Blown Locked Up Trashed 92 Q45! Help!
Did you have the engine replaced?...if so where did you find one? I've got several guys contacting me about Japanese imports ranging from $1,100 to $2,900. All claim low mileage between 30, 000 to 80,000 miles. Just can't pick one. Then I've got to find someone to put it in. I don't really want to spend an arm and a leg at the dealer but that is probably the best place to have it done.
rrack:Didnt u read my post in Buy/Sell/Trade?It's a bit over a week old.
T3 has a great takeout right now for sale(T3 owners wife totaled his car).It's even fully R&R'ed already.
The number is in the post there.The number is on the Buy/Sell board.Be sure to reply to that post so PPL now engine is taken if u buy it.
Fred..
T3 has a great takeout right now for sale(T3 owners wife totaled his car).It's even fully R&R'ed already.
The number is in the post there.The number is on the Buy/Sell board.Be sure to reply to that post so PPL now engine is taken if u buy it.
Fred..
Yep...I spoke to the dealer here and they will only install a new engine. Short block $8,600 or long block $15,600! Plus 23.3 hours labor at $94/hour!
I got several estimates from transport companies and the lowest was $900! I may have found someone here in town that can do the install though.
Can't wait to talk to T3 on Monday! I've got my fingers crossed for a goooood deal!
robert
I got several estimates from transport companies and the lowest was $900! I may have found someone here in town that can do the install though.
Can't wait to talk to T3 on Monday! I've got my fingers crossed for a goooood deal!
robert
Well, I finally found a local shop to tear her apart. I had started trying to drop the pan and remove the right mount but it's just too much to do with just stands and a floor jack.
I was listening to the radio last weekend and heard this guy on a call in auto repair show. His name is Steve Gehrlein and owns Cambridge Automotive. It just happens to be a mere 2 miles from my house too! I did some research and apparently this guy is a legend here. He has also done several Q engine installs. I called him and he said that he'd find out what made mine blow. He quoted me about $1750 for the install. I still need to find out if that covers everything though. I think the engine needs to be dropped from the bottom which would throw the steering and alignment out of wack. Also, I don't know if they will need to evacuate the A/C.
I'm going to call T3 tomorrow and start the process of getting that engine. I just need to find out how to ship it. They said that they have never shipped one before.
Oh yeah...my attorney dropped me! He hasn't done a single thing! In the process of finding another...
Anyway, that's all for now. I can finally see a distant light at the end of this long tunnel.
Robert...
I was listening to the radio last weekend and heard this guy on a call in auto repair show. His name is Steve Gehrlein and owns Cambridge Automotive. It just happens to be a mere 2 miles from my house too! I did some research and apparently this guy is a legend here. He has also done several Q engine installs. I called him and he said that he'd find out what made mine blow. He quoted me about $1750 for the install. I still need to find out if that covers everything though. I think the engine needs to be dropped from the bottom which would throw the steering and alignment out of wack. Also, I don't know if they will need to evacuate the A/C.
I'm going to call T3 tomorrow and start the process of getting that engine. I just need to find out how to ship it. They said that they have never shipped one before.
Oh yeah...my attorney dropped me! He hasn't done a single thing! In the process of finding another...
Anyway, that's all for now. I can finally see a distant light at the end of this long tunnel.
Robert...
Ouch, that's bad news about the attorney. Any other will see that as a red flag in deciding to take your case or not. Perhaps your best bet would be to go to small claims court. Much cheaper, and you might get most of your expenses back depending on your state's limits. A lot of adult education centers offer courses on the process. It really isn't that complicated, and a judge's sympathy may be easier to win than litigation. I heard of Steve when doing a search for BG products. He used to have really good prices, but they've gone up recently. I bought his book too, though it's not for the serious DIY'er. If he's done several installs then that is fabulous news. Now's the time to buy some parts from Scottsdale for any work that should be done concurrently. Things like motor/transmission mounts and oil pan gasket come to mind.Good luck.
