Deployment!
As HKC said, I will be thankfully be reflecting and praying over our brave men and women in peril - and hoping our Favorite Torturing Lying Dictator (replacing Idi) doesn't claim as many lives as he has unprepared minds through propaganda and brilliant politics against the weakest of intellects and fortitudes.
Well. It's a good thing I listen to right wing radio. I've heard everything mss has listed.quote:
Originally posted by msscomm 10,000 liters of Anthrax ! ! !
Iraq ADMITTED they had PRODUCED at LEAST that quantity of something as vile as this toxin - when will it end up in another wackos’’ hands ? And delivered here ? Are Anti-war proselytizers DEMANDING Iraq admit its own words, AGAIN, and show where the current stock of Tens of THOUSANDS OF LITERS of weapons are ?
I believe Iraq's words are that they destroyed it right after the Gulf War. If they didn't destroy it, then the inspectors should be given time to discover it. So far there is no evidence of WMD's. We do not know if he has them. There is no evidence. None.
THAT is the very essence of what Blixie da Pixie has been asking for, and no, there was NOT an accounting of Anthrax, VX and Sarin being destroyed, just some of their Mustard stores and delivery shells getting the heave ho. Come on, Powell slapped El Baharadi down by saying the IAEA was only days away from declaring Iraq Nuke free earlier, just before we started digging up the Gas separation centrifuge parts and the rest of the Nuke program evidence THANKS TO Saddams’ son. (WERE YOU JUST AS CONVINCED THEN OF IRAQ’S INNOCENCE ? ? ?) And I seem to recall the bald faced lies from the same lying Bustards spouting out currently how clean they were and how the world was pickin on po, po lil ole’ Iraq - Iraq ADMITTED they had the thousands of liters of banned weapons already, tough to deny when it was printed and admitted to earlier, and it was OBVIOUSLY never entered into the REQUIRED current decelerations, How easy would it have been for all of the evidence and locations to have been made available to the inspectors from the start to prove everything was destroyed - Games like that MAKE IT OBVIOUS, the lying camel jockies from Iraq have something to hide !
quote: First - I have served and anyone who has, can regard the loss of life as atrocious - newly made friends, comrades, fellow men and women serving - any of "ours" vs "them in the midst of a firefight - it SUCKS and no sane person should look forward to war -
You would never get an argument from me on that.
Amen Brother ! - As most of your fellow Canucks, a damn fine bunch o’ guys that really do have it together, just like the cold too much - How can you not help but love a country that produces Moosehead - “A fine beer, and a hell of a rush for the Moose”
quote: IMHO, while we don’’t ask for war - it HAS been brought to our shores - by the very likes of the Iraqi madman and similar fanatics - and are we to sit here and turn the other cheek ?
War has been brought to the US by radical Muslim extremists. Saddam is not religeous. He is the leader of the Ba'ath party. Bin Laden is only a little less dangerous to Saddam than he is to the US. Iraq is a secular "apostate" state. After the radicals bring the "Great Satan' to its knees the "little Satans" will be dealt with.
"Turn the other cheek"? Yes, if you are Christian.
HELL NO ! ! ! WE (I) WILL GO ! ! ! We have a lil' history of doing what is RIGHT (you're welcome, France) - While we support Israel and several of the autocratic and other friendly secular countries w/$$ and arms (now who was dat nasty ole largest arms dealer in the world ?), we do NOT blow up thousands of civilians over fanatical points of view! History is replete with individual cases we can all dredge up to support our immediate position, but let’s address todays real threats: Saddams’ arsenal, and the Axis of evil letting their toys go to anyone who also opposes their enemies. An intersting insight on Middle Eastern Bomb Makers instructing the Oklahoma City Bomers is at http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002217 , http://www.jaynadavis.com/ , http://www.newsmax.com/showins...11218 . Turn the other cheek, and await nukes and bug bombs ?
quote: Wether you voted for W or not, he MUST act like an adult and adjudicate in the best interest of our country -
We can only hope.
Nope, Hope is for the intellectually weak or the truly religious - we can believe Saddam and NOT advocate for disarmament - that is what hope equates to in this case, and I side with our intelligence operations - gutted as they were by Slick and da gang when we needed them -
quote: Advocate for disarmament from Iraq - don’’t think you are infantile enough to tie one hand behind the US’’s back - not 12 more years of funfilled inspections -
The inspections are unfulfilled. That's good news. If Iraq doesn't have WMD's then how can they be found? I don't trust the guy, though, so I think the UN should send in 5,000 more inspectors and just keep poking around forever. It's been 12 years so what's another couple of months for these "pushovers"? One good kick to the nuts and Saddam is history. No doubt about it. So why the rush? Hmmm.... election coming?
Come on, Powell slapped El Baharadi down by saying the IAEA was only days away from declaring Iraq Nuke free earlier, just before we started digging up the Gas separation centrifuge parts and the rest of the Nuke program evidence. And I seem to recall the bald faced lies from the same lyin Bustards spouting out currently how clean they were and how the world was pickin on po, po lil ole’ Iraq - Iraq ADMITTED they had the thousands of liters of banned weapons already! It was OBVIOUSLY never entered into the REQUIRED current decelerations, How easy would it have been from the start for all of the evidence and locations to have been made available to the inspectors to prove everything was destroyed - Games like that MAKE IT OBVIOUS, the lying camel jockies from Iraq have something to hide ! BTW I am NOT prejudiced, I hate equally without regard to race color or religion !
quote: Do you recall a prior ““cowboy”” standing up as a parental figure and facing down Communism, repression and simpering sycophants yammering for appeasement ?
I remember a rickety Reagan running up the national debt to prod the Soviet house of cards. The Soviet Union was already falling apart before Raygun. I see W bankrupting the federal government, plunging the nation into hugh dept and slashing away at federal responsibilities. I.E. Who needs an expensive National Weather Service when the "Weather Channel" could do it? Yosemite could be worth hundred's of millions to the right developer. $50 a head for a public museum shouldn't be out of the question. Religious education for all.
Bam, Pow, Slap - Sir, you have doth wound me most grievously - Buttttt - WHO WON THE DAMN SHOOTIN MATCH ! ! ! Hey ice fer brains, MR Rayguns was a figurehead for ALL of our wishes to avoid proliferating Socialism, W Europe, CANADA, Austrailia . . . . The WHOLE damn lot of us !
quote: I recall all too vividly the idealism of ““staying out of it””in Europe
Like Staying out of WW II while the Bush family made fortunes off of playing one side over the other or letting Yugoslavia fester for 10 years before getting involved though the right kicked and screamed under Clinton?
I was, in fact, referring to WWII -
quote: yet, we ALREADY KNOW of Saddams atrocities and lies - let’’s placate him like Hitler - THAT is what rabid anti-American protests are proponents of.
This is the most specious argument there is. Like Hitler? The guy is totallly contained. There is no evidence that he has any ties to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda. There is a CIA report that came out today that says terrorists groups might surface after Saddam is gone. DUH!!! Still no proof even from the prisoners in Cuba. None. The 9/11 atrocity was committed on the whole by citizens of the great US ally Saudi Arabia not Iraq.
And if you believe a few billion$$ here, and a few Billion$$ there don’t make things happen - maybe you can ask the French about all those firms flouting the UN embargo and ALL 60+ of em’ doing Billions of dollars w/our favorite poison gas user. Again, let’s address todays real threats: Saddams’ arsenal, and the Axis of evil letting their toys go to anyone who also opposes their enemies. An intersting insight on Middle Eastern Bomb Makers instructing the Oklahoma City Bomers is at http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002217 , http://www.jaynadavis.com/ , http://www.newsmax.com/showins...11218 . Turn the other cheek, and await nukes and bug bombs ?
quote: If called - would YOU join our MEN and WOMEN who PROTECT ideals ?
To fight for the ideals of the US constitution and the freedom of the free world, yes. However, W & Co. have other intentions. Self defence? Yeah, right. Oil and power? Seems more profitable. The only profit oil man W ever made was selling a baseball team. He lost on all the oil deals his daddy staked him too. He even lost the democratic election! Would you invest money in a guy with a track record like that? He's a longshot at best.
He even went AWOL from his Guard unit and his daddy made it "go away". Guess he thought the ideals of the US weren't threatened by the N. Vietnamese, either.
You forgot da boozin and Grampy’s name slidin him on into the Halls of Academia - The man is an empty vessel, but damn earnest, but look at the reincarnation of the SchultZ/Kissinger Big Business smarts being back in - I likes me chances better with that group of thinkers then the liberals that gave N. Korea a reactor - Thanks Slick !
Speaking of which - On “This Week” Villepin was asked: Given that Saddam has said his mistake was invading Kuwait BEFORE he acquired nuclear weapons, now do you believe that Israel was right to bomb the reactor at Osirisk and that France was wrong to help build it ?
The resulting back-stepping drivel and gaseous BS was Puuuuurfect when you consider how that Gallic Brio is being pressed onto the stage so blatently today.
quote: If not, please move to Iraq as a human shield - (I hear they can’’t wait to get out as Saddam is putting them in front of Military bases, NOT the civilian spots they bleated they wanted to go protect) - Hmmmmm, reality, WHAT A CONCEPT !
I couldn't care less about human shields. Saddam can stick them up his a$$. I don't give a flying f--K.
Satisfied guys? You tell him that I think WW III between East and West is inevitable. I just don't trust W because of the pack of half truths he keeps insisting is the whole truth.
Tell me yourself - As a rocket scientist myself, I’m learning to countdown backwards in Chinese (w/apologies to Tom Lehrer) - I agree w/you on a number of points and just get pissed off at the lack of foresight and ability to read and, learn and make up their own minds by the majority of the uninformed anti war/anti American yappers who do NOT attempt to advocate equally for disarmament.
I have never met a bad Aussie or Canuk - don’t blow it for the Great White N now, or Carvill, Jessie and Al will run up there as soon as the missiles start flying to continue blathering for peace (piece ?) - saaaay, that starts to sound pretty good on second thought.
As HKC said, I will be thankfully be reflecting and praying over our brave men and women in peril - and hoping our Favorite Torturing Lying Dictator (replacing Idi) doesn't claim as many lives as he has unprepared minds through propaganda and brilliant politics against the weakest of intellects and fortitudes.
Originally posted by msscomm 10,000 liters of Anthrax ! ! !
