Console Wars

[C-Kwik]

PS3 Hands down. They are a 50gb disc. Let do the math! grand theft auto...X-box 360 is a basic 7gb disc & the ps3 is a 50gb disc! Thats 43gb more to do levels, graphics & content! everyone's like HALO3 (sucks) who cares I played the beta at my friends house! All they added was a big machine gun & a 4wheeler. oooooooo! whats coming out for the 360 after halo3 to make someone wanna buy it........NOTHING! Come on PS3 & here's why:O.....and japanese games are not regional coated!!!

Metal gear solid 4Soul caliber 4God of war 3GT 5Call of duty 4MOH: airborneTime/shiftWangan midnight (JPN)TurokHalf-life 2LairWarhawk......ect

That's only till decemeber! HD is a dying tech. Watch give it one year!

Games will have much more influence in the console war than any other factor. Currently, the 360 has more and more exclusives coming.

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7252.

HD-DVD has far from lost. HD-DVD stand alone players are still outselling BR Stand-alone players last I saw. So essentially, HD-DVD is able to compete simply for it's own merits rather than a reliance on a gaming system to increase or hold-up it's sales. Frankly though, both camps have a ton of ground to make up to even compete with SD-DVD's.

[2ndlife]

Xbox 360 is rumored to drop $50 across all consoles on August 8th. That should make the choice between the consoles a bit easier.

Target stores will be selling BD disk players and discs only in a few months. Looks like another big chain has decided to take on the BD side.

[C-Kwik]

Target stores will be selling BD disk players and discs only in a few months. Looks like another big chain has decided to take on the BD side.

Appears to have been debunked...

http://gear.ign.com/articles/808/808350p1.html

[Morph]

With a user base with that kind of grammar, I'll be sticking with the 360 and Wii.

And a console with a 30% + failure rate....Sticking with the ps3 and my neighbors wii
Modified by Morph at 8:43 PM 7/26/2007

[redtop91]

And a console with a 30% + failure rate....Sticking with the ps3 and my neighbors wii

Mix that in with only 30% of the PS3's games being worth $10 much less $60 and you've got a winnar!

[Morph]

Mix that in with only 30% of the PS3's games being worth $10 much less $60 and you've got a winnar!

Well at least it can play those 30%. LOL need i remind you system has been out for 8 months, and the 360's launch and games release there after were poop as well.

And the only must have game 1 year after the system's launch was killswitch....uh i mean Gears.
Modified by Morph at 8:55 PM 7/26/2007

[redtop91]

Actually you are incorrect sir. The 360's launch lineup was substantially better than the PS3's. You can reference the average scores of the 360 launch lineup against the PS3's on any major game review site. I use that Gundam game on the PS3 as an example. An absolute turd. The only must have game on the PS3 is Resistance and honestly. It's pretty generic and boring to me. Meanwhile I play several 9.3 + games such as GRAW 1 & 2, Rainbow Six Las Vegas, Forza Motorsport 2, Guitar Hero II, not to mention the Xbox Live arcade with numerous old school games libraries. I always LOL when people try to use game library strength in PS3's defense against 360. Hilarity.

[Morph]

Actually you are incorrect sir. The 360's launch lineup was substantially better than the PS3's. You can reference the average scores of the 360 launch lineup against the PS3's on any major game review site. I use that Gundam game on the PS3 as an example. An absolute turd. The only must have game on the PS3 is Resistance and honestly. It's pretty generic and boring to me. Meanwhile I play several 9.3 + games such as GRAW 1 & 2, Rainbow Six Las Vegas, Forza Motorsport 2, Guitar Hero II, not to mention the Xbox Live arcade with numerous old school games libraries. I always LOL when people try to use game library strength in PS3's defense against 360. Hilarity.

Gundam was crap not saying it was good. You brought up the topic of games and then you laugh when I point and say that the 360's launch was just as bad. COD2 Fight night and maybe gotham ( if i was drunk ) would be the only games I would get for it. And all of the formentioned games came out what a year later....

[redtop91]

So what good games came out on the PS3 at launch. Technically Resistance wasn't even a launch title. So please. Prove me wrong.

[C-Kwik]

2 questions. Morph, I know you had your share of problems with the 360 hardware, but what statistical analysis can you back a 30% failure rate with? I do expect the 360 to have a higher failure rate than most consumer electronic devices out there, but I can't find anything that substantiates such a number. It's speculative at best, but no real data to support it.

As far as games, who really cares about launch? Both are past that point. What matters is what is available now and what will be available in the future. Unless of course you bought all the games for your respective system that you ever will.

[otterman]

Mix that in with only 30% of the PS3's games being worth $10 much less $60 and you've got a winnar!

Then add the fact that 80% of Redtops posts are speculation, opinion and/or fanboyness and you've got a reason to kill yourself!

