Crew '99.9% sure' they've found Noah's Ark - Real or Hoax?

[audtatious]

Well, if it's corroboration you want, try The History Channel.

The Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical debate held by the early Christian church, concludes with the establishment of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

That the Council existed is not really a subject of much debate. That it worked out disagreements about the basic tenets of Christianity by majority vote is also not really a subject of much debate. That the people who lost the vote were kicked out of the Church for heresy isn't, either. Whether or not it matters is where skeptics and believers part ways.

Note that I'm not trying to beat on the believers... I'm just trying to bring light to a point that was hinted upon, doubted, and never really explained on this thread. And I don't have a problem with religious or otherwise faith-based beliefs. I do have a problem when an individual makes it their business to make it someone else's, too.

It don't matter. I'm sure at some point preaching religion here will have ramifications like it's beginning to in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... a-sin.html

[IBCoupe]

And, frankly, that story fails to tug on my heartstrings. Street-evangelists should go EABOD.

[AZhitman]

And, frankly, that story fails to tug on my heartstrings. Street-evangelists should go EABOD.

Whether you agree with the content of their message or not, they have just as much a right to speak their piece as any other person.

[audtatious]

And, frankly, that story fails to tug on my heartstrings. Street-evangelists should go EABOD.

What about the Boy Scouts being denied the use of the Balboa Park facilities in San Diego simply because they are a "Religion-inspired Organization"? They managed and maintained the park for theirs and the public's use including building up the facilities for years. Now they can't use it and the citizens of San Diego will have to start picking up the tab to maintain the park and facilities, in which case they will simply close it down like other parks in Cali to save cost. Guilt by association?

[IBCoupe]

And, frankly, that story fails to tug on my heartstrings. Street-evangelists should go EABOD.

Whether you agree with the content of their message or not, they have just as much a right to speak their piece as any other person.

Certainly, in the US. But if someone's going out of their way to harass passersby, I'm not going to lose sleep over their being harassed by the cops for it.

What about the Boy Scouts being denied the use of the Balboa Park facilities in San Diego simply because they are a "Religion-inspired Organization"? They managed and maintained the park for theirs and the public's use including building up the facilities for years. Now they can't use it and the citizens of San Diego will have to start picking up the tab to maintain the park and facilities, in which case they will simply close it down like other parks in Cali to save cost. Guilt by association?

Well, that would depend on a number of factors: what were they planning to use the park for? Were they planning to discriminate in attendance while taking advantage of public property (that they want to lease)?

How about this one, in the Supreme Court now? Should a student organization be allowed to take advantage of public funds and still maintain discriminatory membership standards, if those discriminatory membership standards are in accordance to their religious views?

[audtatious]

What about the Boy Scouts being denied the use of the Balboa Park facilities in San Diego simply because they are a "Religion-inspired Organization"? They managed and maintained the park for theirs and the public's use including building up the facilities for years. Now they can't use it and the citizens of San Diego will have to start picking up the tab to maintain the park and facilities, in which case they will simply close it down like other parks in Cali to save cost. Guilt by association?

Well, that would depend on a number of factors: what were they planning to use the park for? Were they planning to discriminate in attendance while taking advantage of public property (that they want to lease)?

How about this one, in the Supreme Court now? Should a student organization be allowed to take advantage of public funds and still maintain discriminatory membership standards, if those discriminatory membership standards are in accordance to their religious views?

Anyone should be able to have a group with their own views and rules in place as long as they are not breaking the law. Of course, with the way laws are written now, I guess you are right. Some Christian organizations discriminate as they don't want those who disagree with their views to attend (gays and fornicators). They should be forced to welcome those with opposing viewpoints to be allowed as a means to "better" themselves in the eyes of those who's opinions they disagree with.....The Boy Scouts should be forced to allow openly gay men to take the kids on overnight camp outs, NAMBLA should be allowed to have a "kids day" at the local school gym, etc. and NONE should receive public money to sponsor their events. Of course, if it were for a gay charity then it would be discriminatory for them to not be allowed public money if they can't raise it for themselves

Wonder what would happen on a campus if a Muslim organization wanted to have an event and they didn't want gays and such involved, do you think they would have the same issue? For some reason I don't believe they would.

[gammer_ghn]

honestly fu ck turkey Mt. Ararat is Armenia's. Genocide committing bastards that teach their nation to deny and arrest anyone who dares to speak of it happening. My mother nation should not be a land of nomads and turks who break off crosses and destroy my old churches and history!

Amen, brother. I'm still waiting for the campaign promises regarding recognition of the genocide to be kept.

Tough talk in campaign time = same old bend over act after the election.

Sad that the heritage and language is all but decimated.

Greg get some political power, ill do all the physical work and destruction.

[AZhitman]

Hahaha you got it my friend.

Serj has a series of videos where he calls out the POTUS for his failure. It's unfortunate that the REST of our brothers and sisters haven't used THEIR voices.

[IBCoupe]

Anyone should be able to have a group with their own views and rules in place as long as they are not breaking the law. Of course, with the way laws are written now, I guess you are right. Some Christian organizations discriminate as they don't want those who disagree with their views to attend (gays and fornicators). They should be forced to welcome those with opposing viewpoints to be allowed as a means to "better" themselves in the eyes of those who's opinions they disagree with.....The Boy Scouts should be forced to allow openly gay men to take the kids on overnight camp outs, NAMBLA should be allowed to have a "kids day" at the local school gym, etc. and NONE should receive public money to sponsor their events. Of course, if it were for a gay charity then it would be discriminatory for them to not be allowed public money if they can't raise it for themselves

Wonder what would happen on a campus if a Muslim organization wanted to have an event and they didn't want gays and such involved, do you think they would have the same issue? For some reason I don't believe they would.

They should only be forced to allow all-takers if they plan on taking public funds. If the public is going to subsidize their beliefs, they're going to have to sacrifice. Nothing's saying that the Boy Scouts have to "lease" the park for $1/year, and nothing's saying that the Christian Legal Society has to accept school subsidies. It's perfectly reasonable for a group of students to gather together to worship and study in a certain way, and to exclude anyone they want, as long as the public isn't paying for them to do so.

I think a discriminatory Muslim group would run into issues, Aud. Thing is, I doubt we'll ever find out. They don't have a habit of doing that at American Universities, at least not to the same degree as the Christian clubs seem to.

[audtatious]

Which I agree with in concept, but does not seem to be practiced in lots of areas.

[IBCoupe]

Which I agree with in concept, but does not seem to be practiced in lots of areas.

How do you mean? How is what practiced? Sorry, can't tell what you're referring to.

[audtatious]

Christian clubs being denied access to facilities on school campus while others of Muslim faith are given rooms to pray in. That's one example.

Anyway, yesterday was yesterday and I'm already bored with the topic. ADD tells me to find something more interesting.

[IBCoupe]

Well, OK, but note that the Christian clubs are being denied school funds, not access to campus, on the basis of their unwillingness to allow gays and atheists to join their clubs. Which Muslim groups are you referring to?

[gammer_ghn]

Hahaha you got it my friend.

Serj has a series of videos where he calls out the POTUS for his failure. It's unfortunate that the REST of our brothers and sisters haven't used THEIR voices.

Tankian? About the rest you are right. next 4 24 come down to la you will see the end of the world with the posers.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

SO cool thread guys.