Iraq ADMITTED they had PRODUCED at LEAST that quantity of something as vile as this toxin - when will it end up in another wackos’’ hands ? And delivered here ? Are Anti-war proselytizers DEMANDING Iraq admit its own words, AGAIN, and show where the current stock of Tens of THOUSANDS OF LITERS of weapons are ?
I believe Iraq's words are that they destroyed it right after the Gulf War. If they didn't destroy it, then the inspectors should be given time to discover it. So far there is no evidence of WMD's. We do not know if he has them. There is no evidence. None.
THAT is the very essence of what Blixie da Pixie has been asking for, and no, there was NOT an accounting of Anthrax, VX and Sarin being destroyed, just some of their Mustard stores and delivery shells getting the heave ho. Come on, Powell slapped El Baharadi down by saying the IAEA was only days away from declaring Iraq Nuke free earlier, just before we started digging up the Gas separation centrifuge parts and the rest of the Nuke program evidence THANKS TO Saddams’ son. (WERE YOU JUST AS CONVINCED THEN OF IRAQ’S INNOCENCE ? ? ?) And I seem to recall the bald faced lies from the same lying Bustards spouting out currently how clean they were and how the world was pickin on po, po lil ole’ Iraq - Iraq ADMITTED they had the thousands of liters of banned weapons already, tough to deny when it was printed and admitted to earlier, and it was OBVIOUSLY never entered into the REQUIRED current decelerations, How easy would it have been for all of the evidence and locations to have been made available to the inspectors from the start to prove everything was destroyed - Games like that MAKE IT OBVIOUS, the lying camel jockies from Iraq have something to hide !
quote: First - I have served and anyone who has, can regard the loss of life as atrocious - newly made friends, comrades, fellow men and women serving - any of "ours" vs "them in the midst of a firefight - it SUCKS and no sane person should look forward to war -
You would never get an argument from me on that.
Amen Brother ! - As most of your fellow Canucks, a damn fine bunch o’ guys that really do have it together, just like the cold too much - How can you not help but love a country that produces Moosehead - “A fine beer, and a hell of a rush for the Moose”
quote: IMHO, while we don’’t ask for war - it HAS been brought to our shores - by the very likes of the Iraqi madman and similar fanatics - and are we to sit here and turn the other cheek ?
War has been brought to the US by radical Muslim extremists. Saddam is not religeous. He is the leader of the Ba'ath party. Bin Laden is only a little less dangerous to Saddam than he is to the US. Iraq is a secular "apostate" state. After the radicals bring the "Great Satan' to its knees the "little Satans" will be dealt with.
"Turn the other cheek"? Yes, if you are Christian.
HELL NO ! ! ! WE (I) WILL GO ! ! ! We have a lil' history of doing what is RIGHT (you're welcome, France) - While we support Israel and several of the autocratic and other friendly secular countries w/$$ and arms (now who was dat nasty ole largest arms dealer in the world ?), we do NOT blow up thousands of civilians over fanatical points of view! History is replete with individual cases we can all dredge up to support our immediate position, but let’s address todays real threats: Saddams’ arsenal, and the Axis of evil letting their toys go to anyone who also opposes their enemies. An intersting insight on Middle Eastern Bomb Makers instructing the Oklahoma City Bomers is at http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002217 , http://www.jaynadavis.com/ , http://www.newsmax.com/showins...11218 . Turn the other cheek, and await nukes and bug bombs ?
quote: Wether you voted for W or not, he MUST act like an adult and adjudicate in the best interest of our country -
We can only hope.
Nope, Hope is for the intellectually weak or the truly religious - we can believe Saddam and NOT advocate for disarmament - that is what hope equates to in this case, and I side with our intelligence operations - gutted as they were by Slick and da gang when we needed them -
quote: Advocate for disarmament from Iraq - don’’t think you are infantile enough to tie one hand behind the US’’s back - not 12 more years of funfilled inspections -
The inspections are unfulfilled. That's good news. If Iraq doesn't have WMD's then how can they be found? I don't trust the guy, though, so I think the UN should send in 5,000 more inspectors and just keep poking around forever. It's been 12 years so what's another couple of months for these "pushovers"? One good kick to the nuts and Saddam is history. No doubt about it. So why the rush? Hmmm.... election coming?
Come on, Powell slapped El Baharadi down by saying the IAEA was only days away from declaring Iraq Nuke free earlier, just before we started digging up the Gas separation centrifuge parts and the rest of the Nuke program evidence. And I seem to recall the bald faced lies from the same lyin Bustards spouting out currently how clean they were and how the world was pickin on po, po lil ole’ Iraq - Iraq ADMITTED they had the thousands of liters of banned weapons already! It was OBVIOUSLY never entered into the REQUIRED current decelerations, How easy would it have been from the start for all of the evidence and locations to have been made available to the inspectors to prove everything was destroyed - Games like that MAKE IT OBVIOUS, the lying camel jockies from Iraq have something to hide ! BTW I am NOT prejudiced, I hate equally without regard to race color or religion !
quote: Do you recall a prior ““cowboy”” standing up as a parental figure and facing down Communism, repression and simpering sycophants yammering for appeasement ?
I remember a rickety Reagan running up the national debt to prod the Soviet house of cards. The Soviet Union was already falling apart before Raygun. I see W bankrupting the federal government, plunging the nation into hugh dept and slashing away at federal responsibilities. I.E. Who needs an expensive National Weather Service when the "Weather Channel" could do it? Yosemite could be worth hundred's of millions to the right developer. $50 a head for a public museum shouldn't be out of the question. Religious education for all.
Bam, Pow, Slap - Sir, you have doth wound me most grievously - Buttttt - WHO WON THE DAMN SHOOTIN MATCH ! ! ! Hey ice fer brains, MR Rayguns was a figurehead for ALL of our wishes to avoid proliferating Socialism, W Europe, CANADA, Austrailia . . . . The WHOLE damn lot of us !
quote: I recall all too vividly the idealism of ““staying out of it””in Europe
Like Staying out of WW II while the Bush family made fortunes off of playing one side over the other or letting Yugoslavia fester for 10 years before getting involved though the right kicked and screamed under Clinton?
I was, in fact, referring to WWII -
quote: yet, we ALREADY KNOW of Saddams atrocities and lies - let’’s placate him like Hitler - THAT is what rabid anti-American protests are proponents of.
This is the most specious argument there is. Like Hitler? The guy is totallly contained. There is no evidence that he has any ties to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda. There is a CIA report that came out today that says terrorists groups might surface after Saddam is gone. DUH!!! Still no proof even from the prisoners in Cuba. None. The 9/11 atrocity was committed on the whole by citizens of the great US ally Saudi Arabia not Iraq.
And if you believe a few billion$$ here, and a few Billion$$ there don’t make things happen - maybe you can ask the French about all those firms flouting the UN embargo and ALL 60+ of em’ doing Billions of dollars w/our favorite poison gas user. Again, let’s address todays real threats: Saddams’ arsenal, and the Axis of evil letting their toys go to anyone who also opposes their enemies. An intersting insight on Middle Eastern Bomb Makers instructing the Oklahoma City Bomers is at http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002217 , http://www.jaynadavis.com/ , http://www.newsmax.com/showins...11218 . Turn the other cheek, and await nukes and bug bombs ?
quote: If called - would YOU join our MEN and WOMEN who PROTECT ideals ?
To fight for the ideals of the US constitution and the freedom of the free world, yes. However, W & Co. have other intentions. Self defence? Yeah, right. Oil and power? Seems more profitable. The only profit oil man W ever made was selling a baseball team. He lost on all the oil deals his daddy staked him too. He even lost the democratic election! Would you invest money in a guy with a track record like that? He's a longshot at best.
He even went AWOL from his Guard unit and his daddy made it "go away". Guess he thought the ideals of the US weren't threatened by the N. Vietnamese, either.
You forgot da boozin and Grampy’s name slidin him on into the Halls of Academia - The man is an empty vessel, but damn earnest, but look at the reincarnation of the SchultZ/Kissinger Big Business smarts being back in - I likes me chances better with that group of thinkers then the liberals that gave N. Korea a reactor - Thanks Slick !
Speaking of which - On “This Week” Villepin was asked: Given that Saddam has said his mistake was invading Kuwait BEFORE he acquired nuclear weapons, now do you believe that Israel was right to bomb the reactor at Osirisk and that France was wrong to help build it ?
The resulting back-stepping drivel and gaseous BS was Puuuuurfect when you consider how that Gallic Brio is being pressed onto the stage so blatently today.
quote: If not, please move to Iraq as a human shield - (I hear they can’’t wait to get out as Saddam is putting them in front of Military bases, NOT the civilian spots they bleated they wanted to go protect) - Hmmmmm, reality, WHAT A CONCEPT !
I couldn't care less about human shields. Saddam can stick them up his a$$. I don't give a flying f--K.
Satisfied guys? You tell him that I think WW III between East and West is inevitable. I just don't trust W because of the pack of half truths he keeps insisting is the whole truth.
Tell me yourself - As a rocket scientist myself, I’m learning to countdown backwards in Chinese (w/apologies to Tom Lehrer) - I agree w/you on a number of points and just get pissed off at the lack of foresight and ability to read and, learn and make up their own minds by the majority of the uninformed anti war/anti American yappers who do NOT attempt to advocate equally for disarmament.
I have never met a bad Aussie or Canuk - don’t blow it for the Great White N now, or Carvill, Jessie and Al will run up there as soon as the missiles start flying to continue blathering for peace (piece ?) - saaaay, that starts to sound pretty good on second thought.
As HKC said, I will be thankfully be reflecting and praying over our brave men and women in peril - and hoping our Favorite Torturing Lying Dictator (replacing Idi) doesn't claim as many lives as he has unprepared minds through propaganda and brilliant politics against the weakest of intellects and fortitudes.
Less Violence ?
On `This Week," Villepin was asked: Given that Saddam Hussein has said that his mistake was invading Kuwait before he acquired nuclear weapons, do you now believe that Israel was right to bomb the reactor outside Baghdad and that France was wrong to help build it? French diplomacy has sunk to this Villepin gaseousness:
"I think you cannot remake history. You can take lessons, you can imagine different scenarios. I don't think it's possible, today , definite answers. ,I think the idea of preemptive strike might be a possibility. Have it as a doctrine, as a theory. I don't think it is really useful. Sometimes by using force pre-emptively we might create more violence and we have to be always thinking to what are the consequenses." It is not a "scenario," it is a virtual certainty that absent Israel's 1981 pre-emptive attack, Iraq would have had nuclear weapons in 1991, and today, as Gerard Baker of The Financial writes, Kuwait would be the 19th province of Iraq --- and Saudi Arabia would be the 20th. France's goal -- less violence -- would have been achieved because the First Gulf War could not have been fought.
