Everything is set if you want to order your R32 GT-R LSD 4:11

[Que-45]

well its definiltely a viscous LSD, and the R32 GTR (we know its a gtr diff due to the output flanges) only came with the 4.08/4.11 (whatever you wanna call it).... so... 1+1=2

Wes, did you snag the other diff from ebay? It's no longer for sale I see. I just sent my payment this morning. -Ash

[elwesso]

no i was gonna buy it like.............................. now, but now that its no longer for sale, thats not the case....

Ill email the guy and see if he can get 1-2 more.

Jay, just so you know, this diff may not work properly with TCS/active cars.

[elwesso]

The guy has 4 MORE!!!

Im going to wait back for verification and then we'll go from there!! Ill post up information.

[superuber]

Tell him to put them up!

[elwesso]

well i was thinking it would be better for us to just buy them directly from him, that way he doesnt have to list the auction, and we are guarnteed the diffs..

Im still waiting on details.

[David Steele]

the R33 and R34 were probably mechanical, since they had the ATTESA. they were the electronically controlled diffs..........

If anyone doesnt have dibs on the diff, im in, its mine...

32-34 all came with an electronic differential and its easy to tell the difference because it has a big pump on the back of it this was only V-Spec models which has active rear differential which responded faster.

[redmanfx]

Wes, Red, do you think the diff he got on ebay is actually a 4:11?

I've found out this about the DIfferential on e-bay for $199.From a GT-R expert:

"Only attessa equiped vehicles have this rear diff it appears. and it is clutch type"

I also have some manufacturer part numbers. Both part numbers are interchangeable for gtr and gts-4p/n for pre 91/08 models is 38301-13A80- p/n for 91/08 to 93/02 skylines is 38301-13A82-

Go here for Diagram:http://img180.imageshack.us/my...4.jpg

I've been told the R32 GT-R does not have a viscous LSD! Only the GTS's do. The R33 and R34 did have the Vspec option however.
Modified by redmanfx at 10:48 AM 9/30/2006

[3Q Jay]

Jay, just so you know, this diff may not work properly with TCS/active cars.

Wes-actually the external visual is very much like mine. since my car has tcs, it has the abs sensors on each output flange---like the ebay pictured one and Red's pictured ones.So, I'm assuming that the abs harness and pickup just swaps over. I'm wanting to be corrected if i'm wrong.

So, the consensus is that the e-bay two that this guy just sold are GT-S? (viscous)

[redmanfx]

Jay, I don't think they are viscous. I think they are the GT-R non viscous diffs.

I'm getting someone to track down the 38311 P/N from the GTR LSD on the e-bay link to verify if we can use it.

[redmanfx]

I'll have an answer today. We must know "for sure" if both the VLSD and LSD off the GTR are available to us or just the non viscous. And how to tell the difference between them if both are available.

[redmanfx]

I also want ot make sure everyone knows that the GTS-4 is almost like the GTR moreso than the reg GTS! It CAN have ABS, but not the extra power of the GTR(due to smaller engine) and it's 4WD system is the same as the GTR's so it is "ATTESSA". Which means I'm checking to see if we can use the GTS-4's LSD as well.

Got a headache yet??? Once I find out, we'll know for sure and never have to look into it again.....

[redmanfx]

Ok.

Assuming an R32 GT-R.

Front diff in the engine sump is an open diff. Rear diff could be either viscous coupled LSD or clutch type LSD depending on options/Vspec, etc.)

BNR32 rear diff is plate type LSD. Front diff is open. Centre diff is electronically controlled wet multi-plate clutch.

