Drafting into the military

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:05 pm

Dunno if you guys have heard the news that there are plans for a draft next year. Heard this from some recruiters saying that cuz of the large shortfalls of the incoming troops into the service, that they're hoping to get a draft started. Apparently the Army fell way short this year on recruits only getting about 30k out of their 100k quota. It's not just them either, everyone else with the exception of the Corps. have been falling short. Apparently Ashcroft is also working with Canadian officials to extradite draft dodgers when it comes up. College is also being ruled out as an acceptable excuse. I'll keep you guys posted with what more I can find out from my local recruiting officers.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:09 pm

I know the airforce has almost reached 100% of their recruitment goals for this year, and roughly 50% of their goal for the first part of next year.

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:11 pm

dunno, I found out about this a couple weeks ago from AF recruiters only trying to find out more about it and that's what I've been told.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:13 pm

I'll look for the article man. give me a few min. I am still thinking 'bout joining the Air Force. Was gonna go back to the recruiter this week.

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:15 pm

Yeah I'll ask around for some more info. I'll try to get in touch with my Corps. recruiters and see what they have to say. Just thought I'd give some of you guys a heads up as to what may be brewin' around the corner.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:22 pm

This is a good article to read. Not the one I wanted, but says the same thing basically.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

"Re-enlistments are at an all-time high. In fact, the Air Force found themselves in the embarrassing position of having too many troops this year (2004), and are actively encouraging several thousands to apply for early discharge. Recruiting is doing so well this year (2004), that new recruits, who are accepted, often have to wait six or seven months in the Delayed Enlistment Program (DEP) in order for a "slot" to open up for them."

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:26 pm

Dunno, just talked to a buddy who's dad is in the Army. He told me it was just a matter of time. I tend to believe what people say from the inside, rather than what is listed by military advertiser guys or the mass media.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:37 pm

The airforce is eliminating thousands of MOS's I have a friend in the Air Force who confimed this. If you read all of that article it really does show how impractical a draft is.

Post by **gabossie** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:39 pm

There are plans, it's been public knowledge for months, but for some reason no one seems to pay attention to it. It's potentially very real. I'm ready to go to jail for concientous objection.

Post by **gabossie** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:42 pm

It's the army that's having big problems with enlistment and re-enlistment especially. Alot of people go into the airforce because it's the easiest way through military service.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:42 pm

LOL tell them you are Gay. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Can't be in the military if your a queer. Don't ask Don't tell. lol

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:44 pm

Here are some links that give some numbers

http://www.alternet.org/story/18225http ... ke...0.htm (This article was taken from the Chicago Tribune apparently [at the bottom]) doesn't say it won't happen but doesn't rule it out.http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/....htmlespecially with the growing number of friends I have being called out of reserve and the increased number of Nat'l Guard that seem to be going active, I'd think that something like that might happen.

I've found some more numbers on the possible age range, 18-25 year old will be in the age range apparently without regard to gender.

From what I'm reading from various newspaper sources, it looks like politicians are tip-toeing around the subject and saying they're not commited to it, but not going to dismiss the possibility. Especially before an election since another draft would severly piss people off.

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:49 pm

It's really no wonder politicians aren't talking about it and are trying to keep it under wraps. If a politician were for the draft, I'm certain that the generation that had to go through Vietnam would raise hell since it'd probably be their kids that are about the age that'd fit right into the group being selected for the draft.

The ammendment of the Universal Selective Service Act of 2003 also makes it possible for women to be drafted.

"Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service." -Bill # S.89

Post by **w1ngzer0** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:56 pm

yay another draft for political gain. I already suffer from depression. So if i get picked you will see my body on the 5'oclock news.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:57 pm

Did you read the article I posted? All of it not just a bit? How could they afford to pay that many people? That is requiring every citizen between 18-25 to perform a duty. It would bankrupt the country.

