Corvette Show in Prescott 2010

[Bubba1]

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Not even close.

Supra and Porsche owners take that cake, followed closely by lifted diesel truck owners. I've never met a MkIV owner that I liked, and don't get me started on the clowns in Boxsters...

The crowd we met this weekend was pretty cool.

+1 , I've met lotsa Vette owners. Friendly group of folks, especially at car shows or at racetracks.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Yeah in my experience corvette owners are *usually* the most uptight of car owners, followed very closely by rear-engined Porsche owners(914 excluded)

Not even close.

Supra and Porsche owners take that cake, followed closely by lifted diesel truck owners. I've never met a MkIV owner that I liked, and don't get me started on the clowns in Boxsters...

The crowd we met this weekend was pretty cool.

Funny, I've had nothing but good experiences with Porsche owners. Then again, it's always been track day owners, not car show owners. And Boxster owners have been the best of all. I guess if you're willing to buy a car that's freakin' fantastic but that everyone dogs, you've got to be an ok dude.

AZ, you bought a Corvette? Happy 50th birthday, man!

[tigersharkdude]

Ewwww.... C3s. The last couple of years of those were about as ugly as ugly can get. And not enough C2s!

My "least favorite" Corvettes: C4's.

And greg, if you ever need any kind of info. on aftermarket parts LMK. I know a pretty good amount about LS motors in vettes/f-body's.

[mmkeller]

On a recent vacation to the Black Hills, SD in July I saw an invasion of vetts. There was a rally in Spearfish and every where you looked....Vetts. With Sturgis looming in a couple of weeks there were plenty of bikes also. Here are a few pics when we were in the town of Keystone, just a few miles from Mt. Rushmore.

[Jesda]

I agree, Vette owners are typically great people.

I NEED THAT SANDWICH

[Empty V]

I agree, Vette owners are always phenomenal people, especially Empty V.

Thank you Jesda, that brought a tear to my eye.

[Jesda]

I agree, Vette owners are always phenomenal people, especially Empty V.

Thank you Jesda, that brought a tear to my eye.

Now you owe me a sandwich.

[AZhitman]

I guess if you're willing to buy a car that's freakin' fantastic but that everyone dogs, you've got to be an ok dude.

AZ, you bought a Corvette? Happy 50th birthday, man!

40th. And thanks.

I'm not sure what's "fantastic" about a Boxster (especially the 1st-gen), but to each their own. It's a gussied-up MR2 (yeah, Porsche got down with Toyota) with acceleration times on par with (and in some models, way slower than) a Civic Si or VW GTI.

Most of them I've seen have been driven by some middle-aged wanna-be Paul Tracy who swears it's the fastest thing on the road JUST because it's by far the fastest thing he's ever driven.

I LOL at them.

[Empty V]

Now you owe me a sandwich.

If you make it out to so-cal I will gladly treat you to a sammich, or maybe even a manwich!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I guess if you're willing to buy a car that's freakin' fantastic but that everyone dogs, you've got to be an ok dude.

AZ, you bought a Corvette? Happy 50th birthday, man!

40th. And thanks.

I'm not sure what's "fantastic" about a Boxster (especially the 1st-gen), but to each their own. It's a gussied-up MR2 (yeah, Porsche got down with Toyota) with acceleration times on par with (and in some models, way slower than) a Civic Si or VW GTI.

Most of them I've seen have been driven by some middle-aged wanna-be Paul Tracy who swears it's the fastest thing on the road JUST because it's by far the fastest thing he's ever driven.

I LOL at them.

I guess you're not down with the MR2? Great cars in every iteration (thought the MR-S could have used the 2ZZ or whatever). And what, you buy a Vette and all the sudden it's all about acceleration? The Boxster is NIMBLE, man! I remember when they first came out the S did R&T's slalom course faster than an Enzo!

But yeah, the non-enthusiast owners are on par with...well... non-enthusiast Vette owners, the hairy chested gold wearing bastards.

[leesredgt]

Nobody likes the Supra or MR2? lol

Ive owned/own both and im not a D-bag. At least i dont think i am.

