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Post by **MasterMan** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

alright... im building a new system soon.. every system i have build b4 has been half a$sed because i never have the money to buy everything at once.. so this time im gonna order everything at once.. so check the list and tell me if u have anything to add or take away.. and whatnot...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------Hard drives-----------1 - 100GB EIDE 7200 RPM, 2MB, 8.9ms. Western Digital -- $92.79 http://www.upgrade-solution.com/

1 - 40.0GB EIDE, 7200Rpm, 2MB BUFFER Western Digital -- $57.74http://www.upgrade-solution.com/

CDROM-----------AOpen 48x12x50x IDE -- $37.00http://www.pcdirect.com/produc...81250

Artec DHM-G48 16X IDE DVD w/Software Retail -- $30.00 http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/...73201

Ram----Max. 3 GB unbuffered PC3200/PC2700/PC2100/PC1600 non-ECC DDR RAM Memory (Twinbank)

http://www.pcwonderinc.com/51pc400mhzdd4.html -- $53.99

CPU----AMD ATHLON 2500+ XP 512KB PROCESSOR - $115 http://www.monarchcomputer.com...ode=P

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...EPA=1 --96.00$

vid----GeForce 4 MX440 8X AGP 64MB DDR+DVI+TV OUT - $ 63.00http://www.cmicomputer.com/cgi...l=yes

Motherboard-----------Asus A7N8X Socket A AMD (333FSB) DDR - $102.81

http://www.tufshop.com/store/product461.html

Case------

Extra Mid Case P4 400W, Side Window, Case Fan w/3 Blue LED Lights, Electro Plating -- 66$

http://www.cmicomputer.com/cgi...h=yes

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

looks pretty good, and similar to what i am going to get. (soon hopefully..)

Post by **MasterMan** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

yeah its gonna be around 650$... wich is alot but it should last me for like 2 years.. into college and such.. plus my mom and grandma are helpin me out on payin for it.. im thinkin of just spendin the money and getting 2 or 3 100 gig drives.. i need the space... for.... *reasons*

Post by **Tino** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

nice, similiar to the build I'm buying soon here. Props on the motherboard same here, great for games.

Post by **BadMojo** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

Two things...

Be careful about getting an "off brand" power supply. Crappy power supplies can cause major headaches. I've always had *great* luck with Antec stuff. Their cases are also top notch and not too hideously expensive.

Also, make sure you get a quality brand of memory. Again, defective memory can cause all sorts of wacky and hard to diagnose problems. I like Crucial memory (http://www.crucial.com), but Corsair is a good brand too. Mushkin is also good stuff, but really expensive.

Why not get a nice CDROM/CDRW/DVD combo drive? You can get Lite On for $59 from Newegg.

Post by **Demonic240** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

BadMojo wrote:Two things...

Be careful about getting an "off brand" power supply. Crappy power supplies can cause major headaches. I've always had *great* luck with Antec stuff. Their cases are also top notch and not too hideously expensive.

Also, make sure you get a quality brand of memory. Again, defective memory can cause all sorts of wacky and hard to diagnose problems. I like Crucial memory (http://www.crucial.com), but Corsair is a good brand too. Mushkin is also good stuff, but really expensive.

Why not get a nice CDROM/CDRW/DVD combo drive? You can get Lite On for $59 from Newegg.

:withstup

Yes don't skimp on PS or Memory, it can make or break a system. NewEgg.com is an excelent place to get parts from.

Samsung also makes a good Combo DVD/CDRW Drive.

And Why are you going with a 100GB and a 40GB ... You can get a Seagage Baracuda 160GB for less, and IMO alot better then the WDC.

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...der=1

Post by **BadMojo** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

The Seagate Barracuda's sound decent. Not the best performers, but quiet. I've got one of the Western Digital "Special Edition" drives with the 8mb buffer. The larger buffer is nice and AFAIK the Special Edition drives have a longer warranty than the normal ones. Might wanna check that though.

