ca + ae86

[gtrperformance]

Got a PIC of the 2JZ but I just gotta find it. Good for drag but horrible for drifting. Drag is no fun. All car and NO driver.

[dark_munchkin]

Got a PIC of the 2JZ but I just gotta find it. Good for drag but horrible for drifting. Drag is no fun. All car and NO driver.

It still takes skill to drag, especially if you are still using a manual trans. It's just a different kind of skill.

[Chinamandrift]

well then in that case it takes skill to drive straight but it takes more skill to drive sidewayz...oh and grip/autox too haha......anywayz lets not get off track ......this post is CA+ ae86 ........

anyone heard of rb20 mounts workin to drop the ca18 in the ae86 ?

[tyrannix]

hit up google, look for 'ae86slut'

he is on one of the aussie boards, i hink i posted a link to his build on this thread somewhere

he used rb20 rubber mounts, but said he bought a crossmember already modded for a CA.

that said, its also very close and doesnt need much work to get it to fit. i got an extra front subframe from a junkyard car to mod for my project.

my project, which is also in danger right now. i may end up selling my ae86 and work truck so i have a cheaper/easier time moving to the new house( 2-3 day trip)

if i decide to get rid of it, i will either get another one later on, or an aw11 (and a CAW11 isnt out of the question i havnt researched it yet, as im still not even sure if im going to sell my corolla... theres some factors in the decision that havnt come into play yet :\ ) but theres just too much going on right now for me to have 2 project cars (the cressida is my daily for now,just need to get a 5 speed in there and ill be happy for awhile)

so yeah /tangent

find ae86slut, he has more info.theres also 2 guys on cub4ag that have done a CAE86, youll have to search old posts to find them and hope their eails are still the same tho

CJ

[gtrperformance]

I already tried and their emails aren't the same. I did find a shop in Austrailia that did a swap thats posted on the forum. I'm weary of doing business that far away from home though.

Trannix, water pumps going out in a few. I'm on the flight line all week this week. Post office is closed by the time I get off and you know what time we go in! Nothing like gettin up at 5am to run 6 miles in 17 degree weather! Hooah?!

[gtrperformance]

hahaha + 3 yeah thats not an ae86 .......

who else is doing this swap ?? .....anyone else have info on this ?? ?.....im doing the swap right now ....finally recieved my CA18+ae86 mounts from anthony kallem in australia ......

so far i mated up the rb20 transmission with the CA18 bell housing .......i really want to drop the motor in already but the motor isnt done

i still need a clutch, fly wheel bolts, metal head gasket , ARP head bolts, all gaskets and seals.......

i checked the motor seems like it will work alright but .....results from the compression test ....i wasnt happy ......rings all 4 of the cylinders leaked a lil ... .......it could also be that i checked it when the engine is cold .....there no other way for me to check it .......but it isnt too bad tho .....still with in spec ....just lower then normal spec

im thinkin of building it from the ground up .........fully build the block and head .......either with jun or tomie parts

i have a long way to go .......haha any suggestion guys ?....also i live here i the US ...so parts are very hard to find

How far have you gotten on the AE86? I'm having a few setbacks. I'm still trying to finish my S13. I'm pretty much done with it but I still have to buy little **** here and there that is really starting to piss me off. I wanna start on my AE86 SOOOOOOOO BAAAAAD! I'm definately going with the CA18DET. Basically, BUMP for updates!!!!!

[Chinamandrift]

ok motor is in the car

sits just like the 4age in it...clearances are a bit tight ......for a left hand drive us spec ae86...here some teasers



yeah the steering column didnt quite make it ....is with in less then 1mm of the stock dump pipe .....oil pan cleared the steering rack with in 1mm ....solid poly mounts should help ....i dont think i have a problem there ......i think i have a problem with the steering column ......a custom dump pipe is a must for US ae86's

heres my custom vented cover from AM performance in australia

here a picture of the custom screamer dump pipe from andrew at AMPerformance in australia. hes a very helpful mate. everything he makes is hand made to perfection. this dump pipe clears the steering column much much better.

