it to the test. My 240sx isn't my Daily Driver. I have 3 other vehicles. If it fails, I will document it and people will know that it's not worth it. If it lasts longer than the almighty Thor impregnated Fidanza, well then aren't you the a$$?

Buh bye now.

[Bigvinnie]

While you cry, I'll continue to research what products will help the Nico community..

LOL

Search all you want and burn that hole in your pocket!!!!!

When I called the company directly to order this flywheel, I actually talked to them for quite a while. F1's "12lb" Flywheel that's really 14lbs

OK so first off you actually spoke to this company and they withheld the fact the flywheel actually weighs 14LB.s instead of 12. I would be an unhappy consumer from the get go. They flat out lied to you!!!! You still support there product??? Fidanza still weighs 11LB.s, your not going to compete with that.

Well, turbocharging the KA isn't really a 'fad' or an 'original' thing anymore. AND PLEASE don't think I'm comparing no-name company crap to AMS when I say this. But AMS just kind of, out of the blue, started offering 240sx stuff outta nowhere. Granted they had the money, time, and patience to test their stuff.... I'll keep it at that so this thread doesn't get off topic like others...

One thing you fail to understand about reputable businesses is that they don't lie to consumers the way this flywheel manufacturer did with you.... Thats why AMS came out of nowhere, thats why they are still successful.

Edub1, the one you are talking about is like the XTD Flywheel? Here's a pic of it.And this is no way directed negatively towards anyone. But this is how I look at it.Like the F1 and XTD, they are cheap. About 190 shipped. and you can resurface them 2-3 times. Fidanza cost 300 shipped and the replaceable plate is about 60-70 bux each time you replace it. Generic Flywheel Cost- 190 +20(resurface) +20(resurface) +20(resurface).Fidanza Flyswheel Cost-300 +60(new plate) +60(new plate) +60(new plate).Generic Flywheel after 4 Clutch Jobs=250Fidanza Flywheel after 4 Clutch Jobs=480

Not only do you pay for a machining to resurface you almost have to pay to get it balanced again..$20 mmmmkkkkk try more like $70, to $100. Don't believe me call AAMCO. Fidanza friction plate still cost me $65, no balancing required unscrew old, and screw in the new, that simple. Unless you have friends in the business $20 isn't going to come that easy.

You and you hypocrisies can take a hike. Your research was horrible.


Modified by Bigvinnie at 5:11 AM 3/27/2007

[Bigvinnie]

This is how much torque a brake can exert of a clutch can handel. So you were right in this respect the bigger the number r is the more torque it can handel.

If you read my post's carefully all I was representing was radius,and larger diameter, ultimately increasing torque that is what it does. I don't know why your whole math equation came into play. You simply took me out of context....

[zanilth]

Well, I just sold my 240. Hopefully gonna get another. Unfortunately, I have bills to pay, so I can't put a helluva lot of money into my car. So, thanks for doing this research into this product. Let me know how it comes out, because if it is a decent quality product, I can definitely look into it.

[eazye2000]

Is this a$$hat still in here crying about how he's so much better than us?

[nelson8708]

the reason (IMO) that 6 puck clutches can hold more torque than a stock is because the material the friction surface is made of and that the clamping force is spread over less area so each puck is getting more of a clamping load.

[Bigvinnie]

Is this a$$hat still in here crying about how he's so much better than us?

Well your obviously going to be here a while. Your the one that is unemployed, not me. How did it feel to spend my tax dollars on your flywheel. Feels great don't it...... Great use of our economic system I'll say....

And third, I'm bored, unemployed, and I came into a bit of money and thought this would/could be beneficial to the community.

You sure are bored from my understanding your so worried about me crying.So bored that you had to put this whole thread together. Don't get me wrong, I liked the fact you weighed out the flywheels. But When you start comparing Fidanza's, to crap that is heavier than it, there is just no comparison. Sorry that your taking it the wrong way.
Modified by Bigvinnie at 2:50 PM 3/27/2007

[sil80drifter]

Ok stop the damn pissfight.This is about clutches. Leave personal stuff out of this or take it else where.

I f-in hate when good threads turn into a bunch of BS.

From now on, if it's info regarding ANYthing else outside of 240 related stuff (taxes, all that other bs), a mod will probably come in here and shut it down. Or ban someone. And it will be a shame. This is a good thread. Don't make it bad.

sil80

[eazye2000]

Ok stop the damn pissfight.This is about clutches. Leave personal stuff out of this or take it else where.

I f-in hate when good threads turn into a bunch of BS.