The drives that you have listed should be fine, as long as you're getting a good price from a reputable retailer.

Check http://www.resellerratings.com to make sure you don't get hosed.

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

heres the one i was going to get: http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....thlon

im missing a few things but they are easy to pick out...

I think I am going to get an Apple now though.

Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

macs are poop. My mom's imac has eaten through no less than 3 harddrives, yes, its on its 4th. the first one we replaced with a stock one, then when that died, she got an 80 gig maxtor one, when that died, she replaced it with another mac one, that died, so she got a crappy harddrive and it seems to do the job. This is all in the last 2 years mind you. The 80 gig had a warranty, and since my PC hd sucked, she gave me the fried harddrive to send into the company to get a new one. They sent me back a 120 gig hd.

Post by **MasterMan** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

with the harddrives i like to have my OS and installed stuff on one drive (the 40 gig) and all my other stuff.. like mp3z and such on the other drive.. it keeps everything clean and easy to format and reinstall.. wich i do every 2 - 3 months..

Post by **corn322** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

about the geforece 4 mx440... it'll be fine as long as your not serious into gaming. if you are a big gamer, go with either a gefore4 ti series, or if you don't have that kind of money, get a geforce 3. and don't be afraid to look at ATI's cool video cards.

Post by **Demonic240** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

MasterMan wrote:with the harddrives i like to have my OS and installed stuff on one drive (the 40 gig) and all my other stuff.. like mp3z and such on the other drive.. it keeps everything clean and easy to format and reinstall.. wich i do every 2 - 3 months..

ever heard of partitions

Post by **trpower7** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

If you need help building it I've done it professionally for several years and have built a few dozen computers from scratch at least. Your list sounds very good and well concieved, buy a good 450 watt power source, it's extremely important. If you have any other questions, e-mail me at [email protected].

Post by **Eklectrick** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

You should get the 8mb cache WD hd. if you sacrifice 20 gigs on the 100 gig, you can get it for the same price. also, I would get the Geforce 4 ti 4200 64mb card unless you don't care about gaming. It is cheap and kicks arse. also, I don't trust AOpen products that much.

Post by **90Q45blue** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ is having some heating problems. Go with a 2600+. Worth the extra money for a lack of hassle and a power increase.

WD special editions rock. Get two of them.

RAM: don't get crappy RAM. I only use Micron but I'm a RAM snob

get Micron, Corsair, Kingston or Samsung only. DO NOT get PNY.

MX geforce cards suck. Refresh rate isn't as good and the resolution options are limited. Get a Ti series only. ATI sucks unless you wanna spend 300 for the 9700 pro.

Just my .02

Nick

Post by **BadMojo** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

90Q45blue wrote:RAM: don't get crappy RAM. I only use Micron but I'm a RAM snob get Micron, Corsair, Kingston or Samsung only. DO NOT get PNY.

Crucial is Micron's in-house memory. Some stuff marketed as Micron memory might not be 100% their stuff...as in, Micron chips on someone else's PCB. You could get good Micron chips mounted on crappy PCB...go with Crucial, Corsair...etc. I don't have any experience with Kingston or Samsung.

Post by **BadMojo** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

90Q45blue wrote:MX geforce cards suck. Refresh rate isn't as good and the resolution options are limited. Get a Ti series only. ATI sucks unless you wanna spend 300 for the 9700 pro.

I'm gonna have to disagree on the ATI part of that. ATI makes some very good stuff that can compete with Nvidia at several different price levels. As I recall, Maximum PC magazine recently did a comparison review of mid-range video cards, and the 9500 Pro did *very* well. I'll check the article if I can find it.

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

toms hardware is your friend

Post by **s14sr20det** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

I bought an Athlon XP 1700 processor for $ 42.00 and overclocked it to 2.5GHz (something like XP3000) which is faster then P4 2.8GHz.So basically I got an XP3000 for $42.00.