Fortunately for the United States, which has serious things to think about, the French foreign minister continues to demonstrate the absurdity of his country's demand to be taken seriously.
V - Enjoy the run - I will check back tonight -
On `This Week," Villepin was asked: Given that Saddam Hussein has said that his mistake was invading Kuwait before he acquired nuclear weapons, do you now believe that Israel was right to bomb the reactor outside Baghdad and that France was wrong to help build it? French diplomacy has sunk to this Villepin gaseousness:
"I think you cannot remake history. You can take lessons, you can imagine different scenarios. I don't think it's possible, today , definite answers. ,I think the idea of preemptive strike might be a possibility. Have it as a doctrine, as a theory. I don't think it is really useful. Sometimes by using force pre-emptively we might create more violence and we have to be always thinking to what are the consequenses." It is not a "scenario," it is a virtual certainty that absent Israel's 1981 pre-emptive attack, Iraq would have had nuclear weapons in 1991, and today, as Gerard Baker of The Financial writes, Kuwait would be the 19th province of Iraq --- and Saudi Arabia would be the 20th. France's goal -- less violence -- would have been achieved because the First Gulf War could not have been fought.
Fortunately for the United States, which has serious things to think about, the French foreign minister continues to demonstrate the absurdity of his country's demand to be taken seriously.
V - Enjoy the run - I will check back tonight -
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HongKongChick wrote:i never said the US brought 911 on themselves, did i?
That's exactly what I was trying to clarify. I never put words in your mouth and had no intention of going off on you. I was simply trying to get clarification of your message in order to respond and further the discussion.
I respect your opinions and fully support the voicing of yours, Ninja's, Vimy's and anyone else who cares to have one. I also appreciate your message of support and I'm sure every other soldier here does too, whether he/she is deployed or not.
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i didn't think you were trying to attack me, though, maybe after a few more messages trying to take about this, someone might, and i have been through too many arguements like that, and it can only lead to a no-good ending and people will start attacking people personally as if they knew each other.....and this thread will just eventually get closed.......repo man wrote:That's exactly what I was trying to clarify. I never put words in your mouth and had no intention of going off on you. I was simply trying to get clarification of your message in order to respond and further the discussion.
I respect your opinions and fully support the voicing of yours, Ninja's, Vimy's and anyone else who cares to have one. I also appreciate your message of support and I'm sure every other soldier here does too, whether he/she is deployed or not.
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just wanna say that i might came off a little strong when i said "people will put thoughts into my mouth" coz of all these other stupid war threads and hate between just different opinions...and the crave for being right instead of being objective really just ticks me off...and i have seen way too much of that...i just did not want to start another one.that's all..
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HongKongChick wrote:just wanna say that i might came off a little strong when i said "people will put thoughts into my mouth" coz of all these other stupid war threads and hate between just different opinions...and the crave for being right instead of being objective really just ticks me off...and i have seen way too much of that...i just did not want to start another one.that's all..
no hard feelings!
None taken! Only crazy basturds actually WANT to go to war. I had a drill sergeant like that. He was nuts. He actually talked to himself and the other drills thought he was nuts too.
Ninja, you kinda jumped on my arse prematurely, didn't you?
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Quote »Come on, Powell slapped El Baharadi down by saying the IAEA was only days away from declaring Iraq Nuke free earlier, just before we started digging up the Gas separation centrifuge parts and the rest of the Nuke program evidence.[/quote]Well ,it looks like Blix then slapped down poor Powell with a through answer about those supposed centrifuge parts. Turns out these things were tracked from the source and not of sufficient tolerances to br used for enrichment processes. Additionally, the report circultated as fact by W about Iraq purchasing Uranium for Niger was based upon forgeries of documents using easily cross checkable names and dates that simply didn't match up. CIA fooled again. From what you describe, it doesn't seem that your info is up to date. Did you see the last UN briefing?
Quote »Bam, Pow, Slap - Sir, you have doth wound me most grievously - Buttttt - WHO WON THE DAMN SHOOTIN MATCH ! ! ! Hey ice fer brains, MR Rayguns was a figurehead for ALL of our wishes to avoid proliferating Socialism, W Europe, CANADA, Austrailia . . . . The WHOLE damn lot of us ![/quote]The specific ideology Raygun and his mommie called the evil empire on the basis of his astrologer's advice was communism.
Quote »You forgot da boozin and Grampy’s name slidin him on into the Halls of Academia - The man is an empty vessel, but damn earnest, but look at the reincarnation of the SchultZ/Kissinger Big Business smarts being back in - I likes me chances better with that group of thinkers then the liberals that gave N. Korea a reactor - Thanks Slick ![/quote]Enough of your W bashing. I can't take. Don't. Stop. Don't stop. Don't stop. I like Kissingers insights but if you recall he also did some pretty underhanded things that caused a lot of trouble all over the world. President Bill offered heavy water reactors that aren't suitable for processing weapons grade uranium. The N. Koreans are using a Russian made reactor that is more suitable for these purposes. You know as well as I that Uncle Bill was at least a little more on the ball than most of us including W the "empty vessel" (I apologise to any empty vessles I might have offended with that remark)
And don't even get me started on the frogs. I can't stand them but I'll tell you that you'd never find me pouring perfectly good bottles of French Bingo into the gutter. Jeeze some people are so stupid. "Freedom Fries"? Ya, changing the name of a type of prepared potato is so mature and subtle.
Quote »- As a rocket scientist myself, I’m learning to countdown backwards in Chinese (w/apologies to Tom Lehrer) -[/quote]You might want to start looking into learning Korean as well.
Quote » I agree w/you on a number of points and just get pissed off at the lack of foresight and ability to read and, learn and make up their own minds by the majority of the uninformed anti war/anti American yappers who do NOT attempt to advocate equally for disarmament.[/quote]As many uninformed anit war yappers there are you must also admit there are probably just as many if not more uninformed redneck warmongers.
Quote »As HKC said, I will be thankfully be reflecting and praying over our brave men and women in peril - and hoping our Favorite Torturing Lying Dictator (replacing Idi) doesn't claim as many lives as he has unprepared minds through propaganda and brilliant politics against the weakest of intellects and fortitudes. [/quote]You wouldn't be refering to the appointed to office W would you. Your description matches his modus operandi as well. Scary, eh?
I believe that we agree on many fundamental things. You think Saddam is a lying mother f--ker and so do I. You think W is an empty vessel. I agree.
We differ on the quality of the evidence backing up urnhead's contentions. Vasenoggin has provided very little quality inteligence to anyone including the Security Council (some even say that the good intel is too valuable to waste on the traditional allies)
My postition is that Ewernoodle wants to bankrupt the federal gov't and grab oil fields for him and his buddies at taxpayer expence. What's the rush? Saddam's not going anywhere. What's the Rush? There is no evidence to link Saddam and Bin Laden. What's the rush? Nice steady pressure from inspectors will keep him off guardd and if he finally tires of the game and tries to play tough then off with his head. There is no rush. Unless Pitcherbrain is afraid the polls will start slipping as people wise up. Like they say,"You can fool some of the people all of the time and and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" Time is Jughead's greatest enemy. It erodes his foundation built on sand.
Man, I hate to say it but that describes W to a Tee and its corollary proves Saddam to be the irreligious schemer he is. These intelligence operations you refer to, are these the same guys that (so we're lead to believe by neo conservatives) told President Bill to bomb an aspirin factory. How come this same outfit was inept before but can now come up with artists renderings of what a mobile lab might look like inside. Seems the same level of intel is being delivered as before. It simply suits your purposes more to believe the malarky for the head long rush to invade.Hope is for the intellectually weak or the truly religious - we can believe Saddam and NOT advocate for disarmament - that is what hope equates to in this case, and I side with our intelligence operations - gutted as they were by Slick and da gang when we needed them -
Quote »Come on, Powell slapped El Baharadi down by saying the IAEA was only days away from declaring Iraq Nuke free earlier, just before we started digging up the Gas separation centrifuge parts and the rest of the Nuke program evidence.[/quote]Well ,it looks like Blix then slapped down poor Powell with a through answer about those supposed centrifuge parts. Turns out these things were tracked from the source and not of sufficient tolerances to br used for enrichment processes. Additionally, the report circultated as fact by W about Iraq purchasing Uranium for Niger was based upon forgeries of documents using easily cross checkable names and dates that simply didn't match up. CIA fooled again. From what you describe, it doesn't seem that your info is up to date. Did you see the last UN briefing?
Quote »Bam, Pow, Slap - Sir, you have doth wound me most grievously - Buttttt - WHO WON THE DAMN SHOOTIN MATCH ! ! ! Hey ice fer brains, MR Rayguns was a figurehead for ALL of our wishes to avoid proliferating Socialism, W Europe, CANADA, Austrailia . . . . The WHOLE damn lot of us ![/quote]The specific ideology Raygun and his mommie called the evil empire on the basis of his astrologer's advice was communism.
Quote »You forgot da boozin and Grampy’s name slidin him on into the Halls of Academia - The man is an empty vessel, but damn earnest, but look at the reincarnation of the SchultZ/Kissinger Big Business smarts being back in - I likes me chances better with that group of thinkers then the liberals that gave N. Korea a reactor - Thanks Slick ![/quote]Enough of your W bashing. I can't take. Don't. Stop. Don't stop. Don't stop. I like Kissingers insights but if you recall he also did some pretty underhanded things that caused a lot of trouble all over the world. President Bill offered heavy water reactors that aren't suitable for processing weapons grade uranium. The N. Koreans are using a Russian made reactor that is more suitable for these purposes. You know as well as I that Uncle Bill was at least a little more on the ball than most of us including W the "empty vessel" (I apologise to any empty vessles I might have offended with that remark)
And don't even get me started on the frogs. I can't stand them but I'll tell you that you'd never find me pouring perfectly good bottles of French Bingo into the gutter. Jeeze some people are so stupid. "Freedom Fries"? Ya, changing the name of a type of prepared potato is so mature and subtle.
Quote »- As a rocket scientist myself, I’m learning to countdown backwards in Chinese (w/apologies to Tom Lehrer) -[/quote]You might want to start looking into learning Korean as well.
