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Currently in the market for a cat back for my 08 3.5. Wanted the Borla but $1000 for just the cat is :bs: so I'm leaning towards the Stillen I just don't think it sounds as good as the Borla. Any other suggestions ? My main focus is sound right now. I considered going with one of those OBX ebay cats but I'm going to put on a y-pipe and eventually get an UpRev tune so I figured the Stillen or Borla would be a better choice. Also I know the Nismo for my car has been discontinued but I saw one for a 2.5, would it fit? The Nismo is probably my favorite out of them all honestly. Also wouldn't mind picking up a used one from someone on here if they had a Nismo for sale :dblthumb:


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The Borla pricing is BS which is why I didn't go that route. It does sound very good though. I have been meaning to check my stock midpipe to see if there is a resonator, but its in the attic wrapped up, and I don't feel like going through the trouble. If there is no resonator, the only gain in a cat-back would be to up the midpipe size for better flow, which any shop can do. Some shops won't cat delete for the y-pipe install though, the rule here is number of cats in must match number of cats out.

That said, I have no idea if the 2.5 nismo would fit or not. Supposedly the magnaflow system works for both, even though it is listed as 2.5. I went custom to save cash and get exactly what I wanted. Do some research and make an informed decision, maybe some other members will chime in with some more info.

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fyarf wrote:The Borla pricing is BS which is why I didn't go that route. It does sound very good though. I have been meaning to check my stock midpipe to see if there is a resonator, but its in the attic wrapped up, and I don't feel like going through the trouble. If there is no resonator, the only gain in a cat-back would be to up the midpipe size for better flow, which any shop can do. Some shops won't cat delete for the y-pipe install though, the rule here is number of cats in must match number of cats out.

That said, I have no idea if the 2.5 nismo would fit or not. Supposedly the magnaflow system works for both, even though it is listed as 2.5. I went custom to save cash and get exactly what I wanted. Do some research and make an informed decision, maybe some other members will chime in with some more info.
I was considering going the custom route as well but the shop I emailed hasn't responded. You're the 2nd person to tell me the custom route would be cheaper. How much did you end up paying for everything and what will I need if I did decide to go the custom route. Sounds like it might be the best route for me especially considering what I want. I'm FIENDING for something deeper and throaty which is why I wanted the Borla over the Stillen.

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fyarf wrote:The Borla pricing is BS which is why I didn't go that route. It does sound very good though. I have been meaning to check my stock midpipe to see if there is a resonator, but its in the attic wrapped up, and I don't feel like going through the trouble. If there is no resonator, the only gain in a cat-back would be to up the midpipe size for better flow, which any shop can do. Some shops won't cat delete for the y-pipe install though, the rule here is number of cats in must match number of cats out.

That said, I have no idea if the 2.5 nismo would fit or not. Supposedly the magnaflow system works for both, even though it is listed as 2.5. I went custom to save cash and get exactly what I wanted. Do some research and make an informed decision, maybe some other members will chime in with some more info.
I was considering going the custom route as well but the shop I emailed hasn't responded. You're the 2nd person to tell me the custom route would be cheaper. How much did you end up paying for everything and what will I need if I did decide to go the custom route. Sounds like it might be the best route for me especially considering what I want. I'm FIENDING for something deeper and throaty which is why I wanted the Borla over the Stillen.

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OneFlyFatGuy wrote:I was considering going the custom route as well but the shop I emailed hasn't responded. You're the 2nd person to tell me the custom route would be cheaper. How much did you end up paying for everything and what will I need if I did decide to go the custom route. Sounds like it might be the best route for me especially considering what I want. I'm FIENDING for something deeper and throaty which is why I wanted the Borla over the Stillen.
Parts, labor, fab, everything was around $600 for exhaust (catback) and then an extra $400 or so for y-pipe and y-pipe install. So around a grand to drive off, while the borla is $800 for axle back and you still have to pay for install unless you're handy and have a lift or good friends.

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fyarf wrote:
OneFlyFatGuy wrote:I was considering going the custom route as well but the shop I emailed hasn't responded. You're the 2nd person to tell me the custom route would be cheaper. How much did you end up paying for everything and what will I need if I did decide to go the custom route. Sounds like it might be the best route for me especially considering what I want. I'm FIENDING for something deeper and throaty which is why I wanted the Borla over the Stillen.
Parts, labor, fab, everything was around $600 for exhaust (catback) and then an extra $400 or so for y-pipe and y-pipe install. So around a grand to drive off, while the borla is $800 for axle back and you still have to pay for install unless you're handy and have a lift or good friends.
That definitely sounds like the better route. I also just stumbled upon the TopSpeed cat back and it doesn't sound that bad at all and has the option to come with burnt tips. Any chance you have any videos of your car ? I'd love to hear it.