[Jesda]

Boxster is a surgical knife.
Corvette is a hammer.

[AZhitman]

I guess you're not down with the MR2? Great cars in every iteration (thought the MR-S could have used the 2ZZ or whatever). And what, you buy a Vette and all the sudden it's all about acceleration? The Boxster is NIMBLE, man! I remember when they first came out the S did R&T's slalom course faster than an Enzo!

1st-gen supercharged MR2 was a blast to drive, almost dangerously sketchy (I drove one of the first one that came to AZ...Swapped ends on the test drive). 2nd-gen much more driver-friendly, and a gorgeous design.

Keep in mind, most Boxsters sold aren't the S (I can respect that car a bit more). The chumps I'm referring to are the 1st-gen driving 7.6-second 0-to-60 weenies who've never seen upside of .4 g's.

But yeah, the non-enthusiast owners are on par with...well... non-enthusiast Vette owners, the hairy chested gold wearing bastards.

Yep. We saw a few of those. Interestingly, they were scarce. Maybe it's an east coast thing.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Yep. We saw a few of those. Interestingly, they were scarce. Maybe it's an east coast thing.

I'm in a flyover state now, b****!

[AZhitman]

Boxster is a surgical knife.
Corvette is a hammer.

Just for fun, I compared the 2001 Boxster S to my car - same magazine testers, same issue, in fact:

Car and Driver Issue Aug-01
2001 Corvette Convertible 6MT
0-60 4.50 s.
1/4 mile 13.10 s.
70 mph cruising 76.00 dba
skidpad 0.90 / 0.92 g.
full throttle 84.00 dba
70-0 braking 162.00 ft.
idle 60.00 dba
top speed 162 / 158 mph
70 mph coasting 76.00 dba

Car and Driver Issue Aug-01
2001 Porsche Boxster S 6MT
0-60 5.30 s.
1/4 mile 13.90 s.
70 mph cruising 75.00 dba
skidpad 0.93 / 0.91 g.
full throttle 87.00 dba
70-0 braking 165.00 ft.
idle 48.00 dba
top speed 155 / 144 mph
70 mph coasting 75.00 dba

I'd call that a pair of pretty evenly matched cars. Using the non-S Boxster stats would have been embarrassing...that thing is a pig.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

So does that mean the C5 Corvette has acceleration on par with a Civic Si? :

Now if we're getting to pick our variants, compare the Boxster S to Empty V's 200hp beast... 0-60 in 7.9. Awesome!

I'm not sure we're really arguing over anything, though. I'd take a Boxster S over a C5/C6 droptop or base model, but certainly not the C5 FRC, z06, or C6 z06+.

but uhh... money no object the new Boxster Spyder give me massive wood. Well so does the ZR1... One of each, please!


And they both have a lot of really, really douchey owners.

[AZhitman]

So does that mean the C5 Corvette has acceleration on par with a Civic Si? :

Now if we're getting to pick our variants, compare the Boxster S to Empty V's 200hp beast... 0-60 in 7.9. Awesome!

I'm not sure we're really arguing over anything, though. I'd take a Boxster S over a C5/C6 droptop or base model, but certainly not the C5 FRC, z06, or C6 z06+.

but uhh... money no object the new Boxster Spyder give me massive wood.


And they both have a lot of really, really douchey owners.

Agreed on almost all counts. I'm just surprised Porsche ever decided to even BUILD the non-S variant... even more surprised that anyone bought it. Kinda makes me wonder WTH I'm gonna buy after the C5... For the money, it's damn near impossible to beat. Probably a used C6 Z06, altho I don't like the looks as much as the C5.

Interesting weight breakdown on the 3 C5's: Coupe - 3246, Convertible - 3248, Hardtop - 3173 I'd have thought there would be a bigger difference across models.

[Mr1der]

I've never met a MkIV owner that I liked

Seth's buddy that had one at Nopi years back was pretty damn cool.

but yeah, they're usually jackasses that think their dyno queen is the greatest car ever made.

not when Mustangs walk the earth damnit!

Haters gonna hate on that, but they're the most versatile car out of any damnit.

Shut up F body crowd, your doors are too heavy.

but I digress, where are the split windows!