From now on, if it's info regarding ANYthing else outside of 240 related stuff (taxes, all that other bs), a mod will probably come in here and shut it down. Or ban someone. And it will be a shame. This is a good thread. Don't make it bad.

sil80

Thank your homeboy Lil'Vinnie. I did my best to do what I could to make a writeup about a cheaper-brand flywheel. He had to come in here and argue the fact that 'Fidanza' is a better brand.. WHO EFFIN' CARES?! The fact is, I am trying to write something up about a 'knock-off' brand that people know little about and gather my FIRST HAND experience with.A "Mod" can go ahead and lock this thread right here, I'm done trying to help out. Let's let Lil'Vinnie finish up with his last blast of steam.

[s13rb25det]

I just cruise around the block with my fresh ka which has a f1 flywheel and I like it a lot. its crazy how fast the rpms climb compared to a stock flywheel.

[Bigvinnie]

Thank your homeboy Lil'Vinnie. I did my best to do what I could to make a writeup about a cheaper-brand flywheel. He had to come in here and argue the fact that 'Fidanza' is a better brand.. WHO EFFIN' CARES?! The fact is, I am trying to write something up about a 'knock-off' brand that people know little about and gather my FIRST HAND experience with.A "Mod" can go ahead and lock this thread right here, I'm done trying to help out. Let's let Lil'Vinnie finish up with his last blast of steam.

It's funny, it's your own thread and I haven't done any name calling. That shows real maturity. I also complimented you on your thread for taking the initiative to weigh out the flywheels. To bad you take it so hard....

[AeonTorpor]

the reason (IMO) that 6 puck clutches can hold more torque than a stock is because the material the friction surface is made of and that the clamping force is spread over less area so each puck is getting more of a clamping load.

The first part about the material... that's exactly what I've been saying. So yes, you're right about that. And the second part... that doesn't change the total force, so that doesn't matter. But yeah, the first part is what really matters, and you got that right.

And vinnie, you need to mellow out, man. You've said you're not interested in it, a "waste of money". Good for you, man. Well I AM. So since you're not, just leave this thread alone and do something constructive instead of wasting your breath and our time.

[WDRacing]

Ok, this is back on my "must watch" list of threads.

This thread is about testing the elcheapo ebay clutch and flywheel. That is all...period dot. The flywheel is not better then Fidenza or SPEC, but it is cheaper.

The reall issue was all the speculation and conjecture about why not to use the ebay setup. Here we have a member who bought the setup just to test it out. Is it better then Fidenza or SPEC...no, but anyone who says options are bad is getting BANNED from this site immediatly because you may as well be preaching comunism.

The equations can all stop as well. Throwing out engineering data and equations to explain somthing is stupid. The first step in effective comunication is to know the audience you're speaking to. How many enginners do we have in here?

If you can't make your point in lamens terms, then you really don't know what you're talking about and are simply quoting text. Anyone can do that...

Friction and force are simple...

Take a knife and apply 3 lbs of down force onto a pice of wood, try to slide the wood out. Now take coffee can and exert the same 3 lbs downward force and you'll find the wood will move far easier under the coffee can. Thats the theory behind puck style clutches.

One more thing before I go, no one will make fun of a service member wasting tax dollars on my watch...EVER. He could be activated tomarrow and spend 1.2 years in the Desert. What have you done?

Back on topic.

[eazye2000]

One more thing before I go, no one will make fun of a service member wasting tax dollars on my watch...EVER. He could be activated tomarrow and spend 1.2 years in the Desert. What have you done?

Back on topic.

TY sir.

And upon driving around today, putting a few more miles on it, I did get on it a little bit more through the lower gears. The RPM's rise more steadily than before: even now, with a way lower compression motor. And not knowing if it's the clutch that isn't broken in yet, or not : starting off in first gear poses more of a challenge than before. But that is expected with a lower weight flywheel.

As time progress's, I will be updating accordingly.

*WD, you can delete this line along with all the other BS up above, Thx*

[WDRacing]

Nah, I'll leave everything up. When the clutch slips are you simply rolling onto the throttle? Because it shouldn't slip at all, especially in the lower gears. Break in or not, it shouldn't be slipping. Just don't do any drag launches and she should break in fine with city driving. I wouldn't taker her into downtown Boston until you're sure she's good though...lol.

WD

[sil80drifter]

that's the one downside I see with lightweight FW's...I've never owned a car with it, but when i drove a bunch of my friend's cars with them, I had trouble downshifting an dup shifting, as the engine would spin down so much quicker...