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OneFlyFatGuy wrote:That definitely sounds like the better route. I also just stumbled upon the TopSpeed cat back and it doesn't sound that bad at all and has the option to come with burnt tips. Any chance you have any videos of your car ? I'd love to hear it.
I wish i did, but it would be cell phone potato quality, and I'd have to get a buddy to videotape it. My wife frowns upon excessive use of throttle, especially for something like a video. I'll try to get some this weekend. Also, I don't know how much it affects the exhaust note, but i have an Injen intake as well.

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I thought an exhaust is very specificc for a car.. how do i know tge magnaflow 5x8 oval is the right choice for my car?

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andremike wrote:I thought an exhaust is very specificc for a car.. how do i know tge magnaflow 5x8 oval is the right choice for my car?
The piping diameter is. As far as I could gather, muffler size is subjective. Bigger muffler=quieter exhaust. Piping diameter is what gives the engine backpressure to keep low RPM torque. Pipes too big, and you have no low RPM power, but great top end. Pipes too small create scavenging in the exhaust, generating low RPM power very well, but restricting high RPM performance.

The mufflers are packed with filler, so the diameter is what determines this tradeoff. I think factory from Nissan is 2.25 from the catback, as my 2.5" midpipe looks bigger than the y-pipe it's bolted to (looks like the exhaust guy flanged the midpipe down to fit). 3" and you can start to lose low RPM power on a naturally aspirated motor.

I've heard with turbocharged cars, bigger is better, as the turbo is forcing more air, which compensates for the low RPM lack of backpressure. Members on here have done 3" without any negative side effects if i recall correctly.

I chose the 5x8's because I wanted good sound without being obnoxiously loud. These do just that, and help keep the y-pipe civil. You could also use the magnaflow 4x6, or the prefabbed kit from magnaflow, which looks like tube mufflers. Another member posted video of his, and he has the injen intake, y-pipe, and the prefabbed magnaflow kit, and mine sounds very similar, but a little deeper and a little quieter. In the end, it's subjective. Your car, your choice on how you want it to sound. Loud and heard from two blocks while being raspy, quiet, refined, only noticeable under hard acceleration, a mix, whatever. A reputable shop can definitely help point you in the right direction.

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andremike wrote:I thought an exhaust is very specificc for a car.. how do i know tge magnaflow 5x8 oval is the right choice for my car?


Be like me and go the custom route! I went to my local shop (ACI Dynamix) and had them put together a custom straight pipe for me from the cat on back. They ended up making the custom straight pipe and a custom y-pipe for only $400, the only thing I had to do was go buy some new exhaust tips off of ebay because I didn't want to keep the stock ones. My car sounds like an Altima straight out of Hell now and I f*** love it. The tech that worked on my car told me it reminded him of a gtr minus the turbo spool :cool: . The only thing to remember is if you do go this route be sure to explain exactly what you're looking for before they start fabricating things. The last thing you want to do is pay for something that you feel is too loud or too quiet.

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andremike wrote:I thought an exhaust is very specificc for a car.. how do i know tge magnaflow 5x8 oval is the right choice for my car?


Be like me and go the custom route! I went to my local shop (ACI Dynamix) and had them put together a custom straight pipe for me from the cat on back. They ended up making the custom straight pipe and a custom y-pipe for only $400, the only thing I had to do was go buy some new exhaust tips off of ebay because I didn't want to keep the stock ones. My car sounds like an Altima straight out of Hell now and I f**king love it. The tech that worked on my car told me it reminded him of a gtr minus the turbo spool :cool: . The only thing to remember is if you do go this route be sure to explain exactly what you're looking for before they start fabricating things. The last thing you want to do is pay for something that you feel is too loud or too quiet.

That sounds awesome. Do you have a video of it? I'm looking into the custom route myself but really want a deeper sound more than raspy. My 3.5 is a daily and i drive allot so i don't want a ton of drone. What would you recommend me looking for as far as parts for a custom fab?

