Buy a Hyundai Equus, never go to the dealer again...

[Jesda]

...because they'll pick up your car for you and bring it in for service, leaving behind a Genesis or Equus loaner.

http://www.autonet.ca/autos/search/newm ... tonet.html

Hyundai Canada is offering Equus customers “concierge service” - a 1-800 number that allows you to shop for your new Equus from the comfort of home. The test car is brought to your door and, after purchase, the concierge will pick up and deliver your car for servicing and leave an Equus or Genesis loaner while the work is being done.

Hyundai is even throwing in an iPad interactive owner’s manual.

Service on the level of Bugatti from a Korean automaker. [Okay, they probably won't come out with a helicopter and airlift you, but its the same idea.]

This is the kind of service I enjoy from my Saab mechanic, except he doesn't leave a loaner for me.

[IanS]

Thats pretty sweet.

On a side note, every time you mention your saab mechanic, I cant help but imagine Brad Garret working on your car, and being really mad that you aren't treating it the way he believes you should.

[dasoupdude]

I wonder if Hyundai will ever make a supercar.

something to compete against the gtr, that would be awesome

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Well, that's Hyundai for you. They'll do everything they can to be better than Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Lexus...but they never will be.

That being said, the Equus is a pretty hot car.

The 1989 version of your statement is;

Well, that's Lexus for you. They'll do everything they can to be better than Mercedes-Benz,and BMW...but they never will be.

Of course, in 1989 they hadn't invented "trolling" yet...

[BusyBadger]

On a side note, every time you mention your saab mechanic, I cant help but imagine Brad Garret working on your car, and being really mad that you aren't treating it the way he believes you should.

Just saw that episode the other night. I love the part when Peterman sees the golf clubs and has a "revelation" about JFK's temper.

[ADDirishboy]

Well, that's Hyundai for you. They'll do everything they can to be better than Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Lexus...but they never will be.

Why? Just because they're Korean?

Hyundai keeps ranking higher and higher on my list. I'd rather have a Genesis Coupe than most new sporty vehicles on the market today.

In another few years, they'll have most car manufacturer's beat completely.

And what's so wrong about them doing everything they can to get more customer's? Everyone else better get their thumb out of their a** or else Hyundai will become the new Honda.

[MinisterofDOOM]

The 1989 version of your statement is;

Well, that's Lexus for you. They'll do everything they can to be better than Mercedes-Benz,and BMW...but they never will be.

And, what do you know, 22 years later, they're still not better. Whose point were you backing again?

Sardonicism aside, the Genesis and Equus are certainly viable MB/Lexus alternatives at a lower price.

The fact that there's a $20k difference between an Equus and an LS460 while BOTH are wannabes makes Lexus look pretty unappealing.

[PoorManQ45]

Of course, in 1989 they hadn't invented "trolling" yet...

Well, I was was 2 then. So trolling was just starting to make an appearance.

Also, how confident is a company that their product will fail that they are marketing superior service WHEN their product fails

*note* I like Hyundai.

[HashiriyaS14]

And, what do you know, 22 years later, they're still not better.

Lexus was, however, the best selling luxury brand in the US for quite awhile, and sales = success.

I would also argue that, during the time period they were #1, they generally made better cars than Mercedes did.


I think Hyundai is going to be huge in 10 years. They're getting huge now, the Sonata is a fantastic car. The Genesis coupe is going to get the 274hp version of the 2.0T next year and the price isn't really going to rise. They're taking over the world, I don't know how anyone can not like them.

[dasoupdude]

The Genesis coupe is going to get the 274hp version of the 2.0T next year and the price isn't really going to rise.

I heard somewhere that the v6 in the sonata is getting replaced with a 2.0T in the future too

[PoorManQ45]

No doubt that they aren't already big and will get BIGGER..in the entry-class coupe and sedan markets. NOT in the luxury market.

Please explain what they're missing?

Exotic wood?

Ridiculous engine output?

Prestige?

[AppleBonker]

People would rather not purchase a vehicle that falls apart, whether or not they get a free loaner while it's in service for a few months...

So you're claiming that a Hyundai is more likely to fall apart than something offered by other manufacturers? I wouldn't mind seeing some data to back that up.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

[Hyundai makes](sic) a vehicle that falls apart

As a side note, the Product Specialist over at Hyundai even admitted that the Equus won't sell well and will only serve as a "point" that Hyundai is shoving themselves in the Luxury market.

Cite sources for both statements, please.

[MinisterofDOOM]

As a side note, the Product Specialist over at Hyundai even admitted that the Equus won't sell well and will only serve as a "point" that Hyundai is shoving themselves in the Luxury market. Don't know what they expect from this venture, because it's not going to get far.

This is nothing new. The concept of a "halo model" goes way, way back. It helps draw people into showrooms, helps improve brand image, and broadens the range of buyers dealerships can attract. The idea of using 7s to sell 3s has been around for ages.

[AppleBonker]

Ok, we'll try to walk through this one then.

[Hyundai will] do everything they can to be better than Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Lexus...but they never will be.

Why? Just because they're Korean?

Mostly. People would rather not purchase a vehicle that falls apart, whether or not they get a free loaner while it's in service for a few months...

So when I ask for proof that Hyundais fall apart more often, it seems pretty reasonable. You telling me I can't read doesn't change anything. What does the above mean then? I feel my interpretation of your text was the best possible one. I get that you're the smartest guy in this thread, so now please enlighten the rest of us lowly folks.