[redtop91]

[Morph]

So what good games came out on the PS3 at launch. Technically Resistance wasn't even a launch title. So please. Prove me wrong.

Never said it was any better. But everone awalys talks **** about the ps3 launch and forget that their 360's launch was just as bad.

2 questions. Morph, I know you had your share of problems with the 360 hardware, but what statistical analysis can you back a 30% failure rate with?

I get bored at work...very bored. http://www.pcworld.com/article....html

What was the 2nd question?

[C-Kwik]

Some statistical source. Some stores will have more returns. Some will have much less, perhaps 0. This is how averages work. Statistical analysis would be better conducted having confirmed numbers from a large sample. It's possible, especially if the media is sampling, that they could call store after store after store looking for the responses that will allow them to post such an article. While I am not saying it's impossible, it just doesn't seem likely. In any case, I'd reserve such information as speculation until some more reliable numbers can be obtained.

As for the second questions...

As far as games, who really cares about launch?

[sr20fan]

the heavenly sword demo just hit the psn and wow. very very short, but awesome. that game will definately kick some ***.

neither the consoles or the games are region coded. its basically just the language thats different on the different ones.

my friend that has a 360 and said that he would never get a ps3 just got one. im really glad though, as i would like to play resistance with a friend. whoever said that game was lame must be confused j/kresistance is going to be a trilogy or so ive heard, so they should only get better.

is the rumored price drop for the 360 for the elite also, or just the 360? i would like to know, cause if it got cheap enough, i would like to buy one just for gears and halo.

[Morph]

Ya not a proven fact, and it probally never will be. It seems though with everthing that has happened MS sure didnt just blow 1 billion on customer satifacation.

And with the 2nd Q i agree launch games usually awalys blow. Doesnt mean much at all, launch games just hold your attention long enough for them to get the good **** out.

[sr20fan]

Ya not a proven fact, and it probally never will be. It seems though with everthing that has happened MS sure didnt just blow 1 billion on customer satifacation.

And with the 2nd Q i agree launch games usually awalys blow. Doesnt mean much at all, launch games just hold your attention long enough for them to get the good **** out.

+1 i couldnt have said it better myself

[R240sx]

Some statistical source. Some stores will have more returns. Some will have much less, perhaps 0. This is how averages work. Statistical analysis would be better conducted having confirmed numbers from a large sample. It's possible, especially if the media is sampling, that they could call store after store after store looking for the responses that will allow them to post such an article. While I am not saying it's impossible, it just doesn't seem likely. In any case, I'd reserve such information as speculation until some more reliable numbers can be obtained.

As for the second questions...

Not sure, but if your refuting the 30% number.. well microsoft themselves admit that there is a design flaw on the 360 which means they ALL have the potential to be defective. and by defective i mean the 3 rod is a design issue, thats what happens when you try to beat the competition by a year and dont do proper product testing!

http://www.fastsilicon.com/lat...id=60

[C-Kwik]

Ya not a proven fact, and it probally never will be. It seems though with everthing that has happened MS sure didnt just blow 1 billion on customer satifacation.

If one thing really hurts them, it's the hardware issue. But I think MS has stepped up to the challenge there and met it head on here. How many other gaming systems, let along consumer electronics devices do you get 3 years warranty on? It was indeed an expensive lesson...

[C-Kwik]

Not sure, but if your refuting the 30% number.. well microsoft themselves admit that there is a design flaw on the 360 which means they ALL have the potential to be defective. and by defective i mean the 3 rod is a design issue, thats what happens when you try to beat the competition by a year and dont do proper product testing!

I certainly don't refute the fact that every 360 has the potential to run into the RROD problem. I don't believe that all will fail though. Perhaps over a longer period of time, the consoles with this particular design may see a larger percentage, but I haven't seen any credible data that would reflect a 30% failure rate right now. Though, people are jumping on the bandwagon as soon as they see a number posted in the media. I swear it's worse than politics.

As for proper testing, I just addressed the issue in a gaming forum, but I'll state it again here. MS was ahead of Sony based on their design goals. While Sony did have a good deal of the design finished, they needed to finalize Blu-Ray as they wanted to include it in the system. Remember, the PS3 was delayed from their original launch date. Whether it was the right decision will be determined in the end. However, MS had their design ready and their certainly not going to say, lets wait a year so Sony can release their product and test it in the meantime. Yes, a poor decision was made in the design, but you should ask yourself, if they had taken longer to design the system, would they still have designed it the same way? Do you think their testing and quality control would have changed any? Don't assume the design flaw to be the result of rushing to get out into the market. I'd be more inclined to believe it was a way to try and cut manufacturing costs slightly which ended up being a costly lesson.

[Zee]

Ok this is coming from an Xbox fanboy: The Xbox did have a 30% failure rate as reported by Yahoo some time ago.