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Be like me and go the custom route! I went to my local shop (ACI Dynamix) and had them put together a custom straight pipe for me from the cat on back. They ended up making the custom straight pipe and a custom y-pipe for only $400, the only thing I had to do was go buy some new exhaust tips off of ebay because I didn't want to keep the stock ones. My car sounds like an Altima straight out of Hell now and I f**king love it. The tech that worked on my car told me it reminded him of a gtr minus the turbo spool :cool: . The only thing to remember is if you do go this route be sure to explain exactly what you're looking for before they start fabricating things. The last thing you want to do is pay for something that you feel is too loud or too quiet.[/quote]


That sounds awesome. Do you have a video of it? I'm looking into the custom route myself but really want a deeper sound more than raspy. My 3.5 is a daily and i drive allot so i don't want a ton of drone. What would you recommend me looking for as far as parts for a custom fab?[/quote]


I'll post a video tonight on youtube and put the link up on the forum. Sounds pretty f*****g nice video does it no justice. It's definitely the deep tone I was looking for however it can get a little raspy at times but I'm used to it now. The thing backfires (but no flames :mad: ) when shifting and revving and it makes my piece harder than Chinese trigonometry not gonna lie. I will forever drive with my windows down.

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I still have more questions about custom... so stock midpipe is 2.25, soundsnlike i would want 2.5" pipe from tge cat back. The stillen comes with a resonator, are we deleting the factory resonator? Or going with a magnaflow resonator? Then if i dont want it too loud go with the oval 5x8. If i go smaller like 4x6 it will get louder. If i go with the smaller round one it would be louder yet. Can anyone post pictures of their install. Will this give me any hp gains?

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I still have more questions about custom... so stock midpipe is 2.25, soundsnlike i would want 2.5" pipe from tge cat back. The stillen comes with a resonator, are we deleting the factory resonator? Or going with a magnaflow resonator? Then if i dont want it too loud go with the oval 5x8. If i go smaller like 4x6 it will get louder. If i go with the smaller round one it would be louder yet. Can anyone post pictures of their install. Will this give me any hp gains?

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If you are going custom, I do not think a resonator will be needed. I think stillen has one, but I don't think the stock coupe exhaust does from the get go. Stillen probably did theirs for sound purposes. If anyone has done a midpipe replacement recently, clarify please. But for custom, go y-pipe, straight pipe back to 2 mufflers of your choice and tips. The muffler size will dictate noise level, bigger muffler=quieter sound. Have fun!

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andremike wrote:I still have more questions about custom... so stock midpipe is 2.25, soundsnlike i would want 2.5" pipe from tge cat back. The stillen comes with a resonator, are we deleting the factory resonator? Or going with a magnaflow resonator? Then if i dont want it too loud go with the oval 5x8. If i go smaller like 4x6 it will get louder. If i go with the smaller round one it would be louder yet. Can anyone post pictures of their install. Will this give me any hp gains?
I'm not 100% sure how may inches the pipe is i think 2.5; I bought aftermarket burnt tips and their inlet is 2.5 with a 3in outlet. I have no resonator so it's pretty damn loud but I love it. Unfortunately I don't have any pics from the install. The shop was super busy working on two GTR projects that day and wasn't even going to get to my car for another 2 days but I begged and pleaded and he got it done the same day for me. Because I have the cvt I guess putting it on the dyno is super tricky so I decided not to pay for a before and after dyno test although theoretically speaking because I've increased airflow I did gain a few hp nothing too significant though.

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I dont want it to loud. Jyst a little liudet than ut us now. Maybe similar ti. A stillen.. So whats the largest magnaflow i can fit comfortably? 5x8 oval? 4x6 oval and how long. The y pipe sounds nice but as mentioned most shops wont do it, so i think ill pass.

I will look under the car again for the resonator.. i have a 2010 sr, and i thought the nissan Parts list showed a resonator.. i just dont know if i shiuld remove the resonator or put a new resonator like tge stillen setup. I thiught i read the stillen used 2.5" diameter components to increase perfirmance. I also dont want any drone...

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I found on Summit racing a SLP performance resonator. SLE- 310013919.. Has 2.5" inlet outlet. How would it be if i pai that in with my new 2.5" midpipe then my 5x8 magnaflow exhaust?

Which length of tge 5x8 are you guys using? Anyone use tge 4x9? We need a how to writeup on this

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If you're keeping the factory cat, I would say 2.5" straight piping for the midpipe then to a muffler size you like. No resonator to start. My 5x8 (shortest they offered, 16" I think) don't drone to my ears, are a little louder than stock, but still refined, and I love them. You might not need the 5x8s with the factory cat and no y-pipe. The only thing I would make sure of is you said you wanted it deeper. Ask your shop if muffler size can raise or lower tone. I don't know.