Edit: Followed by a post by you claiming that Hyundais fall apart and that's your opinion. But a "good" opinion. Wow. If not being able to follow that string of garbage means I can't read, then I can't read. And I think I'm better off that way. Or, it was a random statement that a Hyundai will fall apart (which is definitely true and can be said of all auto manufacturers and is therefor completely worthless in the context of this discussion). Scratch my previous request. I don't want to be "enlightened".

[AppleBonker]

1) You can't prove that without years of research. It was my opinion. But a very good opinion.

Bwahaha. Look at the timestamps on those posts. I'm pretty sure glasses don't help me read posts from the future...

- I didn't say that

- It's my opinion and a "good" one

Which is it?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

1) You can't prove that without years of research. It was my opinion. But a very good opinion.

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch2KSHIu-Co

You implied Hyundai make an unreliable car as a statement of fact. Again, please cite sources or you're trolling.

And the interview said nothing about it not selling well, only that it's not their "bread and butter." That's like saying the M5 doesn't sell well. MoD is correct about halo cars. Now if we start to see Equui sitting around on dealer lots, then yes, it didn't sell well (see VW Phaeton). That COULD happen, Hyundai isn't know for making $40k+ cars. But it won't be a reliability issue, as you so trollfully implied.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Sure, because my opinion is trolling. Whatever makes you sleep better, charlieo.

Thai ladyboys help me sleep better, but they don't help you cite reliability studies!

[AppleBonker]

You edited your post afterwards. I posted my opinion 14 minutes before you posted your rant.

No, the issue was that I asked you for proof that a Hyundai was less reliable. You responded that you never said that and I couldn't read. Later, your story changes and you are now claiming it is your opinion but I can't read. If you're referencing the fact that I can't read your mind, then I would agree. And the long lag from the edit was due to a sweet NICO slowdown.

Calm down, buddy. If you can't keep our feelings out of the Political Forum then I'll just ignore you.

I'm perfectly calm. And this has nothing to do with any other thread on this site. If you are going to claim an opinion of yours as truth and not have the facts to back it up I am going to call you out on it. If the easiest solution for you at that point is ignoring me, go for it. But it'll be pretty tough to convince people you are correct when every time they question you you plan on ignoring them.

For the record, I hate Hyundais and you'll never catch me owning one. I've done stereo work on a few and they were a huge pain for me to work with. I'm also not a fan of the styling. However, I don't believe I've ever seen anything that calls their reliability into question.

[ADDirishboy]

You're right, it could be reverse psychology but most likely not. It's a $70k vehicle (as rumor has it) being sold by a company that typically stays around the $30k price range. No amount of reverse psychology or "halo model" will make people purchase it. Draw them into the showroom, sure. Purchase it, no.

The point of a halo model isn't to have everyone buy the halo model. It's there to get customer's into the showroom. If they end up buying that halo car, fantastic. But what they really want is people just IN the showroom, getting them to see what other models they offer.

[AppleBonker]

http://www.truedelta.com/repair_histori ... sion_code=

As much as I think it is a cool idea, I'm not sure that I would consider 66 vehicles statistically significant with the number on the road. At the same time, much larger companies (consumer reports, motor trend, and so on) have heaped praise on the car. I have yet to see any of those sources claim reliability issues. Though, admittedly, I didn't look too hard.

[Jesda]

Of course, in 1989 they hadn't invented "trolling" yet...

Well, I was was 2 then. So trolling was just starting to make an appearance.

Also, how confident is a company that their product will fail that they are marketing superior service WHEN their product fails

*note* I like Hyundai.

You take your new car to the dealer for maintenance and care, not just when it breaks.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Oops, almost forgot about NICOclub's Sponsor: TrueDelta

http://www.truedelta.com/models/Genesis ... sion_code=

Yeah, they aren't doing too well.

Good work cherrypicking one of their lineup... check out the rest. They're doing pretty well!

[PoorManQ45]

You take your new car to the dealer for maintenance and care, not just when it breaks.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about these maintenance free warranties!

Also, guys, stop feeding the troll!!!

He's going through forums and TSBs for these issues. All of them can be negated as all other manufacturers have issues like that too...

[Jesda]

Ive heard from dealers that a lot of Hyundais with just over 100k have frequent transmission issues. Its hearsay, but its heard by me from folks I know. Of course, a Hyundai with 100k is probably 5-8 years old now, which doesnt reflect the cars being made today.

I think based on Hyundai's aggressive progress, I would be comfortable with buying a new one, but brand new products tend to be buggy too.

[PoorManQ45]

Ive heard from dealers that a lot of Hyundais with just over 100k have frequent transmission issues. Its hearsay, but its heard by me from folks I know. Of course, a Hyundai with 100k is probably 5-8 years old now, which doesnt reflect the cars being made today.

So did the venerable 700r4... Transmission problems mean nothing.

Also, compare these to mid 90's Toyota sludge buckets. No one likes to ever bring that up...

[Jesda]

I wouldnt call it nothing. If past issues become well known, they affect future resale value, which in turn makes owning the car more expensive. I'm looking forward to when the Genesis sedan hits $10k. Its on the top of my list, probably ahead of the Cadillac DTS.

[seang]

I wonder if Hyundai will someday have to raise their prices because of legacy costs.

[2the40]

I'm enjoying my Genesis Coupe. I had the shift boot TSB taken care of, other than that the car has been great.

[Jesda]

198 posts in 6 years. Holy lurker!