Quote » I agree w/you on a number of points and just get pissed off at the lack of foresight and ability to read and, learn and make up their own minds by the majority of the uninformed anti war/anti American yappers who do NOT attempt to advocate equally for disarmament.[/quote]As many uninformed anit war yappers there are you must also admit there are probably just as many if not more uninformed redneck warmongers.
Quote »As HKC said, I will be thankfully be reflecting and praying over our brave men and women in peril - and hoping our Favorite Torturing Lying Dictator (replacing Idi) doesn't claim as many lives as he has unprepared minds through propaganda and brilliant politics against the weakest of intellects and fortitudes. [/quote]You wouldn't be refering to the appointed to office W would you. Your description matches his modus operandi as well. Scary, eh?
I believe that we agree on many fundamental things. You think Saddam is a lying mother f--ker and so do I. You think W is an empty vessel. I agree.
We differ on the quality of the evidence backing up urnhead's contentions. Vasenoggin has provided very little quality inteligence to anyone including the Security Council (some even say that the good intel is too valuable to waste on the traditional allies)
My postition is that Ewernoodle wants to bankrupt the federal gov't and grab oil fields for him and his buddies at taxpayer expence. What's the rush? Saddam's not going anywhere. What's the Rush? There is no evidence to link Saddam and Bin Laden. What's the rush? Nice steady pressure from inspectors will keep him off guardd and if he finally tires of the game and tries to play tough then off with his head. There is no rush. Unless Pitcherbrain is afraid the polls will start slipping as people wise up. Like they say,"You can fool some of the people all of the time and and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" Time is Jughead's greatest enemy. It erodes his foundation built on sand.
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Great post VimyJ, I can actually mostly agree with this one. I would however willingly take a bullet for Mr.Ewernoodle. He's done far to many rights by me. Our military has taken a beating for the last 10 years. Thx to Bush we are finally starting to get the funding required to get our Amn/Soldiers off of secondary subsistance. One day my pay might actually reflect 1/2 of what a civilian counter part might be getting. It doesn't yet, but its been getting better.
But that has nothing to do with the hole deployment thread in anyway. Neither really does what you and MSS are dabating. I simply wanted to post somthing in support of Bush's charecter. Politcs in general is corrupt...so to pick one figure head is pointless.
HKC, nothin but luv for ya girl. I deploy all over the world on a regular basis. I sincerally appreciate your gratitude. The world needs more supportive people like yourself.
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But that has nothing to do with the hole deployment thread in anyway. Neither really does what you and MSS are dabating. I simply wanted to post somthing in support of Bush's charecter. Politcs in general is corrupt...so to pick one figure head is pointless.
HKC, nothin but luv for ya girl. I deploy all over the world on a regular basis. I sincerally appreciate your gratitude. The world needs more supportive people like yourself.
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[quote=" WDRacing [I deploy all over the world on a regular basis.WD [/quote]
Thank YOU ! You provide an example of the selfless professional - We owe you more then is being expressed !
I feel ashamed at the anti-American sentiments being foisted off against our men and women who serve so honorably. Those teachers in Maine telling the children of Men and Women called to serve that thier parents serving is immoral and so are they, should be sent to the front lines -
Again Sir, I salute YOU :patriot
Thank YOU ! You provide an example of the selfless professional - We owe you more then is being expressed !
I feel ashamed at the anti-American sentiments being foisted off against our men and women who serve so honorably. Those teachers in Maine telling the children of Men and Women called to serve that thier parents serving is immoral and so are they, should be sent to the front lines -
Again Sir, I salute YOU :patriot
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]These intelligence operations you refer to, are these the same guys that (so we're lead to believe by neo conservatives) told President Bill to bomb an aspirin factory. . . . . It simply suits your purposes more to believe the malarky for the head long rush to invade.[/quote]You say Saddam is a lying sack of it, yet OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - why else would YOU KNOW Saddam never had those thousands of liters of Anthrax, VX, Sarin and other party favors admitted to in years past any more (they just evaporated ?) Thanks for enlightening us oh omniscient one -
You say Saddam is a lying sack of it, yet OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - why else would YOU KNOW he is harmless and “contained” - Thanks for enlightening us oh omniscient one -
You say Saddam is a lying sack of it, yet OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - why else would YOU KNOW Saddam is “contained” and will stop spending $$Billions$$ on acquiring more WMDs - BTW, only 1 $$Billion$$ went to the missile program we know of, how is YOUR forensic accounting - for 12 years of games? Thanks for enlightening us oh omniscient one -
You say Saddam is a lying sack of it, yet OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - why else would YOU KNOW Saddam is disarmed - Thanks for enlightening us oh omniscient one -
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]What's the rush?[/quote]RUSH ? Now you HAVE to be kidding at least yourself - 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN, freakin years of his PROVEN lies - Oh yeah, you and the rest, OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world as Saddam and his boys have fessed up and are completely done with 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS of lies and obstruction - but YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW that as of your stating it on this board means he has turned over a new leaf - yeah sure ! If you believe he is actively disarming, I’ve got some shares in a uranium mine I’d like to sell you -
Kind of like Billary saying “I did NOT have sexual relations with that Woman” ? ? ? ? - Comeon, fess up, you believed his every utterance didn’t you - comeon, that truth will set you free !
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask - join your buds, the Gallic Crew and hold up Saddams sanctimonious cape of righteous indignation at the temerity and gall of the world saying he doesn’t play nice.
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, let ‘em bury another weapons program in the desert
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, leave ‘em in power to continue having their funfilled church socials with all those protesters (a short party list)
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, leave ‘em in power to continue having fun killing everyone that attempts to speak against you-know-who
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, leave ‘em in power to continue having helping everyone who says F*)k the Great Satan (admittidly, along w/those other party guys in Iran , N Korea, Somalia . . .)
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, like history is NOT an indication -
BTW What DID you believe before Iraq admitted thier nuke programs the last time - were you just as adamant ? ? ? ?
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]As The specific ideology Raygun and his mommie called the evil empire on the basis of his astrologer's advice was communism. [/quote]
BTW - Communism never was a clear theory that was actually employed amongst the land, it was a bastardization of Marxist-Leninism in the Motherland - that appears to be what you colloquially refer to as pinko communism.
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]As many uninformed anit war yappers there are you must also admit there are probably just as many if not more uninformed redneck warmongers.[/quote]Were these those same easily led rednecked warmongeres sent in to Bosnia, Mogadishu . . . Remember, Billery played Wag The Dog in Bosnia as the UN fiddled - Sometimes history just hurts soooo good
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]I believe that we agree on many fundamental things. You think Saddam is a lying mother f--ker and so do I. [/quote]As to you denigrating W, did YOU obtain an Masters degree? an MBA? an MBA from HARVARD? F102 Flight Certification ? Again, While W may not be the sharpest arrow in the quiver (but probably smarter then you or I based on his edumakation, my MSIE/MBA are only from Public California Institutions), methinks I like the real pros being back in control vs the other options. Oh that’s right - OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world that W uses.
I still agree that Wag The Dog is a time honored political gambit here, but OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - as you KNOW Saddam is a benign oopsie compared to the Calamitous World ending Bosnian dust-up that threatened every living North American.
OK, OK, we will just continue belaboring the little points - we actually agree on a lot of lifes basics, Hell, I’d even spring for the first round - but we will have to disagree as to whom is believing a better source - methinks I enjoy Powell and our apparatchick better then the Whiney Lamo Liberal Excuse Express - but that is your choice to enjoy. Other then that - Have one for our boys in waiting !
You say Saddam is a lying sack of it, yet OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - why else would YOU KNOW he is harmless and “contained” - Thanks for enlightening us oh omniscient one -
You say Saddam is a lying sack of it, yet OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - why else would YOU KNOW Saddam is “contained” and will stop spending $$Billions$$ on acquiring more WMDs - BTW, only 1 $$Billion$$ went to the missile program we know of, how is YOUR forensic accounting - for 12 years of games? Thanks for enlightening us oh omniscient one -
You say Saddam is a lying sack of it, yet OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - why else would YOU KNOW Saddam is disarmed - Thanks for enlightening us oh omniscient one -
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]What's the rush?[/quote]RUSH ? Now you HAVE to be kidding at least yourself - 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN, freakin years of his PROVEN lies - Oh yeah, you and the rest, OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world as Saddam and his boys have fessed up and are completely done with 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS of lies and obstruction - but YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW that as of your stating it on this board means he has turned over a new leaf - yeah sure ! If you believe he is actively disarming, I’ve got some shares in a uranium mine I’d like to sell you -
Kind of like Billary saying “I did NOT have sexual relations with that Woman” ? ? ? ? - Comeon, fess up, you believed his every utterance didn’t you - comeon, that truth will set you free !
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask - join your buds, the Gallic Crew and hold up Saddams sanctimonious cape of righteous indignation at the temerity and gall of the world saying he doesn’t play nice.
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, let ‘em bury another weapons program in the desert
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, leave ‘em in power to continue having their funfilled church socials with all those protesters (a short party list)
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, leave ‘em in power to continue having fun killing everyone that attempts to speak against you-know-who
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, leave ‘em in power to continue having helping everyone who says F*)k the Great Satan (admittidly, along w/those other party guys in Iran , N Korea, Somalia . . .)
Just give em’ time (Whattsamatta you, 12, TWELVE, A DOZEN YEARS slip your mind ?) Is what you ask, like history is NOT an indication -
BTW What DID you believe before Iraq admitted thier nuke programs the last time - were you just as adamant ? ? ? ?
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]As The specific ideology Raygun and his mommie called the evil empire on the basis of his astrologer's advice was communism. [/quote]
BTW - Communism never was a clear theory that was actually employed amongst the land, it was a bastardization of Marxist-Leninism in the Motherland - that appears to be what you colloquially refer to as pinko communism.
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]As many uninformed anit war yappers there are you must also admit there are probably just as many if not more uninformed redneck warmongers.[/quote]Were these those same easily led rednecked warmongeres sent in to Bosnia, Mogadishu . . . Remember, Billery played Wag The Dog in Bosnia as the UN fiddled - Sometimes history just hurts soooo good
Quote » Originally posted by VimyJ "]I believe that we agree on many fundamental things. You think Saddam is a lying mother f--ker and so do I. [/quote]As to you denigrating W, did YOU obtain an Masters degree? an MBA? an MBA from HARVARD? F102 Flight Certification ? Again, While W may not be the sharpest arrow in the quiver (but probably smarter then you or I based on his edumakation, my MSIE/MBA are only from Public California Institutions), methinks I like the real pros being back in control vs the other options. Oh that’s right - OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world that W uses.