BCNR33 std is plate diff rear, V-spec active. BNR34 std is helical rear, V-spec active. (I have no idea what it looks like)

So far this tells me the R32 was LSD and the R33 & R34 (later year GTR's) could have the VLSD.

also:by Ezzie "The BNR32 rear diff is a member of the Sumitomo "R200" short-nose family of diffs that are used in many Nissan RWD cars, including the 240SX (180SX & Silvia) and Z32 (300ZX/Fairlady). As a result, they are SIMILAR in design and I wouldn't be suprised if they all have a common case. You should be able to swap some internals like the R&P and LSD packs around..... But the BNR32 used a "clutch" type LSD (CLSD) whereas the 240SX uses either an open diff or an optional viscous type LSD (VLSD), as does the Z32.

I have not researched whether the seals, etc. are the same since I don't have my GT-R here yet so I can't tell you for sure. I am currently running "long-nose" R200 CLSD's in my rally car and the clutch plates are the same part# as used in the BNR32 CLSD's."

Still checking....
Modified by redmanfx at 10:17 AM 9/30/2006

[redmanfx]

from rbmotoring.com R32 Differences :

08/21/89 BNR32 Shipped

02/22/90 BNR32 NISMO Announced (03/11 Shipped) Air intake in front bumper Sub rear spoiler added Side protector modified Protection net removed Air guide for intercooler newly added Special Turbine Special exhaust manifold Without ABS, an Air Conditioner, rear windshield and audio Only available gungray metalic color

07/19/91 N1 BNR32 announced and shipped With GT-R NISMO aero parts Without ABS, an Air Conditioner, rear windshield and audio Pin hole disused in brake rotor Air guide equipment for brake on tension rod light weight 2 headlight After 02/92 Turbine has a metal wheel

08/20/'91 Middle model Bar added in door (50kg increased in weight) Projector light modified(H3C->H1) Driver's air bag optional Shape of crank shaft modified Cylinder block modified (reinforced partially and lighten) Rear caliper seal modified Interior partially changed

02/03/93 Minor change Late model. V-spec added Rear dif cover fin removed Clutch modified (push -> pull) Synchronizers modified Brembo caliper added(V-spec) ETS program modified(V-spec) Tires changed (V-spec: 225/50-17) BBS mesh special wheel (V-spec) # N1 model gets to based on V-spec

02/14/94 V-specII added Tire changed 245/45-17 # N1 model gets based on V-spec2

Besides these, ECU, cylinder block and the size of turbine had been modified some times without notice.

Last chassis number : Regular GT-RBNR32-314649 - November 7,1994 Vspec - BNR32-313609 - October 13,1994 Vspec II - BNR32-313930 - October 20,1994 3 runs of the R32 with chassis numbers: Early August 21,1989 - BNR32-000051 / BNR32-017466 Middle August 20,1991 - BNR32-212001 Late January 1993 - BNR32-300001 / BNR32-314649

I started this off just talking about R32's only, but we've managed to intertwine the R33's and R34's in the thread. So let's try to straighten this out a bit.

GT-R differential run down R32 - 89-94: LSD only until V-spec added late 93, V-spec II added in 02/94 ----R200 sized DiffR33 - 95-96: LSD or V-spec II option ---- R200 sized diffR34 - 97-99: LSD or V-spec II option ---- R200 sized diff

now only 1,453 V-spec's were made up to 94 and only 1,303 V-spec II's were made up to 94, so yes they are very rare. After 94 I haven't found the Data on sales of the V-spec GT-R's but when I do I'll post them.

I do not think the $199 ones on E-bay are Viscous, they are way too cheap and look exactly like the reg LSD in my picture.... If they are VSPEC and we can confirm BUY THEM....

What year Diff did James buy and install? What year Diff did Jeff get from James? Anyone know?


Modified by redmanfx at 11:20 AM 9/30/2006

[3Q Jay]

go, Red, go

[3Q Jay]

I started this off just talking about R32's only, but we've managed to intertwine the R33's and R34's in the thread. So let's try to straighten this out a bit.