[tigersharkdude]

mustang is teh gayz
F-body or bust bish

[Mr1der]

It's still a bloated pig that's getting the bowtie blown off it's face in 2011.

[Jesda]

I'd call that a pair of pretty evenly matched cars. Using the non-S Boxster stats would have been embarrassing...that thing is a pig.

Yeah, but if you put a Miata on paper up against both, the Miata would look like a Yaris by comparison. Yet, its one of the greatest cars ever made and among the best to own and drive for more subtle reasons, like control, feedback, and "grins" per mile.

The Boxster and Corvette deal with control and feedback in a very different way. Mid engine/rear engine, size, width, power... its apples to oranges even if both of them are sports cars.

The magazines like to compare the 911 and C6 quite frequently, but no one cross shops the two. Its just superfluous journalism.

[AZhitman]

Exactly. That's a debate that will last for ages.

And, truth be told, they're BOTH fun as hell to drive, but for different reasons.

Fortunate is the man who gets to enjoy both.

p.s. James, as much as I respect Ford over GM, I dove a 2011 GT recently. Not much has changed since 1988. Fast and sloppy.

[Mr1der]

Miatas are garbage.

the idiots didn't engineer them for 6'4" cousin of sasquatch drivers.

[DrifterXRPS13]

i like the mr-s...it's fun little car to drive and i prefer it over the miata...oh and ls power rules.

[tigersharkdude]

It's still a bloated pig that's getting the bowtie blown off it's face in 2011.

proof that the SS has a faster 1/4 time than the new 5.0, in a real world setting. Can be provided

EDIT:
ok, so the 5.0 has a stock 1/4 time of 12.73 http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-T ... 21072.html and the SS Camaro 12.61 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpve1Enha8

[Empty V]

Now if we're getting to pick our variants, compare the Boxster S to Empty V's 200hp beast... 0-60 in 7.9. Awesome!

You're really that retarded?

EDIT: I just noticed that you're a 23 year old WRX driver so we're dealing with someone who obviously looks at numbers opposed to history and style. Put a '68 or '69 with the ZL1 or any Vette with an LT-1 up against any of your amazing cars.

[AZhitman]

No need to sweat acceleration numbers on old Vettes... At the time, there weren't many cars that WERE fast.

Style, history and heritage are the name of THAT game.

[Empty V]

No need to sweat acceleration numbers on old Vettes... At the time, there weren't many cars that WERE fast.

Style, history and heritage are the name of THAT game.

It's definitely it's own world. Like you've stated it's mostly populated by older drives and chances are hardly any of them will ever see the track. They're not about that at all. I thought about putting headers on mine and going crazy but right now everything is OEM/stock so why ruin a classic? I'm never going to take it tot the track. I'd rather take a cruise through Decker Canyon (13mile canyon run down to Malibu) every few weekends with the t-tops off and just enjoy the sound, feel, smell and turning heads. It's also pretty awesome driving around and getting waves from other Vette owners. You for sure feel a sense of nostalgia and community when that happens.

EDIT: Sorry for being harsh Charlieo, I was overly defensive. It must have been all of the wallballs and 53# KB swings from yesterday.

[AZhitman]

No need to sweat acceleration numbers on old Vettes... At the time, there weren't many cars that WERE fast.

Style, history and heritage are the name of THAT game.

It's definitely it's own world. Like you've stated it's mostly populated by older drives and chances are hardly any of them will ever see the track. They're not about that at all. I thought about putting headers on mine and going crazy but right now everything is OEM/stock so why ruin a classic? I'm never going to take it tot the track. I'd rather take a cruise through Decker Canyon (13mile canyon run down to Malibu) every few weekends with the t-tops off and just enjoy the sound, feel, smell and turning heads. It's also pretty awesome driving around and getting waves from other Vette owners. You for sure feel a sense of nostalgia and community when that happens.

Kinda like when I drive one of our old Datsuns.

BTW, don't ever apologize to Charlieo. That's just asking to be shredded.

[Mr1der]

on the plus side, for less than a grand on the old Vettes, you can remedy that pesky acceleration problem