I still agree that Wag The Dog is a time honored political gambit here, but OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world - as you KNOW Saddam is a benign oopsie compared to the Calamitous World ending Bosnian dust-up that threatened every living North American.
OK, OK, we will just continue belaboring the little points - we actually agree on a lot of lifes basics, Hell, I’d even spring for the first round - but we will have to disagree as to whom is believing a better source - methinks I enjoy Powell and our apparatchick better then the Whiney Lamo Liberal Excuse Express - but that is your choice to enjoy. Other then that - Have one for our boys in waiting !
Please cut down on the band width gluttony and simply state your points.Please cut down on the band width gluttony and simply state your points.Please cut down on the band width gluttony and simply state your points.Please cut down on the band width gluttony and simply state your points.Please cut down on the band width gluttony and simply state your points.Please cut down on the band width gluttony and simply state your points.
You get the point.
"Omniscient one"? Well, I never! And from a dittohead at that!
Your vaunted inteligence sources have turned up didley squat in terms of evidence regarding W's impending holy war. There is no evidence for the WMD you mention. Iraq claims it got rid of it. Maybe he did and maybe he didn't. All the more reason for more inspections methinks. He has been dithering for twelve years so what's another couple of months? What's the hurry? What's he going to do in six or eight weeks that he hasn't done already? Oh, yeah. Opinion polls. Gotta get the ball rolling before people start to wise up.
So, according to you poor Powell was sent to the Security Council twice with nothing to back up W's assertions? Nothing? I pity Powell having to show a vial of icing sugar and a report of some guy who was once in in Afghanistan and knew a guy that once saw Bin Laden in 1984 who came to Baghdad to get a boil lanced. Come on! You call that the most persausive intelligence the FBI, CIA, NSA and who know what other agencies can come up with to try to convince the world to launch an attack on Iraq? No wonder Blair is about to lose his job.
Omniscient? I don't know about that but the facts speak for themselves. There aren't any! No friggin evidence period. I'm not sayng that to make you angry but there is no evidence to back up a claim of justified preemptive self defence (and what a phrase that is. I wonder how that would look and sound in German.). Only hysterical emotional appeals to "patriotism" replete with references to 9/11 which Iraq didn't have anything to do with in the first place.
This may come as a surprise to the typical blinder wearing neo conservative brown shirt minion of Herr Mush Dimbuld who has half his mind tied behind his back so that he might appeal to the truly ignorant, but I hope the inspectors find WMD's in Iraq so that those idiot frogs would be made to look foolish. Yet, somehow, I don't think it's going to happen. The whole world laughed at the US for it's preoccupation with a president's personal life and I'm afraid they're all going to be laughing again. Believe me, I take no pleasure from that.
From what you write, it seems that you are mad at Saddam because he's having more fun than you. What business is it of the US that Saddam has people hauled off and shot? It happens all over the world all the time (some of it organized by the US itself) and the US never seems to get too upset about it. Oh ya. Oil.
Let me tell you a little story. Once upon a time there was a man renowned for his piety and devotion to god. He spent his life giving to his community and resisting those who would make him and his people slaves. His people had a great enemy that was forcing its will upon them. They were imperialists who were intent upon building a great empire that was abhorent to all he and his people stood for and believed. He hatched a plan to strike a blow at his oppressors and free his people from foreign domination and agression. He flew aircraft into the heart of the Great Satan.
It's different when you look at the other side of the coin, isn't it? Bin Laden decided to make his mark on the world in his pious way and now W wants to make his. Thankfully, the US is somewhat a nation of laws or we'd already be knee deep in blood for W's vision of imperialism and foolish vision of a Pax Americana.
Enough of the puritanical hysteria. It's myopic BS. A few months isn't going to do anything except make Saddam squirm and perhaps get the entire Western World on the same team to deal with the menance of religious fundamentalism Islamic style, suicide bombers and all.
BTW, President Bill (how I miss having a steady hand at the tiller and the markets too I daresay) said, "I did not have sexual realations with that woman." He didn't in the dictionary sense "have relations" because he only got a BJ and a cigar prepped for smoking. But noooooo! Idiot puritans bent on revenge for having been made to look like monkeys under Eye of Newt were on it like starving dogs on a bone. And the world laughed. Must have been nice to only have to worry about what the president was or was not getting on the side instead of the huge deficits and spilling of American blood on distant shores we are now facing. Ah, the good ole days...
The redneck warmongers I refer to are not the men and women in uniform. Rather, they are the chickenhawks willing to spend the blood of those who serve for dubious gains and who have no blood stake in the lives they risk.
Pinko Communism, Stalinism, Moaism, whatever. A rose is a rose. The fight was against global communism not against socialist nations like Sweden.
I thought the whole wag the dog thing was way over done. I couldn't care less what Uncle Bill did is his spare time. It was an ironic twist of fate that Bill's Hollywood came out with a movie of that name at exactly the moment the "asprin factory" bombing happened. But that is what Hollywood is best at: Populist tripe.
You get the point.
"Omniscient one"? Well, I never! And from a dittohead at that!
Your vaunted inteligence sources have turned up didley squat in terms of evidence regarding W's impending holy war. There is no evidence for the WMD you mention. Iraq claims it got rid of it. Maybe he did and maybe he didn't. All the more reason for more inspections methinks. He has been dithering for twelve years so what's another couple of months? What's the hurry? What's he going to do in six or eight weeks that he hasn't done already? Oh, yeah. Opinion polls. Gotta get the ball rolling before people start to wise up.
So, according to you poor Powell was sent to the Security Council twice with nothing to back up W's assertions? Nothing? I pity Powell having to show a vial of icing sugar and a report of some guy who was once in in Afghanistan and knew a guy that once saw Bin Laden in 1984 who came to Baghdad to get a boil lanced. Come on! You call that the most persausive intelligence the FBI, CIA, NSA and who know what other agencies can come up with to try to convince the world to launch an attack on Iraq? No wonder Blair is about to lose his job.
Omniscient? I don't know about that but the facts speak for themselves. There aren't any! No friggin evidence period. I'm not sayng that to make you angry but there is no evidence to back up a claim of justified preemptive self defence (and what a phrase that is. I wonder how that would look and sound in German.). Only hysterical emotional appeals to "patriotism" replete with references to 9/11 which Iraq didn't have anything to do with in the first place.
This may come as a surprise to the typical blinder wearing neo conservative brown shirt minion of Herr Mush Dimbuld who has half his mind tied behind his back so that he might appeal to the truly ignorant, but I hope the inspectors find WMD's in Iraq so that those idiot frogs would be made to look foolish. Yet, somehow, I don't think it's going to happen. The whole world laughed at the US for it's preoccupation with a president's personal life and I'm afraid they're all going to be laughing again. Believe me, I take no pleasure from that.
From what you write, it seems that you are mad at Saddam because he's having more fun than you. What business is it of the US that Saddam has people hauled off and shot? It happens all over the world all the time (some of it organized by the US itself) and the US never seems to get too upset about it. Oh ya. Oil.
Let me tell you a little story. Once upon a time there was a man renowned for his piety and devotion to god. He spent his life giving to his community and resisting those who would make him and his people slaves. His people had a great enemy that was forcing its will upon them. They were imperialists who were intent upon building a great empire that was abhorent to all he and his people stood for and believed. He hatched a plan to strike a blow at his oppressors and free his people from foreign domination and agression. He flew aircraft into the heart of the Great Satan.
It's different when you look at the other side of the coin, isn't it? Bin Laden decided to make his mark on the world in his pious way and now W wants to make his. Thankfully, the US is somewhat a nation of laws or we'd already be knee deep in blood for W's vision of imperialism and foolish vision of a Pax Americana.
Enough of the puritanical hysteria. It's myopic BS. A few months isn't going to do anything except make Saddam squirm and perhaps get the entire Western World on the same team to deal with the menance of religious fundamentalism Islamic style, suicide bombers and all.
BTW, President Bill (how I miss having a steady hand at the tiller and the markets too I daresay) said, "I did not have sexual realations with that woman." He didn't in the dictionary sense "have relations" because he only got a BJ and a cigar prepped for smoking. But noooooo! Idiot puritans bent on revenge for having been made to look like monkeys under Eye of Newt were on it like starving dogs on a bone. And the world laughed. Must have been nice to only have to worry about what the president was or was not getting on the side instead of the huge deficits and spilling of American blood on distant shores we are now facing. Ah, the good ole days...
The redneck warmongers I refer to are not the men and women in uniform. Rather, they are the chickenhawks willing to spend the blood of those who serve for dubious gains and who have no blood stake in the lives they risk.
Pinko Communism, Stalinism, Moaism, whatever. A rose is a rose. The fight was against global communism not against socialist nations like Sweden.
I thought the whole wag the dog thing was way over done. I couldn't care less what Uncle Bill did is his spare time. It was an ironic twist of fate that Bill's Hollywood came out with a movie of that name at exactly the moment the "asprin factory" bombing happened. But that is what Hollywood is best at: Populist tripe.
VimyJ wrote: I hope the inspectors find WMD's in Iraq so that those idiot frogs would be made to look foolish. Yet, somehow, I don't think it's going to happen.
OK then, let’s put this to bed -
I choose to listen to the collective world’s Intelligence community With Powell as a Front Man while you, in you perfectly logical choice, choose to believe everything Blixie da Pixie says: Hmmmmmmm
Would this be the same Dr Hans Blix who was Director General of the IAEA who signed off on Iraq having NO NUCULEAR PROGRAMs in 1990 ? (STRIKE 1) Let’s just forget about reality rearing its head on that one Amigo - (you never answered when twice asked if you believed as fervently they were innocent back then either ?)
Would this be the same Dr Hans Blix who was Director General of the IAEA who signed off on Our pals Kimmie Poo that N. Korea was hunky dory and was declared a fully complaint playpals, with a non-threatening, innocuous Nuke program (STRIKE 2) Hmmmmm - Maybe W da Cowboy was onto something w/that Axis of Evil -
Would this be a freakin Swedish LAWYER (STRIKE 3 ! ! ! !) who plays politician instead of Inspector ? (What do you call a busload of Lawyers going over a cliff - - - A GREAT start)
Sorry - Can’t wait around for the next round of Blast the US back to the Stone Age, I prefer Baghdad to become Slag City
After 9/11 changed the calculus of International terrorism being interconnected - I side w/the world’s Intelligence services that Iraq , as much as anyone, freely harbors, trains and pays to support terrorists.