the pictures i have is everything stock ...i will have pictures up soon ...with the HKS GT25-30 ....and new dump pipe .......im still deciding on the turbo manifold wether to go with the Boss Auto one or the Ebay one.....Boss Auto also make intake plenums that i might be considering also ......but it all cost an arm and a leg ..... oh and yes i did the $50 roller on rustoleum paint job ...and its came out great

[tyrannix]

boooo

cant see pics

what did you do about transmission, rb20 style? And where does your shifter sit (stockish location, or farther back?)

also, did you use custom brackets, modify the subframe, or what? (My plan was to just mod an extra subframe until stock CA stuff all fit ... it was humorous - the junkyard car igot the subframe from was left with the engine supported by a wheel and the transmission.)

CJ

edit> BTW, you or anyone have that green sensor that goes under the PS bracket? or a used water pump or pulley (for a 4AGE) i need the pump and pulley to figure out what pulley set i have. dont know what car the engine came from - transverse 4AGEs have different pullies than longitudinal ones, and my water pump pulley used to sit just a tad too far forward (like 1-2mm... about the width of 1 rib on a belt)

edit2> also, try making sleightly different sized motor mounts how Greg did it? (writeup in the s-body main forums)

[gtrperformance]

China, post your contacts in Aussie land. Those guys got their stuff together with the AE86. What mounts did you use? I'm getting some RB mounts soon. I'm gonna go with the RB transmission+CA bellhousing. Post the intake manifold source too and keep us posted. Nissan engine's rule and the AE86 rocks! Keep us posted.

Trannix, I'll check in the morning for the pump and pulley. We have a 4-day weekend this weekend so I'm off tommorrow.

[tyrannix]

thats cool

we only get monday off

[Chinamandrift]

ill try to get contacts for u all ......i have to dig them up ......dont go with the RB20 transmission.......go with the S12 transmission ......normally they come with ca18et, ca20e, or something like that correct me if im wrong guys. rumor has it The S12 transmission will allow the shifter to move to the stock position better then the rb20 transmission ....im going to the junk yard to dig one up to find out. so CA18det bell housing with S12 transmission is the best combo u can get as far as shifter positions. from what i been told it moves it 4-5 inches forward .....i tried the rb20 transmission it moved it only about 2-3

heres the link for some Ca stuff http://www.apboss.com/english/index.php

heres a pic of thier ex manifold

heres a pic of thier beautiful surge tank

here the email address i have fo AM [email protected] for andrew and let him know that u got the address from me (PETER)he makes screamers pipes and custom setups for most things. just email him a request on what u want to do.....he will see if he can do it ....if not hell help u get started .....he has the best customer service ive had compared to everyone else ive experienced
Modified by Chinamandrift at 4:21 AM 2/16/2007

[gtrperformance]

What about the mounts? What did you end up going with? I wanna use the RB mounts. They will work right? I'll try the S12 transmission too. Might be a little hard to find. I did email some aussie's that make conversion mounts for the CA into the AE86 and SR into the AE86. I'm still waiting for them to respond. They cost $400 for the mounts.

[ca18datsun510]

so CA18det bell housing with S12 transmission is the best combo u can get as far as shifter positions.

Modified by Chinamandrift at 4:21 AM 2/16/2007

s12 comes with ca series engine = already has ca bellhousing

[tyrannix]

thats what i was thinking too (US CA transmission = already has a CA bellhousing)

now heres a neat question: anyone who has both a CA18DET and a USDM CA RWD transmission:

whats the difference? are they interchangable? is the US one shorter? would a US one fit on a US KA transmission to fit an s13/s14? .......

and the end-all...

this will mean cheaper CA-Z trannys

CJ

[ca18datsun510]

the sohc ca trans used in the s12 is different then the s13 ca/ka/sr trans.

the s12 trans is short, the s13 is longer. not sure about internal differences or gear ratios. or spline count for driveshaft for that matter.

but it uses and interchangeable bellhousing. i was gonna use a s12 trans in my 510, but decided to just stick with the s13 trans, cause i had it, it was newer, and i convinced myself it was stronger (no real facts on the strength, but being a newer design, i stands in reason.)

