Crew '99.9% sure' they've found Noah's Ark - Real or Hoax?

[AZhitman]

I think religion is just a huge hoax. They place all of these documents in certain places, take pictures, and be like OH OH THE BIBLE SAID IT WAS HERE AND LOOK IT IS HERE! I TOOK PICTURES! HURR DURR

Thanks for sharing that intellectually stimulating and well-thought out position.

Your drool cup needs emptying.

Let's get back on topic, there's certain folks who aren't equipped to participate in an intellectual discourse on such topics, so... back to the archaeological issue at hand.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

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Then again, look who brought religion INTO this (cynics). Certainly not the archaeologists. They're just saying they found Old Dude's boat.
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No...crazy Chinese Baptists brought religion into this. Which makes it hard to look at this than anything but a tabloid article. Does promote interesting discussion though

[krash]

Noah's Ark:

[IBCoupe]

So, in one of my classes last week, a classmate and I were marveling at how few Jews there were. Being that it's law school, the stereotype is that it's full of Jews, right? Well, there's like four of us in an evening division of fifty students.

And as we are going over the list of established Jews, I hear a voice from behind me: "You know who else is a Jew? Jesus." Note, she said "is," and not "was."

If I had seen that on here, it would have been a joke. If it had come from any of my friends, it would have been a joke. But this girl was deadpan. And then she goes, "Born again, right here!" I did one of those awkward laughs, said, "And he's with all of us," and fortunately, class began.

That's what this thread reminded me of this morning.

[audtatious]

If you think your religion needs to be validated....you aren't truly involved in a Faith. On the other side of the coin, if you are trying to disprove the lunacy of religion...you are only verifying your own reluctance to submit to a greater Power.

I would have thought the environmental left would embrace the story of Noah as he gave away everything in the quest to save the animals and Mother Earth.....maybe it's because he cut down trees to do it

So I guess ignorance is the base and antitheses of Faith.

So I Guess some can say the same thing at your faith against something not existing.

[TroubleBound]

Looks like they found an old ship. But even if they did, is it necessarily Noah's Ark just because it was found in Turkey? Or is it the carbon dating? I wasn't around back then but i bet there was more than one ship in the world.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

I would have thought the environmental left would embrace the story of Noah as he gave away everything in the quest to save the animals and Mother Earth.....maybe it's because he cut down trees to do it


Irrelevant comment is irrelevant.


So I Guess some can say the same thing at your faith against something not existing.

Don't you mean FOR something not existing?

[audtatious]

yup

[Dattebayo]

Thanks for sharing that intellectually stimulating and well-thought out position.

Your drool cup needs emptying.

Yeah sure, Greg... Like anyone has a real grasp of whatever the hell religion is anyway...

It IS a hoax as far as I'm concerned. For example, so much of the bible was actually chosen by certain people of importance that it's not an issue of faith anymore, it's more of a conspiracy toward a certain aim. I don't know what that is, but I can sure tell you that the bible is a bunch of crap.

[audtatious]

What important people chose what parts are in the bible?

[slidestyle69]

best best for everybody to do when it comes to religon is to "DONT LEARN TO MUCH'

[IBCoupe]

What important people chose what parts are in the bible?

These guys.

The argument being that everything becomes suspect when you put your faith up to a vote.

[audtatious]

You mean the counsil of Bishops? Per your link:

"The Church was willing to accept the help of an emperor, to listen to what he had to say, but not to accept the rule of an emperor in matters of faith. However one describes the role of Constantine at the Council of Nicea, it must be remembered that the Creed of Nicea expressed what the great majority of bishops at the council found to be traditional, Biblical, and orthodox of the Christian faith, a faith in which they believed so firmly that they were willing to die for it. "

"so much of the bible was actually chosen by certain people of importance that it's not an issue of faith anymore, it's more of a conspiracy toward a certain aim." does not compute.

[Xdisaster240sX]

I like the devil

[Rev_D21]

'And God Spoke', the only movie with a scene about the Ark worth seeing.

[IBCoupe]

You mean the counsil of Bishops? Per your link:

"The Church was willing to accept the help of an emperor, to listen to what he had to say, but not to accept the rule of an emperor in matters of faith. However one describes the role of Constantine at the Council of Nicea, it must be remembered that the Creed of Nicea expressed what the great majority of bishops at the council found to be traditional, Biblical, and orthodox of the Christian faith, a faith in which they believed so firmly that they were willing to die for it. "

"so much of the bible was actually chosen by certain people of importance that it's not an issue of faith anymore, it's more of a conspiracy toward a certain aim." does not compute.

The point of the Council of Nicea was to gather all of the various sects of Christianity and vote on which parts would be canon. You say the "council of Bishops" like it's something resembling what it is today. It wasn't. It was a grab-bag of vaguely Christian ideologies, each with often conflicting opinions. Up for debate was everything from Jesus' divinity to the date of Easter, all 300 years after Jesus' death.

Kinda like the Talmud is for Jews, only more dogmatic.

[AZhitman]

I like the devil

....and even she won't give you the time of day.

[AZhitman]

Yeah sure, Greg... Like anyone has a real grasp of whatever the hell religion is anyway...

It IS a hoax as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know what that is, but I can sure tell you that the bible is a bunch of crap.

Incongruent statements are incongruent.

If no one has a grasp, and you're someone, then logic dictates that you don't have a grasp, therefore you can't say whether something's crap or not.

Makes me wonder why you (or anyone else) cares?

[audtatious]

The point of the Council of Nicea was to gather all of the various sects of Christianity and vote on which parts would be canon. You say the "council of Bishops" like it's something resembling what it is today. It wasn't. It was a grab-bag of vaguely Christian ideologies, each with often conflicting opinions. Up for debate was everything from Jesus' divinity to the date of Easter, all 300 years after Jesus' death.