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So a 2.5" midpipe, which is slightly larger than stock 2.25". Then if i go with 5x8 Magnaflow use tte 2.5 or tge 2.25? I see oart number 14216 which has a length of 14". 2.5" pipe.

Or get the 2.25" muffler?

Seems like more tips are 2.25"... and what is the difference between a double wall and single wall tip?

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I went 2.25 inlet/outlet for tip selection. Single/double wall is as it sounds. 1 single piece of metal, or one with an inside diameter that is smaller than the outside diameter.
http://www.myg37.com/forums/attachments ... t-tips.jpg
That shows an illustration. Mine are angle cut, and bevel from the tip down into the inlet. Looks more refined and less ricey to me. These are the tips I used:
http://www.magnaflow.com/products?partNumber=35121
I had a pic of those installed on the forum somewhere, if you want to see them on the car.

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Ok thanks.. i only wish i had a better feel for what kind of muffler to use.

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Honestly, It's completely subjective. What might sound like heaven to me might sound horrid or timid to you, and vice versa. Its a big investment, but most shops will put it different mufflers for a very low fee if they did the original install.

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Assume i want to mimic the sound of tge stillen.. anyone know what size cans thiose are?

I mean the only reason i dont just buy the stillen, is vecause you guys say tge magnaflow is cheaper..

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If you want the Stillen setup, get it. You'll pay more, but if it's what you want get it. We are saying there are cheaper options that will get just as good if not a better sound available if you put in some legwork and do some research. I spent 2 weeks scouring this forum, another nissan car forum, and the basics of exhaust before deciding what to put on mine, and I absolutely love it. Exactly what i wanted, and probably one of a kind (cant say for sure, but it's a fairly safe bet). It's not the loudest, but it has a nice rumble to it and is refined at highway speeds. I also drew inspiration from a youtube video that had the 4x6 ovals, but I can't find it any more.

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fyarf wrote:If you want the Stillen setup, get it. You'll pay more, but if it's what you want get it. We are saying there are cheaper options that will get just as good if not a better sound available if you put in some legwork and do some research. I spent 2 weeks scouring this forum, another nissan car forum, and the basics of exhaust before deciding what to put on mine, and I absolutely love it. Exactly what i wanted, and probably one of a kind (cant say for sure, but it's a fairly safe bet). It's not the loudest, but it has a nice rumble to it and is refined at highway speeds. I also drew inspiration from a youtube video that had the 4x6 ovals, but I can't find it any more.

Agreed 110%! If the Stillen sound is what you're going for then just spend the money on the stillen. I did the same and researched stuff for weeks and actually sat down with the guys at the shop who did mine to explain exactly what i was looking for only because they no longer make the Nismo which is what i truly wanted :crazy:

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Ifi can save money i am all for that.. i just want to get it right the first time... tge magnaflow is probably a better exhaust anyway. Material and finish, custom tips .... i like it..

So then you all agree the best thing is a 2.5" diameter midpipe then split into a 5x8 oval 2.25" diameter and then the custom tip.

Can anyone post more pics of their install so the shop can mimic it? Maybe email then to me.

Now to find a shop...

Thanks

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andremike wrote:Ifi can save money i am all for that.. i just want to get it right the first time... tge magnaflow is probably a better exhaust anyway. Material and finish, custom tips .... i like it..

So then you all agree the best thing is a 2.5" diameter midpipe then split into a 5x8 oval 2.25" diameter and then the custom tip.

Can anyone post more pics of their install so the shop can mimic it? Maybe email then to me.

Now to find a shop...

Thanks
I believe my pipes are 2.5in and not 2.25. I'll try to take a few pics and post them tomorrow seeing as to how I'm at work now.

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http://imgur.com/a/1ulZa <--mufflers 5x8 ovals
http://imgur.com/U94yDny <--tips

There is no best, 5x8 might be too quiet for you, the prefabbed kit has 4 inch tubes, this is just what worked for me. The 4x6 ovals didn't sound as good in the video, a little too loud for a daily driver and my wife to ride in. Again, all personal.

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Thanks fyarf.. Its probably not to quiet.. Would you say its louder than stock? Is there any drone?

Looks like you used the offset 5x8 oval muffler.


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