Post by **w1ngzer0** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:05 pm

lol just did. I was tired and didn't think it would be interesting 3billion dollors for housing eh? wow. Thats more then pres. bush borrows :P

Post by **gabossie** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:07 pm

lol, it's not like EVERY person between 18-25 would actually be drafted.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:09 pm

The way i see it if i can join the Airforce I probly will. If the gov. makes you join the army/Navy/marines/Air force you could come up with something, or simply proclaim that you are a Homosexual. Who cares if it's true the military can't prove otherwise. DON'T ASK DON'T TELL

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:12 pm

The way it reads in the 2 articles I have seen it this is what they are saying. If you can't make it in the Military you have to do some sort of community service. The way it is stated is that everyone must participate. Thats how it looks to me. You gotta pay the people or else it's unethical. We would be a Human rights disaster area.

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:17 pm

Didn't they do that in Vietnam though? I mean I wasn't alive back then to see it or feel it but I reckon it'd be along pretty similar lines though. Only thing I've found that could bail you from the draft is if you're the first born male or a conscientious objector but that'd require some backup from some local religious guy saying that you're against the war and this and that cuz once you're drafted you're government property

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:19 pm

No no no you gotta claim to be a queer before the draft. Slap a guys ***. That might convince them, unless your drafted into the Navy...Ewww

My friend in the Force told me about this girl who got drunk and kissed another girl. they investigated her for Homosexuality. So they are apearantly quite scared of the homosexuals.

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:24 pm

lol! well it I'd think that if the politicians were brave enough to let a draft go through, that they'd also go so far as to do some checks on whether you're gay or not. Otherwise I think everyone would be taking the "I'm gay" route or "I'm a Quaker" route.

BTW do any of you know if non-citizens are allowed to be drafted?

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:31 pm

Well if they aren't citizens then they arent signed up for selective services. I wouldn't think. So then currently no they would be excluded.

Post by **Toahk** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:17 pm

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/...00089:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/...00163:

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:27 pm

Toahk, the pages aren't loading up. How about a gist of the stuff?

Oh here's a CBS News video by Jim Stewart on the possibly impending draft.

http://search.atomz.com/search...p-s=0

it's the third link.

Post by **180fan** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:34 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...shtml

another cbs article. some of the later news articles from CBS though are taking back some of the earlier statements, but dunno it could be a tactic by politicians to shut the matter up till after elections. Apparently they've also come up with a new name for the draft, calling it "stop-less" policy.

Post by **w1ngzer0** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:59 pm

as someone said on this forum a while back. terrorlst don't have a country. If it did this war on "terror" would end. But i think its just a bunch of angry people.

Post by **Bubba1** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:39 am

A few quick observations about the upcoming draft.

1. The draft is not a popular election year issue. So no one up for relection is going to stress to parents that their kids might have be drafted to prolong two wars, and that deferrments and escapes to Canada will no longer work. (Kinda ironic that those are same deferrments that several of those currently in office used during Vietnam)

2. I chuckled about the the question of affording it. This administration and Congress have already rung up more debt in one year than any previous administration/Congress. What makes you think any of them won't tack on several billion more to it for a draft? They have no concept of a budget now. Who'll pay it back? You, me, our children and grandchildren in the form of taxes. Can't erase that much debt with a stroke of the pen, and the interest is piling on.

I'll stop and put on my flame suit

Post by **Jesda** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:08 am

The draft issue was first brought up by congressman Charles Rangle, a Democrat from New York. His justification for it was a claimed lack of equality in the military, his belief that the poor and dark skinned have no other option but to sign up and die for uncle sam. Its absurd of course, since our volunteer military is the most effective and productive.

The bill never got past committee, and died promptly. The motive behind it was to perpetuate a conspiracy theory that the administration wanted a draft to force young men could to go die for oil. Well, Chuck, it worked.

Even "news" sites like congress.org published an email that continues to be forwarded around, claiming that we have to watch out and think about who we're voting for because Bush wants a draft. The Left pushed to portray the war in Iraq as another Vietnam; what more effective way than to add the word "draft" to all the media buzz? The average person will hear three words -- war, bush, and draft -- and will conclude that a second Vietnam conflict is on the way.The Internet is so fast at spreading news, and so effective at spreading bull****.

Senator Kerry then accused the administration of implementing a back-door draft policy. Whoops! It was Democrat Charles Rangle! And it never left committee! But hey, its American politics. Thats how the game is played.

Post by **ilovedrifting** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:49 am

Now i know you don't agree with the war, but surely you'd help the country in wich you live and you love. America needs us and if there is a draft if you are drafted, you need to go and do your duty as an american

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