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The A/C would need to be evacuated. The good news is that if the engine is coming from T3 you should be able to find out what has been done already! You should be able to save a lot of the pre-install stuff you usually do if the guides have already been replaced and the hoses are fairly new.
Just thought of this... one thing that might help your case is to get the tech's driving record. If you see a lot of wreckless driving convictions, etc... that would go a long way to confirm his driving habits and what you saw when you noticed him tearing out of the lot. If his record is clean, then don't mention it in court... just another angle.
Whatever you do, don't let them get away with destroying your car!
Heath
Just thought of this... one thing that might help your case is to get the tech's driving record. If you see a lot of wreckless driving convictions, etc... that would go a long way to confirm his driving habits and what you saw when you noticed him tearing out of the lot. If his record is clean, then don't mention it in court... just another angle.
Whatever you do, don't let them get away with destroying your car!
Heath
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When ever you sling a rod, the bearings were toast to begin with otherwise the [slapping wobbling] forces couldn't develop to break the rod cap bolts.
$1750 is pretty cheap for a Q engine remove and install even with no R&R time..........you should always budget $2500 plus new parts....[plus what ever the engine cost]......every valve cover should be resealed to avoid the $500 later same with plenum work spending $500-$1000 when the engine is on the ground can save $$1500-$2000 later.
Even though the T3 engine had guides done 2 years ago when it was received as a Japanese takeout, the injectors nor knock sensors nor harnesses were not changed out. It would be a good idea to reseal everything since the motor has set undriven in the car for months since the wreck.
Remember the engine has Japanese headers and may not pass cold start emissions, I would recommend that they be changed out to US spec exhaust manifolds [from your old engine].
$1750 is pretty cheap for a Q engine remove and install even with no R&R time..........you should always budget $2500 plus new parts....[plus what ever the engine cost]......every valve cover should be resealed to avoid the $500 later same with plenum work spending $500-$1000 when the engine is on the ground can save $$1500-$2000 later.
Even though the T3 engine had guides done 2 years ago when it was received as a Japanese takeout, the injectors nor knock sensors nor harnesses were not changed out. It would be a good idea to reseal everything since the motor has set undriven in the car for months since the wreck.
Remember the engine has Japanese headers and may not pass cold start emissions, I would recommend that they be changed out to US spec exhaust manifolds [from your old engine].
latest in the ongoing saga......ok. fiiiiiiiinally got that Q45 engine from T3 after pulling teeth for the last 3 weeks when they cashed my check! I kept getting promises that it would be shipped the next day. Anyway, I picked it up from the shipping company last Friday and took it to my shop who has also been waiting this long with my DOA car on one of their lifts. I'm not sure what I was expecting but, it is a mess. Very dirty with leaves everywhere. I also didn't get a single piece of paperwork! No receipt! Not a single thing as I requested...approximate mileage and a list of replaced parts...ie chain guides etc....I told them of my legal situation and I will need everything documented.
Anyway, I'm sure it'll be fine once I get the receipt.
Just spoke to my shop and they've started tearing apart the blown motor. They said that two entire cylinders and rods have Exploded! Bits and pieces of metal everywhere filling the pan! He said that they have never seen anything like this. He said that it doesn't appear to be anything but over reving. There was plenty of good clean oil still in her. I'm going over there later today or tomorrow and take a closer look and get some pics. I'll also get them to write me a letter.
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel! How's this for a dedicated Q fanatic...
...forgot to ask...my small claims court plans have begun...anyone that has a high mileage Q45 please send me a formal/semiformal letter to [email protected] stating your cars info, condition and mileage...attached pics would also be great...may not do much, but I thought it's better to have and not need than to need and not have...
...will keep u guys posted...robert
Anyway, I'm sure it'll be fine once I get the receipt.
Just spoke to my shop and they've started tearing apart the blown motor. They said that two entire cylinders and rods have Exploded! Bits and pieces of metal everywhere filling the pan! He said that they have never seen anything like this. He said that it doesn't appear to be anything but over reving. There was plenty of good clean oil still in her. I'm going over there later today or tomorrow and take a closer look and get some pics. I'll also get them to write me a letter.
