CVT Fluid Change

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby rowlands57 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:30 am

That's becoming more and more common on many vehicles. My Audi, VW and Mazda CX-9 all have that same method in some form or fashion. It does complicate things and in the case of the Audi and VW special fittings are needed to get the fluid back in. Then you need a scan tool or infrared thermometer to check the fluid temp to ensure proper fill.

With all that said, I still do the work myself. While it is a bit more involved it's not really that bad. Keeping the car level is important to proper fill so I have to put all 4 corners up when doing this job.

Since my Rogue is a 2011 I don't have the issue as this one is done the old fashioned way; drain at the bottom fill at the dipstick.


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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby chunt5 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:27 am

You can refill the fluid trough the dip stick tube. I have done it.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby cl1chicago » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:15 pm

I change CVT oil fluid every 50K with the Nissan certified fluid, although there are equivalents out there for the cost it's not worth the risk of warranty issues or any other problem. 294,954 miles put on my 09 Rogue.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby RiderEh » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:14 pm

Hi All,

I've been lurking and looked at mine this weekend so I thought I'd post as I have a question. We have a 2014 SL which doesn't have the dipstick. I'm wondering if I can just dump the fluid from the drain bolt, measure it, then refill through the imaginary dipstick hole the same amount? Has anyone tried this? Thinking this may be the simple way, instead of dealing with all this oil temperature/reset/sensor stuff.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby RiderEh » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:25 pm

I should add, I think this procedure will work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZKsy8f ... ex=14&t=0s

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby Lone Wolff » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:51 pm

I am going to be attempting a drain and fill using the above method as well. Nearing 60,000 miles and that's all the longer I am willing to push the interval. Should be a fairly simple procedure. Get it warmed up, drain, then replace exactly same amount as was drained.
The hardest part was getting that damn cap off. No matter how or where I put pressure with the screwdriver, it was not coming out without breaking the little plastic tab. At least with the O ring fitted to the cap, it will still function and if I ever have to do another drain and fill, it will be simple.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby casperfun » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:16 pm

Just turn the dipstick 180" so it won't lock.

This allows you to check the levels without dealing with that locking cap.

I actually get upset when I accidentally lock when looking at fluid levels.

I either can open it in seconds or fumbling for 5 minutes trying to remove the cap.

Nissan just has that locking cap to make it appear that it's a dealership service procedure and not for customers to do. :cool:

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby RiderEh » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:51 am

Let us know how it goes Lonewolf. If I have time I may do it this weekend as well.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby rowlands57 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:30 pm

Lone Wolff wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:51 pm
I am going to be attempting a drain and fill using the above method as well. Nearing 60,000 miles and that's all the longer I am willing to push the interval. Should be a fairly simple procedure. Get it warmed up, drain, then replace exactly same amount as was drained.
The hardest part was getting that damn cap off. No matter how or where I put pressure with the screwdriver, it was not coming out without breaking the little plastic tab. At least with the O ring fitted to the cap, it will still function and if I ever have to do another drain and fill, it will be simple.
If you have not done the job yet it may actually be better to drain the fluid at 'room temperature' because that is the temp of the new fluid. By doing so you should get a more accurate reading of what to put back in. Given this stuff is supposed to expand a bit when warm you may drain more (or less) than what you put back if they are at different temperatures.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby Lone Wolff » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:36 pm

rowlands57 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:30 pm

If you have not done the job yet it may actually be better to drain the fluid at 'room temperature' because that is the temp of the new fluid. By doing so you should get a more accurate reading of what to put back in. Given this stuff is supposed to expand a bit when warm you may drain more (or less) than what you put back if they are at different temperatures.
That's a really good point I hadn't thought about. I really need to make note of where the fluid level (cold) is at currently, then use that as a normal cold temp level indicator. Then fill back up to that line, or as close as I can.
I tried using the Rogue's oil dipstick in the transmission tube but it doesn't seem long enough. When fully seated into the transmission tube, there was just barely any fluid on the very tip of the dipstick.
I am changing the oil in it tomorrow and I will recheck again when fluid is hot. If I still have none on the dipstick, I will take either the transmission dipstick or the oil dipstick from my F150 and see if either of those might be useful. The oil dipstick is really long, like about 3 feet, but I think the transmission dipstick is even longer, if my memory serves.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby Lone Wolff » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:45 am

Well, wife is out of town for 3 days so I went ahead and did a drain and fill on the CVT fluid on her Rogue this morning. My thought was, just in case I royally F*'d something up, I had time to get it corrected before she returns. This was a very easy procedure aside from getting that damn cap off the tube. The transmission pan drain bolt is 19mm, and very easy access from the front. I use ramps on all four wheels. Plenty of room and keeps car level.

For the record, it has 55,500 miles on it and this is the first CVT fluid service. Local dealer has not touched this vehicle outside of the initial free oil change that was included at time of purchase.