Post by **MasterMan** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

Demonic240 wrote:ever heard of partitions

i dont like partitions, call me odd.. but i like to have seprate drives. so if anything goes really wrong then i still have the other drive.. plus i store alot of stuff on my drives that is worth alot of money.. ive lost it once.. its not gonna happen agine..

Quote »If you need help building it I've done it professionally for several years and have built a few dozen computers from scratch at least. Your list sounds very good and well concieved, buy a good 450 watt power source, it's extremely important. If you have any other questions, e-mail me at [email protected].[/quote]ah thanks man, ive been building computers for a while now also.. im currently a computer consultent, and A+ certifyed so i can mannage

thanks tho!

Post by **MasterMan** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

s14sr20det u have any experice with watercooling? i had a friend that had the set up a while back and it ran for years no problems.. im thinking if im gonna OC my chips then i should go with watercooling.. plus it looks sweet.. havein a radator in your computer.. lol..

Post by **s14sr20det** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

No, I never installed or delt with WC, plus its way to expensive.Im happy with my computer as it is, runs cool and demolishes P4 @ 3GHz, and only cost me under 800 bucks to built (including a 21" monitor)

Post by **SHIFT_Z** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

Pentium IV motherboard

-Kev

Post by **Demonic240** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

Perfectly understandable MasterMan .. I personally use RAID Solutions .. quite a bit more money, but if a HD fail's all i have to do is replace it, and I loose no data. I have done several WC Systems, love them to death especially on a EPoX 8DRA+ / AMD XP Combo. If you want to talk about it, can do so in the chat room.

Post by **hannibal** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

I'm a big fan of ATI all in wonder series. I dont play a lotta games, but if you watch DVD and wanna watch TV on your PC, then check it out.Also check out http://www.pricewatch.comIt lists some really good prices from a bunch of different retailers...

Post by **Mayhem_J30** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

4Gig of memory is overkill unless you're running a SQL DB or something. 512M should be the sweet spot you're aiming for. I benchmarked higher with the PC3200 but for some reason it runs better with the 2700. Must be the technology...dunno.

If you go with the Geforce 4 skip the MX and go with the Ti with the extra money you'll save from not buying so much memory.

Also check out Volcano heat sinks for that 2500+ you got. It'll take care of the heating issues and it'll be quieter

Post by **s14sr20det** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

GF4 MX are the worst cards ever.

Post by **Fezzik** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

Like someone said on here. A good power supply is important and if u want to game get the geforce ti 4200 or higher. Yeah that much memory is overkill. He said 512 is the sweet spot and they were right. i'd only consider even 1 gig of memory if u run intense applications to their max. I personally would spend a little more and get the P4 with hyperthreading and 800mhz bus (more for getting the hyperthreading which helps with multiple applications gonig) Not too much more for the 2.8Ghz. and easily overclockable. If you got any questions just give me an email. Ahh i remember building my first computer with my dad..... An old Zenith Heathkit that used CPM, no hard drive and had vaccum tubes in it.

Post by **s14sr20det** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

You guys are n00bs, I built a killer system that kills P4 3GHz for under 800 bucks!Newegg.com has the BEST prices and the BEST customer service!I ordered **** from them and it was here 2-3 days later, never late.Example; P4 3GHz = around $350 P4 = 3GHzAthlon XP 1700B = $42 XP1700B = 1.47stock - 2.6+OverclockedI ran few banchmarks, and my computer kills a standard P4 3Ghz system.

Post by **s14sr20det** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

If anyone is planning on building a system, get these from newegg.com

Abit nF2 motherboardRadeon 9700 ProCorsair 512MB DDR XMS Athlon XP 1700B430W Antec True PSTDK 52x24x52 CD/RW120GB HDAntec Case

all this will run you under 800 bucks!

do u build ur own computer? check this..

do u build ur own computer? check this..

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