That 2lb difference between 12lb and 14lb just may be beneficial in those terms.... then again quick spin up and down is the point of the lightweight FW...

Very interested in progress... and long term behavior of the FW, because it if can last as long as the other famous brand names... why the hell not, you know?

sil80

[eazye2000]

She's not slipping per-say. Like Sil80 said, the RPMs drop alot faster and it's something that I just need to get used to. So starting off is a bit tricky. Driveability is fine, and I did hit about 12psi today after I tuned it a bit into the 11.8-12:1 territory WOT. I think my BOV diaphragm took a crap today because I started to get some surge on the compressor and that other vacuum port on the bottom of the BOV started hissing..

[Beazle]

The equations can all stop as well. Throwing out engineering data and equations to explain somthing is stupid. The first step in effective comunication is to know the audience you're speaking to. How many enginners do we have in here?

Someone did explain it in non-engineering term and he still didn't believe it or understand it. I will make sure I dumb down my posts from now on. I didn't mean to offend anyone.

(please put a sarcastic spin on this when you read it)And in an effort to try and help eliminate stupid explanations here are some more stupid explanations, even though someone listed it as "great info".

zerothread?id=59168http://forums.nicocl ... ?id=158096

These people are amost as stupid as I am. They use words like efficiency and Helmholtz resonance. When I hit thoes words I knew to stop reading because it is not the right kind of information.
Modified by Beazle at 2:32 PM 3/28/2007

[sil80drifter]

sorry for threadjacking and being a hypocrite, but this compressor surge comment reminded me of....

http://videos.streetfire.net/s...8.htm



those are the best noises i've heard in a long time... hope yours aren't like that...

sil80

[xTearsFallForeverx]

never had a problem with rpm drop or gear changing with my fidanza.. maybe its cause im n/a still.

[babowc]

updation>?

[eazye2000]

updation>?

Yeppers.. Took it out again today and tooled around for another 25 miles or so. Figured my gas mileage to be about 12mpg right now, lol. As far as driveability goes, seems to be just fine. Clutch engagement has been strong, but in between gears, the RPM's like to fall quite quicky. Possibly due to the light flywheel and tight motor combination. Other than that, I am very happy with the way it drives.

As far as the motor goes:8.8:1 Arias Pistons .stdARP Head/Main Studs.080 Cometic Head GasketAMS Sportsman RodsClevite Bearings .std on rods/mainsstock camsAll new timing componentsPorted/Polished head and upper intake manifoldUR Underdrive crank pulleyGT28RS Turbo w/ stock wastegate at 12psi

Air and Fueling:Z32 MAF (N62)SAFC-II740cc Deatschwerks InjectorsStock FPRStock FilterWalbro 255 HP Fuel PumpGeneric Recirc BOV w/ rebuilt diaphragm

Waiting to install:Aeromotive FPR (in-hand)Fuel Rail adapter (on its way)Some sort of ENGINE MANAGEMENT?! (undecided)

And here's a few pics:

[babowc]

lirl!^i admire your work..you got stuff done completely.. time to break the motor in?

[eazye2000]

Yes sir. Breaking her in little by little. I don't have any engine management, and you don't even want to know what I have to do to keep the ARF's right, let alone the timing! So I'm not pushing her 'too' hard, just enough. I would say a total of about 100 miles, to put my odometer right at 189,000 miles. So anything over that, I'll consider to be on the new build.Trying to get with the guys about a daughterboard/rom tuning setup at the moment, but I'll keep everyone updated!

[WDRacing]

Of course we want to know how you're using 740cc injectors with a SAFCII...lol.

[Bigvinnie]

Of course we want to know how you're using 740cc injectors with a SAFCII...lol.

I want to know too since SAFC max's at 550cc's, or what is equal to that pulse width. The ecu if stock would need to be completely retuned or standalone.

But then again I'm not an engineer I do what professionals tell me, and I learn from it....LOL

Yeah now I'm being an A$$HOLE.


Modified by Bigvinnie at 9:55 PM 4/2/2007

[Edub1]

Wow, reading through this thread and laughing. It's a fly wheel for crying out loud, how many clutches do you plan on going through?

But just on a little educational note - there are two factors that matter with regard to friction. They are a) force & b) the material's coefficiant of friction. I know it goes against intuition but surface area only enters into the equation with regard to heat, and this is a comparitivly insignificant factor.

I think larger surface areas dissipate more heat and therfore preserve the material's coefficient of friction. I might be mistaken on this last part but I am certain that surface area is not a key element of the equation. I know this because I got the question right on my physics exam.

If you don't believe me Google it.