GT-R differential run down R32 - 89-94: LSD only until V-spec added late 93, V-spec II added in 02/94 ----R200 sized DiffR33 - 95-96: LSD or V-spec II option ---- R200 sized diffR34 - 97-99: LSD or V-spec II option ---- R200 sized diff

now only 1,453 V-spec's were made up to 94 and only 1,303 V-spec II's were made up to 94, so yes they are very rare. After 94 I haven't found the Data on sales of the V-spec GT-R's but when I do I'll post them.

I do not think the $199 ones on E-bay are Viscous, they are way too cheap and look exactly like the reg LSD in my picture.... If they are VSPEC and we can confirm BUY THEM....

Modified by redmanfx at 11:20 AM 9/30/2006

yes, i'm getting a headache.

$199 e-bay pictures say 'vlsd' on cover, and have part number. could be a file photo vs. the real product i suppose. i can't get a hit on that P/N.

does the v-spec option categorise CLSD vs. VLSD? trying to differentiate the generic 'lsd' above vs. v-spec.

[redmanfx]

I've got someone who is checking that P/N of the one on ebay.Remember the stock rear diff in a skyline is clutch type as well p/n for pre 91/08 models is 38301-13A80- p/n for 91/08 to 93/02 skylines is 38301-13A82-Now since these parts numbers are for the pre V-spec era they would have to be the CLSD or reg LSD.

The 38311-44M00 P/N on the ebay has not been verified yet.

At first he said it was good but then said he needs to check again......
Modified by redmanfx at 12:07 PM 9/30/2006

[elwesso]

i dont know if you guys are making this too hard, or if im overlooking something....

But all we need to know is that its indeed a VLSD... and the sticker on the diff posted on ebay proves that!

you guys with the standard US parts book probably wont get any hits on the NISSAN FAST system, but i have the euro and general ones that i THINK have the skyline listed in there so we can verify...

I dont know why you guys are trying to break all this crap down... if we KNOW:

1. it has the 6 bolt output flanges2. Is an R200 diff3. is an VLSD4. Is a 4.08/4.10/4.11 or maybe even a 4.36!

== then we should be golden, right????

I will check the parts book once i get back to my computer tomorrow.... i still havent gotten any emails back from the ebay guy so we're not really missing out on anything at the moment....

[redmanfx]

Wes, I want to check the P/N because only 2,700 R32 vlsd's were made and anyone can put a sticker on something. It's the price that gets me. He must not know what he is selling for $199. That's all I'm saying. That's such a low price! Excellent find if it's legit (which is very well could be)!!

Besides, I want all Q45 folks to know what exactly to order and how not to get the wrong thing. I want everybody to know that you want the VLSD and not the LSD. Educating EVERYONE is my goal. What good is information if it's not posted where people can see. If it's in someone's head and not in a Q45 Modification article or something, then how is that helping.

Contrary to popular belief the subject has NOT be covered in detail in any thread so that even a Newbie could understand. Just a couple of "this is what I got" that didn't properly explain what people were getting and what the difference between that and something else was. A couple of somewhat confusing threads is all I've seen. I guess I just don't want to talk over people's heads in other words. I was very confused early on when hearing about the GT-R stuff. Nico is a place were you can get a clear picture right?

So we DO want the VLSD and not the reg LSD, reguardless if the early R32 CLSD (or LSD) has the 6 bolt flange or not. The R33 and R34 VLSD's are ok to get as well. I'll get JDM ONLINE Quotes for these types of VLSD's then. I want everyone to be clear.

rule!

What about the R34 GTR VLSD's having to hook up the ets. That means they would not work in the Q right?
Modified by redmanfx at 2:17 PM 9/30/2006

[3Q Jay]

Wes, please do check on the P/N. VLSD is good by me, even if it has more drivetrain loss. I know that I don't want the 2-way mechanical. yeah i'm old, no i don't drift my Q's.

1- way mechanical would be ok by me, too.

[David Steele]

If they are VSPEC and we can confirm BUY THEM....