Kinda like the Talmud is for Jews, only more dogmatic.

The way you stated things it sounded like some businessmen put it together for monetary purposes. Where's the proof that the information they were voting on was incorrect? Not knowing the actual date of a set occurrence does not mean the event didn't take place.

I'm not a religious person but feel the constant belittlement of those who believe in the bible is absolutely retarded. Sure, there are those who take it way overboard, just like there are those who take other things, like the environment and Mother Earth, way overboard. Doesn't mean that everyone who believes is a nut, stupid, and simply dismissible.

[AZhitman]

Folks don't believe in a Creator, but they believe in Global Warming.

For the record - I doubt very seriously they found Noah's ark.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Folks don't believe in a Creator, but they believe in Global Warming.

Why not? They are both man-made.

[AZhitman]

We get it. You're a cynic.

Meanwhile, you missed the irony.

[gammer_ghn]

honestly fu ck turkey Mt. Ararat is Armenia's. Genocide committing bastards that teach their nation to deny and arrest anyone who dares to speak of it happening. My mother nation should not be a land of nomads and turks who break off crosses and destroy my old churches and history!

[numbnuts240]

too much religion talk going on 'round hurr. had to lighten the topic.

[IBCoupe]

The point of the Council of Nicea was to gather all of the various sects of Christianity and vote on which parts would be canon. You say the "council of Bishops" like it's something resembling what it is today. It wasn't. It was a grab-bag of vaguely Christian ideologies, each with often conflicting opinions. Up for debate was everything from Jesus' divinity to the date of Easter, all 300 years after Jesus' death.

Kinda like the Talmud is for Jews, only more dogmatic.

The way you stated things it sounded like some businessmen put it together for monetary purposes. Where's the proof that the information they were voting on was incorrect? Not knowing the actual date of a set occurrence does not mean the event didn't take place.

I'm not a religious person but feel the constant belittlement of those who believe in the bible is absolutely retarded. Sure, there are those who take it way overboard, just like there are those who take other things, like the environment and Mother Earth, way overboard. Doesn't mean that everyone who believes is a nut, stupid, and simply dismissible.

I don't believe I did that, and I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. Just so we're clear, I wasn't the one you initially questioned - I just provided the link that they wouldn't or couldn't. But I think you may have missed the point of the criticism. It's not that there's an assertion that what was voted on what incorrect (though that's certainly a possibility), it's the basing of a religion on a majority vote, rather than an assertion of historical or divine source. When the Council of Nicea is talked about, there's no positive assertion being made (like, say, that Jesus wasn't divine). Instead, it just becomes skeptic-noms.

I'm typically happy to bring out the "belittlement" guns when necessary. Usually it's only when I'm faced with an evangelist who appears to be targeting me or other Jews. For normal people, I'm happy to live and let live. But for those rare ***holes, I have fun.

[The Siath]

I didn't take the time to look at the article.
I will make a singular comment and move on - IF what they found was a part of the Ship that Noah built, it would not have survived this many years in that harsh climate, AND it would have been found in the rubble at the BOTTOM of the mountain (little thing known as gravity, yeah it pulls everything down the mountain.) As such in the movement downwards most things are destroyed, wood by it's nature rots, so in a wet cold environment it would have rotted (yes even with pitch on it). That's the scientific view of the "We've found Noah's Ark"....

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[AZhitman]

honestly fu ck turkey Mt. Ararat is Armenia's. Genocide committing bastards that teach their nation to deny and arrest anyone who dares to speak of it happening. My mother nation should not be a land of nomads and turks who break off crosses and destroy my old churches and history!

Amen, brother. I'm still waiting for the campaign promises regarding recognition of the genocide to be kept.

Tough talk in campaign time = same old bend over act after the election.

Sad that the heritage and language is all but decimated.

[audtatious]

I don't believe I did that, and I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. Just so we're clear, I wasn't the one you initially questioned - I just provided the link that they wouldn't or couldn't. But I think you may have missed the point of the criticism. It's not that there's an assertion that what was voted on what incorrect (though that's certainly a possibility), it's the basing of a religion on a majority vote, rather than an assertion of historical or divine source. When the Council of Nicea is talked about, there's no positive assertion being made (like, say, that Jesus wasn't divine). Instead, it just becomes skeptic-noms.

That could certainly be true. It could also be a misplaced assumption as well based on "historical accounts" of the council. I'd have to dig deep and not simply read one linked site that really links to nothing as proof of its information. I really don't care enough to do that

I'm typically happy to bring out the "belittlement" guns when necessary. Usually it's only when I'm faced with an evangelist who appears to be targeting me or other Jews. For normal people, I'm happy to live and let live. But for those rare ***holes, I have fun.

I get tired of the anti-religious beating on those who have any form of faith-based values just as much as I despise those of a religious moral high-road that try and cram stuff down my throat.

[IBCoupe]

Well, if it's corroboration you want, try The History Channel.

The Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical debate held by the early Christian church, concludes with the establishment of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

That the Council existed is not really a subject of much debate. That it worked out disagreements about the basic tenets of Christianity by majority vote is also not really a subject of much debate. That the people who lost the vote were kicked out of the Church for heresy isn't, either. Whether or not it matters is where skeptics and believers part ways.

Note that I'm not trying to beat on the believers... I'm just trying to bring light to a point that was hinted upon, doubted, and never really explained on this thread. And I don't have a problem with religious or otherwise faith-based beliefs. I do have a problem when an individual makes it their business to make it someone else's, too.

[Poyzinous]

Folks don't believe in a Creator, but they believe in Global Warming.

Why not? They are both man-made.

So is science.