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel! How's this for a dedicated Q fanatic...
...forgot to ask...my small claims court plans have begun...anyone that has a high mileage Q45 please send me a formal/semiformal letter to [email protected] stating your cars info, condition and mileage...attached pics would also be great...may not do much, but I thought it's better to have and not need than to need and not have...
...will keep u guys posted...robert
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Thanks for the update and good luck! My Q45s are too low a mileage to help you out. I'll look you up when I am in SA next month. Just email me if you are agreeable. I would like to see your car and the facility that performed the work as I am still searching for a competent technician.
On the over revving, don't all Qs limit that to the redline with the ECU? In any case, any exceursion near the redline is not necessary for tire testing. That can be shown by gear ratio/speed charts.
On the over revving, don't all Qs limit that to the redline with the ECU? In any case, any exceursion near the redline is not necessary for tire testing. That can be shown by gear ratio/speed charts.
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Over reving won't do it unless the bearings were bad to begin with or injectors so bad that some cylinders were too lean.Mine gets over 6500 every day [at least once or twice as exercise] and probably has for the last 13 years......245,000 miles.
My redline is 7300 not the factory 6900 so it should be worse.
Remember what I said about the engine sitting in the wrecked Q for months with an open bent hood [leaves]. Make sure your installer does all the R&R while its open and easy.
As to mileage we [T3] can't say anything other than it has about 31,000 more than when we received it from Japan as they provided no paper work either.
As this was an "as is sale no warranty" since we are not doing the install.............just an engine that was running immediately before the wreck but it was in the owners car so it got monthly checks and maintenance.
I raced him about 6 months prior and it performed as well as mine up to 130 mph.......neck and neck both with JWT ecus.
My redline is 7300 not the factory 6900 so it should be worse.
Remember what I said about the engine sitting in the wrecked Q for months with an open bent hood [leaves]. Make sure your installer does all the R&R while its open and easy.
As to mileage we [T3] can't say anything other than it has about 31,000 more than when we received it from Japan as they provided no paper work either.
As this was an "as is sale no warranty" since we are not doing the install.............just an engine that was running immediately before the wreck but it was in the owners car so it got monthly checks and maintenance.
I raced him about 6 months prior and it performed as well as mine up to 130 mph.......neck and neck both with JWT ecus.
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Well, that's a pretty good performance warranty. Rrack, did you get the JWT ECU also?Q45tech wrote:As this was an "as is sale no warranty" since we are not doing the install.............just an engine that was running immediately before the wreck but it was in the owners car so it got monthly checks and maintenance.
I raced him about 6 months prior and it performed as well as mine up to 130 mph.......neck and neck both with JWT ecus.
Dennis: I assume the donor car also had the JWT TCU to stay with you up to...at whatever speed you terminated the calibration test.
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As to mileage we [T3] can't say anything other than it has about 31,000 more than when we received it from Japan as they provided no paper work either.
As this was an "as is sale no warranty" since we are not doing the install.............just an engine that was running immediately before the wreck but it was in the owners car so it got monthly checks and maintenance.[/quote]
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An additional 31K? That's not at all what they told me. They said that it had about 30K when they got it and only put an additional 10K or so. I was also told that the guides were updated along with minor R& R. No biggie though. I know that it was well maintained. I trust you guys out there. I've read far too many good things about you. It's just that I requested certain information on the receipt which I didn't even get. I need this for court purposes and in case I ever sell it. All I need is a receipt stating what Anthony and Charles told to me over the phone....just a ballpark estimate of the mileage, price paid and something saying that the guides were done.
I had asked Charles about the ECU and TCU. He wasn't sure that he wanted to sell them at the time. If they are available, please e-mail me. Or as far as that goes, anyone else that has the set available. I'm also looking to upgrade the exhaust. I just don't have any idea which system. I don't want it loud, just free flowing...I guess I'll first need to have it running.
robert
As to mileage we [T3] can't say anything other than it has about 31,000 more than when we received it from Japan as they provided no paper work either.
