CAR and DRIVER camparo

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

i was reading the new janruary issue of car and driver today and they had a shootout between the new Ford GT(gt4o), the Ferrari 36o Stradale, and the Porsche GT3. The prices were as follows: Ford GT: 15okFerrari: 193kPorsche: 12okNow the Ford did win all of the power and all out speed challenges, however the GT3 put out the best skidpad numbers and better handling, but the ferrari had the *fun to drive factor* won. Anyway, the Ford won overall, with the Ferrari in second and the Porsche bringing up the rear. The Ford was 2seconds faster than both others around the track, with the Porsche in 2nd and the Ferrari last by only 2tenths or so. However at the end of the comparo they insisted for it to be a match for the Ford they would have to put up cars such as the 4ook S7 and 67ok Enzo. I say this is BS because the new Porsche GT2 (477hp as oppopsed to the GT3's 38o) costs *only 192k, and is EASILY capable of competiting with the Ford and creaming the ferrari. Hell even the 8ok Dodge viper CONVERTIBLE pulls better skidpad numbers than the Ford and is within 2-3 tenths at the strip. So why would a reputible magazine like car and driver say that nothing less than an S7 would compete with the Ford? anyone else find this kinda wierd?

Post by **Onizuka** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Automobile had a comparison of the ford GT vs lambo Gallardo vs ferrari 360 moderna and the GT came out on top in performance and cost.

All had 6 speed trannies; the ford GT can hit 190 in 5th gear, the lambo 192 in 6th, the GT is ultimatly the fastest, heaviest, and most powerful.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

i didnt see that comparo, but either way, id be willing to bet that the Porsche GT2 would put down the Ford on the straights and throught the curves, and i would think the SRT1o viper would easily hold its own as well

Post by **SmithSR** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

They're hyping the newest toy on the block.

Post by **jEzTeR** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Its built to run a road course.The car is truly awesome.Heck all of them rock.

If I had to pick between any of those cars I would hope to have plenty of extra cash to get two or three because it would be too hard to choose.

I never pay much attention to most of what the mag's say.There are too many Opinions.Just get the real data that they have.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

props to Ford! I hope this incarnation can finish a damn LeMans race though...

Post by **jEzTeR** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Ford has been making great cars for a while. Too bad the good ones are 100K+.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Talking about Jags huh?

don't they have stake in Subaru as well? all I know is that GM reminds me off the Nazi octopus cartoon thing covering the world, only it's the car world...

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

i dont think ford has anything in subaru, its all GM. but the GT40 did finish Lemans, in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place the second year they raced. 66 i think.

Post by **Altiman94** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Lingenfelter Corvette vs. GT40

Post by **Cold_Zero** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

GM and Nissan own shares of Fuji Heavy Industries. Nissan's share is more of a banking/business network. GM is trying to setup a presence in Asia to peddle its products. Subaru with that partnership will be able to sell the Forrester under the GM banner in Latin/South America.

Rob,Is the GT2 a street legal street car or is it a dedicated race car?

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

the GT's are both street legal, Is the GT3 the N/A car though? I can't remember which is which...

ok, if I can remember prices right, the GT2 should be an 80 thousand dollar N/A car that puts down some killer perfomance from the litte flat 6. Somebody correct if I'm wrong.

I don't think the Ligenfelter will still hang with the GT in curves, probably kill it in accelleration though...

Post by **Bubba1** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Altiman94 wrote:Lingenfelter Corvette vs. GT40

A heavily modded car vs a stock car is not a fair comparison. You'd have to let a tuner work on the GT40 as much as Lingenfelter did with the Vette to make it a fair comparison.

I think the Ford GT did pretty well, but this was also comparing a a top of the line Ford to a lower end Ferrari and mid range Porsche. i think C&D was absolutely correct making that clear. If you compared top of the line of those marques, the Ford wouldn't fare as well, but it's still a helluva bang for the buck as far as exotics go.

Post by **Onizuka** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

I just saw a comparison of the GT vs the dodge viper and they are almost exactly the same in the performence department, only the viper is over $50,000 cheaper. The viper had a edge in braking, the GT was slightly faster in the slolem (by like 1 mph).