[Chinamandrift]

i got the mounts from anthony kallem in austalia ....u can find him on the toymod forum ....hes one hell of a fella to gets a hold of .......and he took forever to send me the mounts......he told me he had it made and will send it right after he recieved the money .......well he had my money for about a month to a month in a half .......before he sent it.....i emailed him almost everyday during the month .....alot of my questions were ignored ...such as "wats my tracking number?"....only cuz he never sent it........so yeah expect delays if u are ordering mounts from anthony ...and make sure u stay on top of it ....

anywayz i heard RB mounts work .....i never had rb mounts so i have no idea.....

[Chinamandrift]

i believe u are right about the bell housing being the same.....but there was a ca20 version also i think .....i dont thnk that one is the same ......

[Chinamandrift]

u can make the US CA transmission fit the KA for the S13/14 .....but u need to use the KA bell housing on the transmission to make it happen ......im not sure if it will make it short enough to the point where u might have to cut the shifter hole to fit the shifter tho

[ca18datsun510]

i believe u are right about the bell housing being the same.....but there was a ca20 version also i think .....i dont thnk that one is the same ......

i am right, and the rwd 20 one is the same

[ca18datsun510]

u can make the US CA transmission fit the KA for the S13/14 .....but u need to use the KA bell housing on the transmission to make it happen ......im not sure if it will make it short enough to the point where u might have to cut the shifter hole to fit the shifter tho

echo..............

[gtrperformance]

Minimal mod required for the RB mounts? I might just take my chances with the set-up from Aussie land. I want this swap to be as straight forward as possible. Minimal complications means faster build time and less money spent in the long run. I learned the hard way with my S13. Total build cost=$15,000+. I'm only interested in putting about $5,000 total in my AE86.

[gtrperformance]

Does anyone know if the bellhousings are the same on a CA auto transmission as the manual one? I'm trying to get a good deal on a possibly less abused auto transmission CA18DET. I did the same for my RB but I just left it auto. I want my AE86 to be manual for some weekend fun!

[Masterdebater]

i have an extra ca engine that came out of a hachi with the motor mount brackets on it and everything. still runs just needs exhaust mani and turbo. maybe i should get a hatchi >_>

[float_6969]

Does anyone know if the bellhousings are the same on a CA auto transmission as the manual one? I'm trying to get a good deal on a possibly less abused auto transmission CA18DET. I did the same for my RB but I just left it auto. I want my AE86 to be manual for some weekend fun!

The auto uses a bellhousing, the manual doesn't. The manual just splits into two pieces where the front of the transmission case and the bellhousing are one piece.

[dash]

Masterdebaterdid that "extra ca engine that came out of a hachi" was the camo painted hatch from way back ?Why would they pull such a project apart... wrecked ?You probably already got a few PMs on those mount/brackets - lol

[gtrperformance]

i have an extra ca engine that came out of a hachi with the motor mount brackets on it and everything. still runs just needs exhaust mani and turbo. maybe i should get a hatchi >_>

We are talking about a CA18DET, right? Isn't the SR5 engine a CA too?

[gtrperformance]

The auto uses a bellhousing, the manual doesn't. The manual just splits into two pieces where the front of the transmission case and the bellhousing are one piece.

Thanks for the info but if that's true then how would one use the CA bellhousing on an RB transmission? Manual of course.

[ca18datsun510]

We are talking about a CA18DET, right? Isn't the SR5 engine a CA too?

wait what? the corolla is a toyota, the ca is a nissan engine.

[float_6969]

Thanks for the info but if that's true then how would one use the CA bellhousing on an RB transmission? Manual of course.

The RB works the same way IIRC, it splits into two peices. The Auto has an actual bellhousing.

[gtrperformance]

The RB works the same way IIRC, it splits into two peices. The Auto has an actual bellhousing.

So how do you think the swap ould work? Using the auto CA bellhousing on the manual rb transmission?