As this was an "as is sale no warranty" since we are not doing the install.............just an engine that was running immediately before the wreck but it was in the owners car so it got monthly checks and maintenance.[/quote]
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An additional 31K? That's not at all what they told me. They said that it had about 30K when they got it and only put an additional 10K or so. I was also told that the guides were updated along with minor R& R. No biggie though. I know that it was well maintained. I trust you guys out there. I've read far too many good things about you. It's just that I requested certain information on the receipt which I didn't even get. I need this for court purposes and in case I ever sell it. All I need is a receipt stating what Anthony and Charles told to me over the phone....just a ballpark estimate of the mileage, price paid and something saying that the guides were done.
I had asked Charles about the ECU and TCU. He wasn't sure that he wanted to sell them at the time. If they are available, please e-mail me. Or as far as that goes, anyone else that has the set available. I'm also looking to upgrade the exhaust. I just don't have any idea which system. I don't want it loud, just free flowing...I guess I'll first need to have it running.
robert
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Save your money and stick with stock. You might have missed the posts, but very little more horsepower is available for quite a bit more money.rrack wrote: I'm also looking to upgrade the exhaust. I just don't have any idea which system. I don't want it loud, just free flowing...I guess I'll first need to have it running.
robert
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I try not to get much into T3 business since I am not an employee [by choice]......you may be right about the lower mileage since swap........as Charles had 4 Q [plus assorted G20] which alternate family drivers. I think the odometer went to junkyard a month ago with the remnents of the car?
Each Q will be different the fresh chained ones [under 60k] will have more low rpm power, the stretched chained ones [over 120k] will have more above 6000 rpm.
Even 15 - 20 HP variation is pretty insignificant in 3rd gear 100-150.........as wind/tire resistance/alignment rears its ugly head........14.7 @ 97....shift...16 secs to 100 mph then 23 secs to 120......down shift from 60-120...the longest 17-18 seconds in traffic you will ever see. What if that idiot ahead pulls into my lane........what is the braking distance from 120 to 60?
Each Q will be different the fresh chained ones [under 60k] will have more low rpm power, the stretched chained ones [over 120k] will have more above 6000 rpm.
Even 15 - 20 HP variation is pretty insignificant in 3rd gear 100-150.........as wind/tire resistance/alignment rears its ugly head........14.7 @ 97....shift...16 secs to 100 mph then 23 secs to 120......down shift from 60-120...the longest 17-18 seconds in traffic you will ever see. What if that idiot ahead pulls into my lane........what is the braking distance from 120 to 60?
SHE'S ALIVE! Engine is installed and she purrs! I am sooooo excited!
The shop manager nor technicians could not believe what they saw. I even took my dad who just retired from a local shop after 43 YEARS! They are all going to write me letters.
Two complete cylinders, rods and everything else in the way was destroyed. There is a pile of bits...cylinder and rod chunks...no larger than an square inch piled in the pan sitting in nice clean oil. They said that they even pulled pieces from the intake.
Now if the car just stalled when the tech was turning around as he claims, that would mean low RPMs and probably minor breaks in the rod(s). Well, why so much destruction? He also claims that it just started smoking and there was no sound at all. It is obvious that it exploded while under heavy load. It pretty much looks like a meat grinder chewed up everything in the way. A third piston was on the way to being chewed by stray parts.
Now, I'm not saying that existing structural or mechanical failure(s) may or may not have been a factor. I just feel that the evidence appears to support my case that the technicians unauthorized abusive treatment (he wasn't even supposed to test drive it) severely promoted and intensified the failure. It may or may not have eventually broken while I was driving.
I'm sifting through pile looking for bits of the bearings. However, there is no signs of burning or scaring on what's left of the rods and caps. The crank is torn up but it looks like that's due to the crunching of parts not scaring.
Once I get the everything together, I'm packing everything up and go searching for an attorney. Letters to the BBB, Corporate Goodyear and "Goodyear Blew My Engine and Won't Pay" website are on the way. They burned me and now they will pay!