Now have you guys heard that the HD-DVD player for the 360 is dropping $20 and also they are giving away 5 HD movies with it. That is so awesome thats just say that the console war might be over before it really started due to that move by Microsoft.

[R240sx]

I certainly don't refute the fact that every 360 has the potential to run into the RROD problem. I don't believe that all will fail though. Perhaps over a longer period of time, the consoles with this particular design may see a larger percentage, but I haven't seen any credible data that would reflect a 30% failure rate right now. Though, people are jumping on the bandwagon as soon as they see a number posted in the media. I swear it's worse than politics.

As for proper testing, I just addressed the issue in a gaming forum, but I'll state it again here. MS was ahead of Sony based on their design goals. While Sony did have a good deal of the design finished, they needed to finalize Blu-Ray as they wanted to include it in the system. Remember, the PS3 was delayed from their original launch date. Whether it was the right decision will be determined in the end. However, MS had their design ready and their certainly not going to say, lets wait a year so Sony can release their product and test it in the meantime. Yes, a poor decision was made in the design, but you should ask yourself, if they had taken longer to design the system, would they still have designed it the same way? Do you think their testing and quality control would have changed any? Don't assume the design flaw to be the result of rushing to get out into the market. I'd be more inclined to believe it was a way to try and cut manufacturing costs slightly which ended up being a costly lesson.

Well peter moore himself says that the failure rate is too high which is why they did the 1.05 billion dollars on a 3 year warranty, that money was put in as a place holder, so that all future warrenty repairs would dip from this money they set aside. now for them to think that they are going to have to actually spend 1.05 billion in warrenty related expenses should say what there volume expectency is.

Now already they have introduced a fix, if im not mistaken they are not putting in addictional heat sink on all units that are sent to be repaired, and they are also in the works of producing a 65nm version code name the falcon, which should hopefully make it cheaper and lower its failure rate.

btw you can read peter moore saying it himself here

http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...-xbox/

you can see him getting made towards the end of the interview!

[C-Kwik]

Ok this is coming from an Xbox fanboy: The Xbox did have a 30% failure rate as reported by Yahoo some time ago.

Now have you guys heard that the HD-DVD player for the 360 is dropping $20 and also they are giving away 5 HD movies with it. That is so awesome thats just say that the console war might be over before it really started due to that move by Microsoft.

As I stated several posts ago already, none of the media can cite a source that has sampled a large random base of consumers. Particularly one you can hold credible as I can call several stores and get a bunch that don't have as many failure rates and simply report the failure rate is lower than 30%. The Media has put this number into the public and it has spread like a disease, but with no real merit. Is it higher than consumers would think is reasonable? Or higher than MS would like? Higher than most consumer goods. Absolutely. Noone denies that. But without a credible number, it isn't fair to throw around such a number as fact...

The HD-DVD price drop and the 5 free movies is inline with other HD-DVD players now. I don't think it'll be significant though as the 360 add-on is not a significant portion of the HD-DVD players out there. It should help, but I don't think it will be a deciding factor in the HD format war or the console war...

[C-Kwik]

I'm not refuting a high failure rate by any means. But everyone is throwing around 30% because everyone else does. And everyone else does, because the media said so without any credible numbers to base it on. I have no problem with reality. If it were indeed 30% or even higher, that's fine, but speculation is just that. Don't pass it off as fact otherwise you become no better than the media when they try to pass off speculation as fact...

The 65nm version was planned all along. By both Sony and MS, due to it's cheaper cost, lower power consumption and lower heat. It isn't the result of the hardware issues...

[bmike818]

I just got my 360 back from repairs, it took less than 2weeks. that's OK because they sent me a new system...and I bought my 360 March last year... free warranty-THANKS MICROSOFT so the failure rate should be no concern now

im back on Gears of War -mYkILL818 wassup!!??!!

[Zee]

I highly doubt it is new. I sent mine in and I got a refurbished one. That is probably what they did with yours too. They just take the old bad systems and fixed them with the required parts.

[Cameron]

360 ftw.. BIOSHOCK is sooooooo badass... Wii aint got nothin on it..

[Zee]

I have played the demo it is so badass. I can't wait till my copy comes in from Gamefly tomorrow.

[C-Kwik]

I highly doubt it is new. I sent mine in and I got a refurbished one. That is probably what they did with yours too. They just take the old bad systems and fixed them with the required parts.

I speculate most are repaired, but on a case by case basis, they may just ship a new one. Could depend on if it is easily repairable.

[Zee]

I speculate most are repaired, but on a case by case basis, they may just ship a new one. Could depend on if it is easily repairable.

That is not what I meant per say. What I meant was that they fix a 360 that they already had and just switch it out with the one that you have. Then they take yours and fix yours and give it to someone else. You get what I am trying to say?