Did I mention that before Binny Baby and the Al Q boyos, the most notorious professional mastermind of terrorism for many years, Abu Nidal, not only lived freely and openly in Baghdad, he had a publicly listed phone number - 5 figure payoffs to Palestinian bombers’ - purchase of $$Billions$$ of French and Russian Weapons, and my my, German Biotechnical Laboratory equipment . . . . (I got to believe when Iraq admitted to 10,000 plus liters of Anthrax and VX and Sarin And Mustard Agents, they weren’t talking distilled Camel poop, rather goodies produced with SOMEONE’s (Achtung/Oui ?) Lab equipment)
If you choose to side with the position of keeping the Violently National Socialistic Murderers in Slag City to be, you just chose to align yourself with Jacques Iraq protecting their oil money -Wait a minute - you were impugning W and the American Oil boys Weren’t you ? Are you really aware of who makes the do-ra-mi off Iraq’s oil, and insists on keeping the status quo? FOLLOW THE DAMN (OIL) MONEY !
Whatsamatta you, can’t stand a Moral man taking a stand and saying what he intends to do - Demand Following 12 Years of laughed at UN sanctions be followed or become slag -
1: Disarm - or
2: Take out a morally bankrupt dictator that poses a threat to the US with his stated intentions and minor proclivities to play poorly with neighbors, shelter and train scum, and provide support to anyone who farts toward the Great Satan - or
3: You must be with the french supporting the morally bankrupt position of business w/Saddam otherwise.
Time is not on the Coalitions side as the Geographical, weather and readiness issues of Manpower on point don’t argue for playing UN footsie Ad Infinitum - 12 FREAKING YEARS ALREADY ! ! ! ! Not a rush to war, just reality -
Again, the first round is still on me, but, if we have to wait till the freed Iraqi scientists fess up after our lil’ dustup and prove you wrong (what DID you believe when Iraq and the UN said NO NUKES in 90 ?), I might insist you will have to pick up the first shots.
msscomm wrote:OK then, let’s put this to bed
Actually, It's time to wake up and smell the coffee or tea if that's your preference.
Your are absolutley right about one thing. The rest is open to debate.
What you have correctly and unarguably observed is the money angle. Let's do a little arithmetic. Iraq has known crude reserves of 115 billion barrels. Multiply that by $25/bbl (a price that we all seem to be able to live with) and you come up with a "cuppa" "Texas Tea" worth $2,875,000,000,000. Let's say that the oil companies can make a conservative 7% off each barrel. That comes to $201,250,000,000 that the oil boys (W and Cheeney included) slurp down. Then add in natural gas. The profits are ENORMOUS for whoever is in control. Talk about your Texas "Tea Party"! Futhermore, since it is well known that the Bush family has been in bed with the Suadi royal family for decades, you have some strange bedfellows indeed. The perpetrators of the 9/11 atrocity were afterall, on the whole, Saudi not Iraqi.
A little arithmetic shines a light on France's and the US's true motivation which is truly a case of the coffee pot calling the tea kettle black. Unfortunately for the US, France holds the high legal cards. Then there's tea loving Russia and China who, without a doubt, would not like to see the US even more powerful than it already is.The resolutions are the UN's and since the US isn't able to provide evidence to make a legitimate case for preemptive self defence, well, the only recourse is unilateral invasion which is illegal under international law. Not my cup of tea.
I'm all for the western part of the Western World (of which the tea adoring UK is firmly a part and because they don't even consider themselves "European" and neither do the European nations traditionally ) controlling the "black gold". However, the case has not been made that a unilateral US invasion is justifiable due to lack of evidence to support the claim of self defence.
If an action is unjustifiable then it is unjust. Injustice is immoral. Case in point: Bin Laden obviously thought his murder of our brothers and sisters in freedom was a moral act. Therefore, one man's moral act can be another's immoral atrocity. Because morality is plainly a subjective concept, using it for justifing an unjustifiable (so far because the inspector's could come across some real evidence given time and resources) claim of self defence blurs the objective motives of such a course of action. The objective motive is money and power for all concerned. Beautiful profits reported quarterly generating huge dividend income provided to the biggest share holders TAX FREE and a decline in the standard of living of the majority of Americans for generations because of massive debt that they will have to payoff. Joe Average is going to be left holding the Texas tea bag so to speak.
W & Co. are attempting to short sheet the US public. US taxpayer subsidization of the Anglo/American oil industry expansion by means of armed conquest coupled with a bankrupting of the federal government by means of tax cuts designed to protect the very richest who have 10's of thousands of share's outside of tax protected IRA's that will create a utopian world for rich, neo conservative robber barrons. W's making a bed I don't want to lie in. Drink W's witch's brew of half truths? His chicory? Not for all the tea in China.
Gotta hand it to the frogs, though, for yesterday's massive rally in the stock markets (can't call them "bourses" anymore 'cause that's a French word). By shooting down the Britsh (read Canadian) propsal even faster than Iraq, the markets saw less chance of war and zoom!. If WMD destruction are found in Iraq, the drinks are on me. Long Island Ice Teas, perhaps?
VimyJ wrote:but I hope the inspectors find WMD's in Iraq so that those idiot frogs would be made to look foolish. Yet, somehow, I don't think it's going to happen.
Well, at least we seem to have you struggling for any kind of backup depth to your position -
You still seem to choose to refute Powell and the WORLD’s COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES, as, YOU know better: that Saddam and the boyos are WMD Free ! Guess you are lining up with Farrel, Streisand and Penn who know what’s under the sands around the world. What, Believe Blixie Da Pixie for another twelve years - “Would this be the same Dr Hans Blix who was Director General of the IAEA who signed off on Iraq having NO NUCLEAR PROGRAMs in 1990 ? Would this be the same Dr Hans Blix who was Director General of the IAEA who signed off on Our pals Kimmie Poo that N. Korea was hunky dory and was declared a fully complaint playpal, with a non-threatening, innocuous Nuke program?” For the third time - were you as strident in your belief of Saddams innocence in the 1990's when the UN said All is wunnnerful, and THEN the Nuke, Biological, Radiological and Chemical goodies come out to play after sooooooooo many protests of innocence from CamelJockitch #1. (Wonder where our Farrel/Streisand/Penn Co-Secretary of States stood on this - right along with you ?) Boy oh Boy, you sure can pick your Homies, I suppose Jacques Iraq is sending a Case of Olive Oil so the truth can continue to wash over you , slide down your back and not stick ‘atwixt them lil’ heary things.
You seem to have slowed you criticisms of our American President - I’m still awaiting an answer - “As to you denigrating W, did YOU obtain an Masters degree? an MBA? an MBA from HARVARD? F102 Flight Certification ? Again, While W may not be the sharpest arrow in the quiver (but probably smarter then you or I based on his edumakation, my MSIE/MBA are only from Public California Institutions), methinks I like the real pros being back in control vs the other options. Oh that’’s right - OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW far more than all of those intelligence sources of the combined world that W uses”.
You seem to have slowed your criticisms of A RUSH TO WAR and CONTAIN ‘EM HIGH ! Whattsamatta you, REALITY And HISTORY slip in - smelled the coffee ? 12 years of ineffectualness from the UN Footsie Brigade w/Blixie as current Whipping, boy. The proven fallacy and Idiocy of listening to, believing and allowing CamelJockitch #1 to play hide da Salami unless a Quarter of a Million Inspectors are knocking at the door ? A RUSH TO WAR? ? ? YOUR sainted Billery didn’t even go 6 month with attempts at the UN before pulling the trigger WITHOUT UN MOMMYBOY’s SANCTION on that mind boggelingly North-American threatening problem in Serbo-Croatia, or Liechtenstein , or Andorra or some other World Trouble spot. Excussseee MEEEEEEEEE - Ahhhh, but 12 years, months more listening to that nadr of nothingness Blixie, Camel Jockitch’s obsequious lies agonizingly pulled from him - That is a RUSH ? ? ?.
BTW - We ARE successfully pursuing a course against Al Q at the same time, did you laugh your *** off when some idiotic Democratic Senator had to rewrite his words about the ineffectual war on terror vs wasted $$ on Iraq, just the same day that a minor catch like Da Sheikh Man got his nuts in a turban - This Aint your Daddy’s Combat Scene out there anymore !
Oopsies, did ya forget those little REALITY and HISTORY thingees again as we are already on decent terms with the worlds largest Owner of Gas, Qatar, and a passing Howdy w/da Saudi’s. What about the Owner of the worlds largest Coal sands repository, Your own Great White N. ? Can you say American Coal ? But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - you seem to advocate we take the morally idiotic view and lets leave the #2 depository of Texas Tea to be spent on more support for Terrorism, MWD, Armed Colonialism and all the assorted games ole’ Camel Jockitch#1 has been, and continues to play - At least we aren’t supporting the schmuck directly anymore - You come down on CamelJockitch# 1's side when you refuse to believe a good moral man is doing what he is charged with doing, Protecting the US. If the end result of Wacky Boys comin Necktie party is a Free Iraq that has its people come home to run a productive society, and yes, even have a modernized infrastructure that would probably allow multi-nationals in to help (the seven sisters amongst), and you don’t want that, I am led to believe you prefer CamelJockitch# 1 and the status quo - just like the FRENCH -
And get OFF those despotic, repressive lil’ buds of ours, the Saudi’s, it’s a hell of a tightrope act to modernize a country when the idiots from the next Wadi want control over your family and the countries resources - they HAVE raised the standards of living from tent floors just a bit - so don’t equate birth places with accrued loyalties (Johnny Bin Walker anyone ?) Hell, we still have our lil’ issues of secular vs religious contingents getting their ways.