I've got some pics of the trashed engine. I'll soon post a link to my website where I am going to post them. The server is down right now. Hopefully I'll have it up by this weekend.
I'm picking her up tomorrow morning and give her a good bath.Robert
The shop manager nor technicians could not believe what they saw. I even took my dad who just retired from a local shop after 43 YEARS! They are all going to write me letters.
Two complete cylinders, rods and everything else in the way was destroyed. There is a pile of bits...cylinder and rod chunks...no larger than an square inch piled in the pan sitting in nice clean oil. They said that they even pulled pieces from the intake.
Now if the car just stalled when the tech was turning around as he claims, that would mean low RPMs and probably minor breaks in the rod(s). Well, why so much destruction? He also claims that it just started smoking and there was no sound at all. It is obvious that it exploded while under heavy load. It pretty much looks like a meat grinder chewed up everything in the way. A third piston was on the way to being chewed by stray parts.
Now, I'm not saying that existing structural or mechanical failure(s) may or may not have been a factor. I just feel that the evidence appears to support my case that the technicians unauthorized abusive treatment (he wasn't even supposed to test drive it) severely promoted and intensified the failure. It may or may not have eventually broken while I was driving.
I'm sifting through pile looking for bits of the bearings. However, there is no signs of burning or scaring on what's left of the rods and caps. The crank is torn up but it looks like that's due to the crunching of parts not scaring.
Once I get the everything together, I'm packing everything up and go searching for an attorney. Letters to the BBB, Corporate Goodyear and "Goodyear Blew My Engine and Won't Pay" website are on the way.
They burned me and now they will pay!I've got some pics of the trashed engine. I'll soon post a link to my website where I am going to post them. The server is down right now. Hopefully I'll have it up by this weekend.
I'm picking her up tomorrow morning and give her a good bath.Robert
Glad to hear you have your baby back. Now go get those bastards.
Nick :ylsuper
P.S. Do you need a letter from me? My car as my sig states has 246k on the original engine. If you need it what do you want it to entail. E-me off board and let me know. [email protected]
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P.S. Do you need a letter from me? My car as my sig states has 246k on the original engine. If you need it what do you want it to entail. E-me off board and let me know. [email protected]
...server wasn't down...I just don't know what I'm doing...don't make fun...it's my first attempt at creating one.
http://users3.ev1.net/~rrackley
just checked...it's working...the pics aren't the best. I'll take some more tomorrow. Also maybe some of my baby after her bath.
Robert
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just checked...it's working...the pics aren't the best. I'll take some more tomorrow. Also maybe some of my baby after her bath.
Robert
rrack wrote:Once I get the everything together, I'm packing everything up and go searching for an attorney. Letters to the BBB, Corporate Goodyear and "Goodyear Blew My Engine and Won't Pay" website are on the way.
This is an awesome attitude!Congrats on coming this far, and good luck on the process. I love hearing of of dirty businesses getting screwed by the people they try to screw. If all else fails, I'll send you my lawyer on a plane over night.
Anything to see you win this case....just a quick update...she runs great! Took some time but Thanks T3!...BTW...does anyone have any pull with them? I keep calling and speak with Anthony...They won't send me a receipt! I need it! All i wanted on it was the approximate mileage and any replaced parts i.e. chain guides etc...They keep saying that they forgot about it.
The total so far is $4,200. I called the shop this morning and left a msg for the owner. We'll see what he wants to do...if not, the battle is on!
I also uploaded a few more pics...the most important ones are my baby after her first bath after her 3 month surgery. More to come when i develop some film.
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I'll be back soon trying to do my part in helping you guys out...Work has been far too busy right now.
Robert
The total so far is $4,200. I called the shop this morning and left a msg for the owner. We'll see what he wants to do...if not, the battle is on!
I also uploaded a few more pics...the most important ones are my baby after her first bath after her 3 month surgery. More to come when i develop some film.
http://users3.ev1.net/~rrackley
I'll be back soon trying to do my part in helping you guys out...Work has been far too busy right now.
Robert
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