The ford GT is still a good bang for the buck, but i concider it more of a nostalgia peice than a raw power performance car like the viper or corvette. This seems to be the trend with many cars Ford has produced lately. The new "old" mustang, thunderbird, and GT all use the reputation established by the origional models from 35+ years ago simply by looking like them. If there had not been a 50's ford thunder bird and ford came out with the thunderbird they produced just recently, it would have flopped (even worse

) because there is no real performance or practicality to it. The 2002 thunderbird is just a overpriced, overweight, auto-only mustang with odd styling in my opinion. Luckily the GT has some good numbers to back it up.

Website · Post by **TurboKA37** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

i thought the GT2 they tested was $98k? the complaints they had against the GT2 was that it's seats weren't supportive enough and the tail end came out pretty easy. id definatley take to porsche over the other two (factoring in the price). a pair of $600 recaros is nothing on a $100k car, and who on these boards doesnt like a drifter?

Post by **Altiman94** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

I'd take a lingenfelter over all those cars. No love for the c5's?

Website · Post by **TurboKA37** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Post by **hannibal** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

GT3 is N/A with a 8200rpm redline! The GT2 is the bad a$$ turbo model. More boost, ceramic brakes, 190+mphC/D said they use the same block. Both are RWD with same suspension. C/D also said the GT3 was as fast as the standard turbo model in the 1/4.For $100K I'd take a GT3!

What about a lingenfelter powered Mosler Photon?? (i know, not a production car...)

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

sonuds like yall have al the specs figured out. The GT3 is n/a with 38ohp, the GT2 has 477hp and RWD and runs like 11.5s or so in the 1/4 and as for handling, well its a porsche, and yes its STREET LEGAL, and i agree the lingenfelter vs Ford wouldnt be fair as the lingengelter isnt stock

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

I'd go with the Ferrari before I would the Ligenfelter, though in a perfect world I'd have each in about three colors:D

I think the comparision isn't so much top of the line and what not as it is just what's available in the price range. I think I need to thoroughly test all the above mentioned cars to decide which I need to get when I own you all...YOU WILL BE MY SLAVES!!! MWHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!

Post by **JustinStrife** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

I'm curious to know the price of the lingengelter corvette versus the GT mustang. Anybody got any numbers?

Cause a C5 Vette is like 50k and the Zo6 is 60k... So how much is the lingengelter?

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

I think they run a little over 100k for the full tilt boogie car.

Post by **JustinStrife** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

So then the prices would be the same between the vette and the Ford. Gotta put it in perspective guys.

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

price wise yes, but not upgrades. the lingenfelter is like 1000hp, with lots of suspension and other mods.

Post by **JustinStrife** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

I remember reading old magazines by Car and Driver comparing alot of high end exotic sports cars. The low end was Camaro SS and Mustang Cobras all the way up to Ferrari's and lamborghinis.

In the end, I still preferred the lower end vehicles over the higher end. Alot less worries maintainance and theft wise I think. Exotics you get too worried about driving down the road or someone might hit ya... Not to mention the door dings in parking lots.

Post by **Onizuka** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

Yeah, it would kind of suck to have to spend $10,000 on a replacement bumper for a miner fender-bender.

Post by **JustinStrife** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

My point exactly.

It's really nothing more then a novelty I think.

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

its a pen15 car. all these men who got rich and know nothing about cars cept the name go out and buy these high dollar supercars. then they drive them like they think they know what they're doing.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

yeah, I want one too Seth:D

Post by **Onizuka** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:10 pm

JustinStrife wrote:My point exactly.

It's really nothing more then a novelty I think.

there are exceptions i think, unless you concider the porche carerra GT's full carbon fiber body a novelty

the Ford GT has an aluminum body and to make the illusion that its light weight they call it a "space frame" and hope people ignore the 3500 lbs dry weight. If the 2004 lotus elise can weigh under 1900 lbs with an aluminum body, remain incredibly stiff and pass all the current safety requirment it makes me wonder why the GT is such a heafty car for its small size. Saying it has things like A/C and a sterio doesnt make a difference, because the elise comes with both as standerd equipment and still stays under 1900 lbs.

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