You blithely continue to blame W and da Gang for being back in power - Don’t be preposterous, the old guards professionalism is thankfully back and attempting to set the ship aright - Didja ferget slashing half of our ship count, Thanks Billery, didja ferget slashing half of of Air Wing count, Thanks Billery, Didja ferget slashing half of our Battalion strength in the Army, Thanks Billery, didja ferget decimating every Intelligence organization, Thanks Billery ? Could we extrapolate and blame 9/11 on Billery dooming our Intelligence Agencies to working undermanned and underfunded, while liberals made the world safe for gnatcatchers ? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Reality - What a Concept
Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, keep bringing up Billary - in these tense times, we soo need a good laugh to proceed taking a Saddam and wiping ones’ Hussain. Again, I am sorry to mention REALITY and HISTORY, but the market started to collapse on Billery’s watch as the Stock market highs were at their Historic high about three years ago, Hmmmmmmm, the Puffy Daddy excess starting to come home in the whole last year of BS - lets not forget the US Guv-Mint admitting Bore and the Dems had cooked the bookes to try to make the financial book thingys a bit rosier for his de election fiasco. Kinda reminds me of Our dear Governor Grey (pay-to-play) Dufus lying wildly just before the election. Hell, I know - Lets start a position for Secretary of the New Worlds State of Wunnerfulness in California and have Farrel/Streisand/Penn tell us what is what in the State of The World. I for one am just all a twitter waiting for their sainted pronouncements!
I tend to believe that the Islamic/Arabian folks are gonna make Mussolini’s lil’ necktie party look insignificant - look at Jordan wiping out a couple of hundred thousand Palasitinians yappin’ about Me, Me, I, I, Gimme, Gimme when they didn’t agree the King retaining his own Biblical land (Newbies, sheeesh), remember Assad wiping the village off the face of the earth as they defied him (pretty damn easy to shut yappie Palasitinians up if you play normal Middle Eastern Slaughter-em-all Politics, but nooooo - now they have a long suffering bunch of souls that act like the US with forbearance and tolerance to yap at) Camel Jockitch# 1 assumes he can continue to do what he been doing (proving the UN sure as Hell is a good joke) - buuuuut, you can just feel the love waiting for ole’ Camel Jockitch# 1 ‘a comin - from his own !
[quote=" msscomm Well, at least we seem to have you struggling for any kind of backup depth to your position -[/quote]If you're having trouble understanding the words get somebody to read it to you. However, don't get someone from the CIA to read to to you because it'll turn into evidence of WMD's in Iraq.
Quote »You still seem to choose to refute Powell and the WORLD’s COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES[/quote]Why, if these vaunted intelligence sources are so good, don't they pass along this daming evidence to the UN inspectors? Humm? Too valuable? Too secret? "Ackmed, this Colonel Mohammed, do you have lawn chairs in case the inspectors come by?" Yes. OK, blessings be upon your mustache, Colonel." Man, that's some good intell.
Quote » Guess you are lining up with Farrel, Streisand and Penn[/quote]Farrel is OK as far as it goes. Striesand is a hell of a singer. Penn is goof. They have a right to express themselves and so do you and Mush Dimbulb.
Quote » who know what’s under the sands around the world.
http://truthout.org/docs_03/031503D.shtml
Quote » For the third time - were you as strident in your belief of Saddams innocence in the 1990's when the UN said All is wunnnerful[/quote]Nope. I have always been in favour of ruthless, nasty and in your face and hand up their bung hole type of inspections. It surprises me that no one wants that especially you. I want to have evidence that is so damning that the Security Council has no choice but to disarm and force a change of goverment. I know this isn't about baby seals although I believe Inuit people do use oil from seals. You underestimate me, my friend. I am Dimbulb's greatest fear: a radical right leaning liberal moderate.
Quote »You seem to have slowed you criticisms of our American President -[/quote]What's the point of arguing over, as you said it yourself, an "empty vessel". Do I respect him? In a word, no. I do, however, respect the institution that is the presidency. Quote » methinks I like the real pros being back in control vs the other options.[/quote]W's "profession" was the oil business. A profession he failed miserably at. Oil and W don't mix.
Quote »You seem to have slowed your criticisms of A RUSH TO WAR and CONTAIN ‘EM HIGH !
You say that like it's a negative thing.
Quote »Oopsies, did ya forget those little REALITY and HISTORY thingees again as we are already on decent terms with the worlds largest Owner of Gas, Qatar, and a passing Howdy w/da Saudi’s. What about the Owner of the worlds largest Coal sands repository, Your own Great White N. ? Can you say American Coal ?[/quote]How could I forget that, silly man! I have mentioned the Bush family's interest in the wellbeing of the Saudi royal family and other "freindly" regimes many times. What's really interesting is that petroleum locked in the massive oil sands of Canada and almost equally as massive US oil shales becomes profitable when the price/bbl of crude reaches $40. The lure of Iraq's oil is that it's easily accessible and "flows out the ground comes abubblin' crude Crude oil, that is, Texas tea. Well the first thing you know, old W's a billionaire...." Old W out hunting with a gun. LOL
Quote » But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - you seem to advocate we take the morally idiotic view and lets leave the #2 depository of Texas Tea to be spent on more support for Terrorism, MWD, Armed Colonialism and all the assorted games ole’ Camel Jockitch#1 has been, and continues to play -[/quote]Jeeze, for a second there I thought you were talking about W and Co. There is a parallel. Lotta money in oil and we all know money is the root of all evil.
Quote » At least we aren’t supporting the schmuck directly anymore - [/quote]Ya, right. Like I ever have or would. "Are you still beating your wife?" C'mon...
Quote »You come down on CamelJockitch# 1's side when you refuse to believe a good moral man is doing what he is charged with doing, Protecting the US.[/quote]No evidence for a justified preemptive invasion based upon self defence morals be damned.
Quote » If the end result of Wacky Boys comin Necktie party is a Free Iraq that has its people come home to run a productive society, and yes, even have a modernized infrastructure that would probably allow multi-nationals in to help (the seven sisters amongst), -[/quote]
That would be a good result, no doubt about it. Too bad W couldn't get the UN on board. We just need some good damning intelligence. Smoking gun? How about any gun? C'mon guys. You can do better than artists conceptions of what biolabs might look like if they even exist.
Quote »You blithely continue to blame W and da Gang for being back in power - Don’t be preposterous, the old guards professionalism is thankfully back and attempting to set the ship aright -[/quote]You're right. Greed is eternal. Let's get back to business. If blood and illegallity is a price we must pay for riches and power, then so be it. Just say that it is and don't spout drivel about human rights and justice. Federal bankruptcy is a good thing especially when you have a populace that is in favour of it.
Quote » Didja ferget slashing half of our ship count, Thanks Billery, didja ferget slashing half of of Air Wing count, Thanks Billery, Didja ferget slashing half of our Battalion strength in the Army,[/quote]There's barely enough men and equipment for a decent occupation is there? Don't worry though, Selective Service will save the day and the taxpayer will pay the tab. Maybe this is a new economic theorey that involved taking piles of money and burning it in massive heaps and using the rest to bribe allies.
Quote »Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, keep bringing up Billary -[/quote]OK.
I tend to believe that the Islamic/Arabian folks are gonna make Mussolini’s lil’ necktie party look insignificant -[/QUOTE]
You're right. This could get more ugly than we can believe very easily. They don't mind spilling infedel blood. The Muslims extremists I refer to. Iraq doesn't fit your game of toy sldiers though because it is a secular state and had nothing to do with 9/11.
You remind me of the joke about the woman who took her car to the dealership because it was the missing the "710" cap. She didn't know what it did or what it had to do with but it was always there before sitting right on top of the engine. You have an excellent view of some trees but don't recognize the extent of the forest.
Cheers. I'm still buying if WMD's show up. I hope they do. I crave legitamacy.
Quote »You still seem to choose to refute Powell and the WORLD’s COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES[/quote]Why, if these vaunted intelligence sources are so good, don't they pass along this daming evidence to the UN inspectors? Humm? Too valuable? Too secret? "Ackmed, this Colonel Mohammed, do you have lawn chairs in case the inspectors come by?" Yes. OK, blessings be upon your mustache, Colonel." Man, that's some good intell.
Quote » Guess you are lining up with Farrel, Streisand and Penn[/quote]Farrel is OK as far as it goes. Striesand is a hell of a singer. Penn is goof. They have a right to express themselves and so do you and Mush Dimbulb.
Quote » who know what’s under the sands around the world.
You've got a real thing against your pal Blix. Get a different inspector. Unfortunately, for W & Co. he keeps blowing holes into the termite infested house of sticks W calls evidence. Thankfully, there is a division of power in the US. Check it out:
I know exactly what's under the sands of Iraq and it's probably closer to WD40 than it is to WMD.
You still haven't told me why there such a rush to invade.What, Believe Blixie Da Pixie for another twelve years -
Quote »“Would this be the same Dr Hans Blix who was Director General of the IAEA who signed off on Iraq having NO NUCLEAR PROGRAMs in 1990 ? Would this be the same Dr Hans Blix who was Director General of the IAEA who signed off on Our pals Kimmie Poo that N. Korea was hunky dory and was declared a fully complaint playpal, with a non-threatening, innocuous Nuke program?”
http://truthout.org/docs_03/031503D.shtml
Quote » For the third time - were you as strident in your belief of Saddams innocence in the 1990's when the UN said All is wunnnerful[/quote]Nope. I have always been in favour of ruthless, nasty and in your face and hand up their bung hole type of inspections. It surprises me that no one wants that especially you. I want to have evidence that is so damning that the Security Council has no choice but to disarm and force a change of goverment. I know this isn't about baby seals although I believe Inuit people do use oil from seals. You underestimate me, my friend. I am Dimbulb's greatest fear: a radical right leaning liberal moderate.
Quote »You seem to have slowed you criticisms of our American President -[/quote]What's the point of arguing over, as you said it yourself, an "empty vessel". Do I respect him? In a word, no. I do, however, respect the institution that is the presidency. Quote » methinks I like the real pros being back in control vs the other options.[/quote]W's "profession" was the oil business. A profession he failed miserably at. Oil and W don't mix.
Quote »You seem to have slowed your criticisms of A RUSH TO WAR and CONTAIN ‘EM HIGH !
BTW - We ARE successfully pursuing a course against Al Q at the same time[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I didn't know I was slipping. OK. Why the Rush to war? No evidence. (please feel free to read other posts on this and other like threads that I have written)
You ar so caught up in the minutia and your loathing of Blix that you can't see the forest for the tress. Trees? Trees? This guy said trees. He must be a (grrrrrrr) liberal wacko.A RUSH TO WAR? ? ? YOUR sainted Billery didn’t even go 6 month with attempts at the UN before pulling the trigger WITHOUT UN MOMMYBOY’s SANCTION on that mind boggelingly North-American threatening problem in Serbo-Croatia, or Liechtenstein , or Andorra or some other World Trouble spot. Excussseee MEEEEEEEEE - Ahhhh, but 12 years, months more listening to that nadr of nothingness Blixie, Camel Jockitch’s obsequious lies agonizingly pulled from him - That is a RUSH ? ? ?.
