Drafting into the military

[180crafter]

In Morally Good, I was not talking abou tthe war alone, But the countries politics as a whole. And a war can be for a good reason, which somehow gets lost when you make a war against an Idea.

[180fan]

There is not going to be any draft in the near future. Just because you read something on the internet doesn't make it true.

Some people think it is worth putting our lives on the line to make sure you all can sit on your fat *** and surf the ' net all day, don't presume to think you know what we think when bullets start flying.

Um yeah. I got the word FIRST from service men. After, I started digging around. It's not just the internet dude, if it were only that simple. There are other things that are all intermingled in this thing regardless of what some may think. Politics today are far from just simple black and white, lots of special interest groups, lots of agendas. Oh yeah like I'm sure most of us are all just sitting on our rears the whole day just surfing the web. It may have never occured to you that some of us are students, some have jobs, and this and that.

Next thing is that the thread was speculative. From the start. Saying it's possible, I even said that most politicians wouldn't even go near the draft epecially in an election year (though not sure if I put up links to politicians quotes). Or did that completely evade you? All I'm saying is that it's a strong possibilty, I've talked to guys who are out there recruiting people and I'm just relaying that info out since that's what they told me. Them being friends of mine I'll take their word over the governments rhetoric (in general). Backing it up with stuff I find online is alot more convenient than going out on a plane to go to washington and getting my sources there. It's not like this is a doctorial thesis by any means. But then again you're also here online reading about things on how to fix your car too. Does the fact that it's online make it false? Probably not and you'd be a retard to think so. Also to think that what your superiors are telling you is absolutely true would be pretty dumb too. It's like saying that everything your parents told you like the existance of the easter bunny and santa claus is all true. There are such things as alterior motives. Like your folks have the motive to get you to behave for fun activities. Dig around for yourself you'd be surprised at some of the stranger things you'd find on the topic.

Here's one I found slightly comical, saying that it was prophecised in the bible.

http://www.bibletime.com/nw/log/2004/06/26/Draft/

[180crafter]

Dude. That website sux. I dont belive in god, but if I did, I would freak out. Remember dude, I live in Miami FL.

Damn Bastard. Im freaking out all the God lovers here at work.

[Cold_Zero]

I found some interesting facts about how the US Military Draft works:"the United States military normally operates using only volunteer troops. In the event of a conflict or other anomalous situation, the president may call in reserve troops and the national guard to supplement military personnel on active duty. If the military were to require additional troops after all available reserve personnel had been called to active duty, congress and the president would have to consider reinstating the draft. To reinstate the draft, the congress would have to pass appropriate legislation, and the president would have to approve that legislation. After the president enacted this legislation, the Selective Service System would switch gears rapidly, going from "registration mode" to "draft mode." http://people.howstuffworks.com/us-draft2.htm

I guess in order to institute a draft, the Congress would have to legislate it and the President to approve it. Therefore, the DOD nor the President alone can reinstate the draft. (Which makes me feel better.)

[180crafter]

http://people.howstuffworks.com/us-draft2.htm[/url]

I guess in order to institute a draft, the Congress would have to legislate it and the President to approve it. Therefore, the DOD nor the President alone can reinstate the draft. (Which makes me feel better.)

Me 2.

[vicki]

I always thought that was common knowledge?

Only Congress has the right to declare war and draw up militia.

It's under article 1 section 8 in the constitution.. think it was drawn up by Hamilton

[Cold_Zero]

Lets remember too, they have to deploy the Active elements of the Military, the National Guard or Reserve Elements and the Inactive Reserves before they can institute the draft. My dad was orders after he retired from the Army to report to Fort Riley (KS) if the Inactive Reserves were called to war.

bud

[Cold_Zero]

I always thought that was common knowledge?

Only Congress has the right to declare war and draw up militia.

It's under article 6 section 9 in the constitution.. think it was drawn up by Hamilton

True, The Congress can declare war, draw up a Military and ratify treaties. Most people think the job of the Congress to draw up a Military resides only in Budget Appropriations.

States are allowed to draw up a Militia as well, ergo the National Guard.

[vicki]

hahaha i dont know where the 6 and 9 came from but I edited my post. lol

yuengling is your friend.

[nismofan14]

yuengling is your friend. [/QUOTE]

Yes it is, only in Pennsylvania though

[austins240]

hmmmm..... i wasn't going to chime in but i saw a couple of things that did bother me. i shall state my responses as best as i can.

if there ever is a draft (not doubting it may happen nor proclaiming it) and YOU for some reason feel that it is better to leave the country rather than join, i say go ahead. but don't look back. you don't have to believe in the GOVT's ideals but damnit, if you are asked to serve do the right thing, bite your tongue and have some damn pride in yourself and your country.

also, there are other jobs than just killing people in the military. although during a conflict we have to it's not a job. it's kill or be killed. take me for example, i'm a radio rapairman/network tech yet i carry a 9mm and an M4 with me everywhere i go. i have traveled this country several times now too. **** happens, personally i'd rather not die. cause and effect.

about the nuculear subject. touchy isn't it. but waving the "if you do it i will to" flag just doesnt' work anymore. guess what, these terrorlst organizations that have INFESTED and IMBEDDED themselves in these middle eastern countries will continue to fight until we kill every last one of them. guess what, they don't give a damn if we tell them we'll shoot back. if we kill them we are the ones doing them great justice, they believe they will be rewarded for it. i watched a small toyota sedan take on two M1 tanks. yeah. now you tell me how much sense it would take you to figure out that it's not gonna work.

on another "happier" note, i re-enlisted for 4 additional years a year and a half ago after my first enlistment was finished for "needs of the army". that's right, no incentives. call me crazy but i for one love my country.

god bless and sleep well at night. those that run from the draft and want to be chicken **** doging the system, let me find you and may god have mercy on your souls if you should EVER feel the need to hide behind a picket sign. and you should thank those that have died for the country every single day for some of you to sit here and say their sacrifice was in error. they died for the country, not for you. if you don't believe in the country then leave. we ARE a country based on these ideals....believe it or not. accept it or not. red or green pill.

well i guess that about summs it up. somewhat of a rant but i'm sick and tired of being shot at every damn day for **** sticks to sit back in their lazy boys and slander the GOVT or even worse, the military. if that last comment offends you, you know that you're wrong. burn in hell.

GOD BLESS AMERICA(yes, it says God)

Austin

[austins240]

oh, and on a final note....

yes, you are free to do what you want in this country. i am a firm believer in doing what you want as long as it doesn't cross any of my above stated "hate comments" or acts against everything our freedom stands for. you want to be gay go ahead. just don't fuggin touch me. want to believe in the devil and say he is your savior? go ahead, just don't tell me about it. i don't care. it IS a FREE country. ok, that's enough, gotta go.

austin

[MaineExport]

The US cannot "send" anyone to become a citizen of another country.

::cough::CIA::cough::

I'm not saying that these airmen were CIA ops... but the gov't and military CAN DO just about anything they want to. If you've signed your a$$ over to Uncle Sam... you are their PROPERTY. It may have been a voluntary operation... but these were US military... not US civilians. On paper they may have been discharged from US service in order to immigrate... but it was entirely orchestrated by the US and British governments for the purpose of military support from the US.

[driverdriver]

If you don't want to get drafted, write a letter to Cheney and ask him instructions on how the kids of rich Americans get deferred over and over again.