V-spec have active differentials they dont work with out the abs computer otherwise it will act like an open differential.

[elwesso]

Wes, please do check on the P/N. VLSD is good by me, even if it has more drivetrain loss. I know that I don't want the 2-way mechanical. yeah i'm old, no i don't drift my Q's.

1- way mechanical would be ok by me, too.

I even doubt there was any nissans that came with a factory 2 way diff. if there was the 240 guys would be all over them instead of getting the kusco diffs and stuff.

[superuber]

i dont know if you guys are making this too hard, or if im overlooking something....

But all we need to know is that its indeed a VLSD... and the sticker on the diff posted on ebay proves that!

you guys with the standard US parts book probably wont get any hits on the NISSAN FAST system, but i have the euro and general ones that i THINK have the skyline listed in there so we can verify...

I dont know why you guys are trying to break all this crap down... if we KNOW:

1. it has the 6 bolt output flanges2. Is an R200 diff3. is an VLSD4. Is a 4.08/4.10/4.11 or maybe even a 4.36!

It will NOT work!I just got the diff today. This is NOT a R200. This thing is huge.It will not even bolt up. I am going to check to see what gears and if they will work. I'm doubtful!

[Que-45]

It will NOT work!I just got the diff today. This is NOT a R200. This thing is huge.It will not even bolt up. I am going to check to see what gears and if they will work. I'm doubtful!

Can you take a pic of the q45 diff and the skline diff next to eachother

[superuber]

Yes i can. If indeed this is a skyline diff. He said it was a R32. The gears are huge. They are to big to even fit in theQ case. The two rear studs are about an inch wider than the Q diff. It just would not fit! Maybe this diff is another animal.Has someone taken an actual r32 and installed it in a Q?Because if this is a R32 it won't work!

[3Q Jay]

super, i'm confused.

you bought this diff?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...24769

i thought que-45 bought this one.

[superuber]

Sorry, I should explain. Yes que-45 did buy that diff. I was curiosabout the diff and contacted the seller. he sold me one privately.His shipping was not good. Shipped it in a card board box and slightlybent the left output shaft. Not bad, still usable. Right away I could see it was too big. I have a spare Q diff to compare to. Like I said before IF this is a R32 it will not work. I tore it down and the gears are viscous, but a lot larger. I could not even modify it to fit, or use the gears. There seems to be alot more variables than others think.Maybe the one in my hands is something else. I have two Q diffs, one is 92and one is 95, even these vary a little between tcs or no tcs, abs location also differs, and these are both out of a Q. the other thought, is this a R32? If so who has put one in? Was it really a R32? I built my diff from a non turbo Z diff (4:08). I was interested in a spare thats why I picked this one up. When you guys put yours in was it a R32 or was it something else? If so, what the heck is this diff I bought?I want to post pics but the gallery is down!

[redmanfx]

superuber, when I e-mailed the seller he said he was sold out of the ones in the e-bay thread, but he had more differentials that were bigger and he didn't know what they were. I hope you didn't get shipped one of those. Maybe even a R34 LSD?

That's why I wanted to verify the part numbers before everyone started buying these. I'm doubling my efforts to get that part number verified.

[superuber]

Maybe thats what happened. He said it was a R32.

[superuber]

It does however look an awful lot like his ebay auction one sold to Q-45. The real test will be to have Q-45 see if his fits, or do some measurements.I'm not sure if He does his own work or not?For his sake I hope mine is different!Let me know what you find out Red.

[Que-45]

It does however look an awful lot like his ebay auction one sold to Q-45. The real test will be to have Q-45 see if his fits, or do some measurements.I'm not sure if He does his own work or not?For his sake I hope mine is different!Let me know what you find out Red.

I'm goin to drop my diff down in the next few days and take a good look at them both. The diff I got is exactly the one in the photos in the auction. It doesn't look that big to me but then again I don't have my diff out of my q45 yet to compare. I'll keep everyone posted.