You say that like it's a negative thing.
Quote »Oopsies, did ya forget those little REALITY and HISTORY thingees again as we are already on decent terms with the worlds largest Owner of Gas, Qatar, and a passing Howdy w/da Saudi’s. What about the Owner of the worlds largest Coal sands repository, Your own Great White N. ? Can you say American Coal ?[/quote]How could I forget that, silly man! I have mentioned the Bush family's interest in the wellbeing of the Saudi royal family and other "freindly" regimes many times. What's really interesting is that petroleum locked in the massive oil sands of Canada and almost equally as massive US oil shales becomes profitable when the price/bbl of crude reaches $40. The lure of Iraq's oil is that it's easily accessible and "flows out the ground comes abubblin' crude Crude oil, that is, Texas tea. Well the first thing you know, old W's a billionaire...." Old W out hunting with a gun. LOL
Quote » But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - you seem to advocate we take the morally idiotic view and lets leave the #2 depository of Texas Tea to be spent on more support for Terrorism, MWD, Armed Colonialism and all the assorted games ole’ Camel Jockitch#1 has been, and continues to play -[/quote]Jeeze, for a second there I thought you were talking about W and Co. There is a parallel. Lotta money in oil and we all know money is the root of all evil.
Quote » At least we aren’t supporting the schmuck directly anymore - [/quote]Ya, right. Like I ever have or would. "Are you still beating your wife?" C'mon...
Quote »You come down on CamelJockitch# 1's side when you refuse to believe a good moral man is doing what he is charged with doing, Protecting the US.[/quote]No evidence for a justified preemptive invasion based upon self defence morals be damned.
Quote » If the end result of Wacky Boys comin Necktie party is a Free Iraq that has its people come home to run a productive society, and yes, even have a modernized infrastructure that would probably allow multi-nationals in to help (the seven sisters amongst), -[/quote]
That would be a good result, no doubt about it. Too bad W couldn't get the UN on board. We just need some good damning intelligence. Smoking gun? How about any gun? C'mon guys. You can do better than artists conceptions of what biolabs might look like if they even exist.
Quote »You blithely continue to blame W and da Gang for being back in power - Don’t be preposterous, the old guards professionalism is thankfully back and attempting to set the ship aright -[/quote]You're right. Greed is eternal. Let's get back to business. If blood and illegallity is a price we must pay for riches and power, then so be it. Just say that it is and don't spout drivel about human rights and justice. Federal bankruptcy is a good thing especially when you have a populace that is in favour of it.
Quote » Didja ferget slashing half of our ship count, Thanks Billery, didja ferget slashing half of of Air Wing count, Thanks Billery, Didja ferget slashing half of our Battalion strength in the Army,[/quote]There's barely enough men and equipment for a decent occupation is there? Don't worry though, Selective Service will save the day and the taxpayer will pay the tab. Maybe this is a new economic theorey that involved taking piles of money and burning it in massive heaps and using the rest to bribe allies.
Quote »Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, keep bringing up Billary -[/quote]OK.
I tend to believe that the Islamic/Arabian folks are gonna make Mussolini’s lil’ necktie party look insignificant -[/QUOTE]
You're right. This could get more ugly than we can believe very easily. They don't mind spilling infedel blood. The Muslims extremists I refer to. Iraq doesn't fit your game of toy sldiers though because it is a secular state and had nothing to do with 9/11.
You remind me of the joke about the woman who took her car to the dealership because it was the missing the "710" cap. She didn't know what it did or what it had to do with but it was always there before sitting right on top of the engine. You have an excellent view of some trees but don't recognize the extent of the forest.
Cheers. I'm still buying if WMD's show up. I hope they do. I crave legitamacy.
V
I think you will owe me for my new tag line alone !
Perhaps when you spring for that first round, we should nickname 'em "Texas" Iced Teas -
OK, OK, I admit it - I have a serious case of envy - I can't divert a nation's fabulous resources into $$ in my pockets and WMD's - but a boys' gotta have someone to look up to, shouldn't he ?
I think you will owe me for my new tag line alone !
VimyJ wrote:If WMD destruction are found in Iraq, the drinks are on me. Long Island Ice Teas, perhaps?
Perhaps when you spring for that first round, we should nickname 'em "Texas" Iced Teas -
OK, OK, I admit it - I have a serious case of envy - I can't divert a nation's fabulous resources into $$ in my pockets and WMD's - but a boys' gotta have someone to look up to, shouldn't he ?
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US Diplomacy
Saw something on Discovery today that kinda made me wonder ..
Basicly they said that the US and Ruissia would butt into other peoples civil wars and upriseings to spread or keep at bay comunisim ,USSR wanting more comrade nations and we wanting more democratic nations , i wonder if this is why the US still gets involoved in what some call "other peoples problems"...tho now that the USSR is no longer , maybe we still go over to promote democracy and keep terrorlst nations at bay ? or at least on paper thats why we do it ????
sorry no other IRAQ threads that are still alive to post this ramdom thought in
Basicly they said that the US and Ruissia would butt into other peoples civil wars and upriseings to spread or keep at bay comunisim ,USSR wanting more comrade nations and we wanting more democratic nations , i wonder if this is why the US still gets involoved in what some call "other peoples problems"...tho now that the USSR is no longer , maybe we still go over to promote democracy and keep terrorlst nations at bay ? or at least on paper thats why we do it ????
sorry no other IRAQ threads that are still alive to post this ramdom thought in
Re: US Diplomacy
The basic communist tactic was to move in anywhere the status quo could be or was being destabilized. The US also invoked the same tactics in places like Chile for instance.Stoneage_Turbo wrote:Saw something on Discovery today that kinda made me wonder ..
Basicly they said that the US and Ruissia would butt into other peoples civil wars and upriseings to spread or keep at bay comunisim ,USSR wanting more comrade nations and we wanting more democratic nations , i wonder if this is why the US still gets involoved in what some call "other peoples problems"...tho now that the USSR is no longer , maybe we still go over to promote democracy and keep terrorlst nations at bay ? or at least on paper thats why we do it ????
sorry no other IRAQ threads that are still alive to post this ramdom thought in
If you don't know the story behind the Panama canal, it is the origin of the term "gun boat" diplomacy. Panama, before the canal, was a province of Columbia. However, the Columbians were too troublesome to deal with so Teddy Roosevelte basically set up the nation of Panama at gun point. My point is that the US often uses montetary motives for "political" action. In Chile the status quo was upset by elections that didn't go to the liking of the US government so they overthrew it. There was a lot of money at stake because the new government was going to nationalize the mining industry among others. This was not a good thing for big US mining concerns (read US profits) so the CIA staged an assination of the head of the new democratically elected left leaning government and installed a practically fascist regime that went on a war or terror upon it's domestic political opponents. Newpapers shut down, people disappearing, etc.
The US gov't fought communism mainly because it threatened the wealth of the US and, by extension, the western or "Free World". Freedom is a component of wealth. Money is the creator of freedom.
With the Iraq situation, one can see how there are parallels to previous US geopolitical moves. The similarity is money. Freedom and democracy are merely possible byproducts. Tyranny and torture another.
Controlling the world's largest oil fields is the primary motive of W & Co. Bankrupting the federal government is the icing on the cake. They walk hand in hand. A glowing opportunity for GOP oilmen to really set things up nicely for profits and lowered taxes resulting from a gutted government. The rich get richer and the poor taxpayer gets poorer left to pay off a massive deficit for generations through their hard work making profits for their robber barron masters. (Man, that sounds positively communistic and I'm far from a communist!)
W wants to cut the expensive middle class and redistribute wealth back to like it was 100 years ago before unions and fair wages. Union breaking, using the army to conquer and secure oil feilds, running up massive debt and tax cuts for the wealthy.
Our freedoms are being stolen from us by the neo conservatives. Lookout! Lower standard of living ahead!
I hadn't planned on writing the above but the thoughts just kept going. Thanks for your indulgence. Peace.
Hey, I'm not the only one who thinks "there's something rotten in Denmark"
Check it out:
http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-b...olumn
Check it out:
http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-b...olumn
msscomm wrote:V I think you will owe me for my new tag line alone !Perhaps when you spring for that first round, we should nickname 'em "Texas" Iced Teas -
OK, OK, I admit it - I have a serious case of envy - I can't divert a nation's fabulous resources into $$ in my pockets and WMD's - but a boys' gotta have someone to look up to, shouldn't he ?
That's a very short sighted perspective. I am surprised that your attitude towards this is strctly materialist. But why, really, should I be surprized at that attitude from a "typical American". Hey, materialism is one of the reasons there is so much anti Americanism about in the world these days and we absolutely must not be surprised by that observation. Materialism and corresponding decadence are also why Bin Laden hates us enough to commit murder on our brothers and sisters in freedom. Ironically, it's also why so much of the world wants emmigrate to the US. It ain't freedom they're after. It's greenbacks.
Of course you know, msscomm, your tag line that vilifies and degrades the French is standard indoctrination proceedure to dehumanize the enemy. You are putty in W's hands.
And again, it would be my pleasure to buy if WMD's are found. I don't think "Manhattens" would be a good choice somehow.
With apologies to Fred for more war musings, I must say that I saw the face of evil on the morning news shows yesterday. There sat a man explaining an invasion of another nation as a "just and moral war". Not too dissimilar to the explanations offered by an evil regime claiming that "lebansraum" (sp?) was a moral and just ambition to its population 60 years ago.
Except for their excellent hockey teams, I never thought I would miss the Soviet Union. However, at least there was a counter balance to the US. Now the US stands unopposed in it's imperialist ambitions by another super power.
This war is going to be bad for the West. Why is there such an appetite for war amongst humans? Why is the US the only nation in the world that is in favour of this war? Just heard on CNN this second that support for the invasion is slipping in the US. To little too late, though. 57% to 54%.
The lid is about to be lifted off Pandora's box.
Seig Hiel
Except for their excellent hockey teams, I never thought I would miss the Soviet Union. However, at least there was a counter balance to the US. Now the US stands unopposed in it's imperialist ambitions by another super power.
This war is going to be bad for the West. Why is there such an appetite for war amongst humans? Why is the US the only nation in the world that is in favour of this war? Just heard on CNN this second that support for the invasion is slipping in the US. To little too late, though. 57% to 54%.
The lid is about to be lifted off Pandora's box.
Seig Hiel