It drained out exactly 3Qts + 20 oz at "Room temp" of 60F in my garage. So that is exactly what I added back in thru the breather/dipstick tube. I have not test driven it yet, but just ran it through all the gears like I have done when changing ATF in other vehicles. No strange noises or dash warnings.

I did try and use my F150 dipstick in it to get a reading a few weeks ago, but there must be some sharp enough angles or bends in that tube that prevented it from passing down low enough to get any fluid on it at all. So I scrapped that idea and just did my carefullest job of measuring what I emptied. I let it drain for about an hour so i am confident that what drained out was all that was going to come out via gravity.

FWIW, the old fluid still had some greenish color, but was starting to smell a bit funky. Thanks again to rowlands57 for reminding me of the temperature affecting the volume of the CVT fluid.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby nabril » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:18 am

@Lone Wolff--thanks for the write up and confidence to make me want to do it.
Where did you buy the fluid? What year and model is your wife's Rogue, btw?

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby nabril » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:21 am

Lone Wolff wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:45 am
Thanks again to rowlands57 for reminding me of the temperature affecting the volume of the CVT fluid.
@Lone Wolff--thanks for the write up and confidence to make me want to do it.
Where did you buy the fluid? What year and model is your wife's Rogue, btw?

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby localTradey » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:04 pm

The newer CVT calls for NS-3 has lower viscosity than NS-2. This is my theory:
IN engine, when you use higher viscosity oil eg 5W-60, the viscosity causes more drag than lower 5W-30 oil at higher temperature, this means poorer fuel economy but it still protects the engine nonetheless.
But with CVT, the higher viscosity - more drag means it gives the chain/belt higher stress. A stressed piston vs a belt/chain means a belt is likely to fail than piston since piston are solid metal.
The additives in the CVT and engine oil is to prevent sludge, modify viscosity etc, reduce friction but physical viscosity makes a difference in CVT.

Valvoline used to have a CVT fluid compatible with NS-2 and NS-3 but now the original version is only compatible to NS-2 and newer LV(lower viscosity ) option is for NS-3 was introduced recently.
But CVT has no combustion unlike an engine, so fluid tends to last longer.
I am considering sucking(via extraction tool) from the dipstick and then pouring the equivalent amount in. Less messy that way. Some may say this method cannot get all the oil out. That is true, but having 90% to 95% new fluid is better than old fluid. Can always do it again after 5K.
Just my 2 cents.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby Lone Wolff » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:22 pm

nabril wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:21 am


@Lone Wolff--thanks for the write up and confidence to make me want to do it.
Where did you buy the fluid? What year and model is your wife's Rogue, btw?
2015 SL
I used Castrol Transmax CVT. Fine print states it meets Nissan's NS-3 specs. I bought it from Amazon last month when the price was 24.74 for a case of six 1-Qt bottles.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9 ... UTF8&psc=1

Took the kids out to eat tonight and got a good test drive in. About 20 miles mixed HWY and city. Seems to drive just like it always did before. No better, no worse.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby localTradey » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:38 am

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Seems to drive just like it always did before. No better, no worse.
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This is how it should be. If you wait till you hear a whine or sluggish feeling etc, that means metal fatigue has set it. Unlike a human being which can recover and rebuild, metal fatigue is permanent. Fatigue weakens the metal.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby casperfun » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:28 am

Holy crap that’s a great price for cvt fluid compared to my batch of Nissan NS-2 fluid that I’ve been buying.

Even though I am wary with these 1 size fits all aftermarket cvt fluids. It definitely made me more open to them.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby nabril » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:50 pm

Lone Wolff wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:22 pm
I used Castrol Transmax CVT. Fine print states it meets Nissan's NS-3 specs. I bought it from Amazon last month when the price was 24.74 for a case of six 1-Qt bottles.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9 ... UTF8&psc=1
Lone--did you get the Import Automatic fluid? Or just the one labeled Automatic? The import one mentions that it's designed specifically for Honda, Toyota, and Nissan.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby Lone Wolff » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:12 pm

nabril wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:50 pm
Lone Wolff wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:22 pm
I used Castrol Transmax CVT. Fine print states it meets Nissan's NS-3 specs. I bought it from Amazon last month when the price was 24.74 for a case of six 1-Qt bottles.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9 ... UTF8&psc=1
Lone--did you get the Import Automatic fluid? Or just the one labeled Automatic? The import one mentions that it's designed specifically for Honda, Toyota, and Nissan.
No. To the best of my research, that one labeled "Import" is NOT CVT fluid. Just regular ATF. Only the one labeled CVT had the NS-3 designation on it.

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Re: CVT Fluid Change

Postby nabril » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:54 pm

chunt5 wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:42 am
One word of caution, NEVER REMOVE THE FLUID CHECK PLUG WITH ENGINE "NOT" RUNNING.
Chunt...miss a letter, and you got an insult. ha!!
Can you kindly elaborate on the comment above? I know that it sounds simple, but I'm assuming that you mean that we shouldn't remove the dipstick cap without the engine running??? Or am I way off??


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