Please Help! - AWD Rogue L/100km Stats

[nightfawl]

Hi Everyone - I am new to the Nissan family. I just purchased a 2011 AWD Rogue SL for my wife and she is in love with it. The only thing I am curious about is the fuel consumption.

According to the official fuel consumption guide I should get 9.3L/100km City and 7.7L/100km Hwy. My wife drives in the city 100% of the time in some slower traffic and according to the dash she is only getting around 12.1L/100km. That is significantly more than I expected. I should point out that it has been in snow and slow traffic and I have told her to turn on her AWD Lock.

Can anyone help make sense of this? Is this normal or should I be concerned?

Thanks!

[ImStricken06]

Hi Everyone - I am new to the Nissan family. I just purchased a 2011 AWD Rogue SL for my wife and she is in love with it. The only thing I am curious about is the fuel consumption.

According to the official fuel consumption guide I should get 9.3L/100km City and 7.7L/100km Hwy. My wife drives in the city 100% of the time in some slower traffic and according to the dash she is only getting around 12.1L/100km. That is significantly more than I expected. I should point out that it has been in snow and slow traffic and I have told her to turn on her AWD Lock.

Can anyone help make sense of this? Is this normal or should I be concerned?

Thanks!

welcome aboard! thanks for joining.

i am having trouble trying to figure out if you are complementing the rogue: "That is significantly more than I expected". or if you are complaining about poor fuel consumption: "Is this normal or should I be concerned?"

are you concerned that your car is using less gas than you thought it would? if thats the case, then dont worry. the ESTIMATES that are shown on stickers, websites, and hand-guides are just that: ESTIMATES. everything depends on weight, speed, weather, altitude, air density, etc. if your car is doing better than claimed = be happy.


then you mentioned that she should turn on her AWD lock.... why? thats only when you are stuck in a pit. AWD LOCK turns off automatically (even if the dash-light is engaged) above 6mph. i urge you to read your owners manual when it comes to the AWD system. its very important to know exactly how it operates- otherwise its useless.

[nightfawl]

Thanks for the warm welcome!

To clarify, I am concerned about the fuel economy and the vehicle using considerably more gas than I thought it would. I know that I shouldn't go by the sticker exactly but 12.1L/100km is a lot more than the advertised 9.3L/100km. Almost an average of 3L more per 100km.

Regarding the AWD-Lock, I read the manual and it says that the car automatically uses AWD when its needed but I did find that during our last snow storm the car had more traction with the AWD-Lock system turned ON. Didn't slide around nearly as much. Am I mistaken?

[ImStricken06]

To clarify, I am concerned about the fuel economy and the vehicle using considerably more gas than I thought it would. I know that I shouldn't go by the sticker exactly but 12.1L/100km is a lot more than the advertised 9.3L/100km. Almost an average of 3L more per 100km.

welcome to the club. those estimates are just estimates. in reality, this car isnt as economical as we all thought it would be lol

Regarding the AWD-Lock, I read the manual and it says that the car automatically uses AWD when its needed but I did find that during our last snow storm the car had more traction with the AWD-Lock system turned ON. Didn't slide around nearly as much. Am I mistaken?

mistaken, indeed. awd-lock turns off, and its only for getting out of a rutt. plus, your car is automatically in AWD 0-6mph, everytime- automatically.

[nightfawl]

What if I want AWD engaged at higher speeds? For example driving around 40-50km/h on snowy or icy roads? Would I not turn it on for more traction?

[ImStricken06]

What if I want AWD engaged at higher speeds? For example driving around 40-50km/h on snowy or icy roads? Would I not turn it on for more traction?

AWD TURNS OFF AT 6MPH / 9.6khm. THERE IS NO MANUAL WAY TO TURN IT ON AFTER THAT.

Let me try and explain this a little better: you bought a primarily FWD car that will engage AWD(the rear wheels) when the system detects certain criteria: driving below 6mph, steering angle at certain speeds, wheel slip, incline, etc. OTHERWISE, ITS ALWAYS FWD AFTER 6MPH This car is not full-time awd, or awd on command. even cars that offer all-time AWD are not true 50/50 power split. they are between 60/40 - 90/10.

PLEASE READ YOUR MANUAL: https://owners.nissanusa.com/content/te ... manual.pdf

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[minibus4]

No degree of awd is going to save you if you're going that fast and trying to make that fast of movements on ice. Best thing to do is to let off the gas and let the car do its thing to get traction back. The tcs automatically turns on if it senses that the car is traveling in a different direction then what the steering wheel is. The Rogue is pretty darn smart and will adjust most everything as needed. The cruise control even turns off it senses too many irregularities. Don't let these systems fool you into the "I have a big truck and can do anything with it" syndrome, always use common cautious sense.

[nightfawl]

Amazing! Thank you guys so much for your quick and thorough answers. I really do appreciate being part of a forum where people give you good information. This all makes much more sense to me now.

However, back to my original question, does the consumption I am getting seem normal? Maybe engaging the AWD-Lock at all times has something to do with the higher than normal fuel consumption? And again, I know I am not going to get 9.3L/100km like advertised (city driving), but 12.1 seems a little too off the mark to me.

What do you guys get if you are strictly city driving? Thanks again!!!

[ImStricken06]

i think you and your wife need to adjust to the rogue, and its strange transmission. everyone who gets this car needs to adjust and ease off the throttle intermittently to keep the RPM's down.

[nightfawl]

I have definitely noticed that this vehicle drives differently. Another thing I noticed is that it accelerates slower than most other cars, which is fine with me since it keeps the RPM under 2,000. I have to admit, sometimes from a stop I will accelerate a little more to get it up to speed since I find it is almost too low for my liking. Almost like I am in too high of a gear and it feels SLUGGISH. But once I am at the speed limit I am very easy on the throttle.

[zengshengliu]

They got their number under "perfect" test condition, meaning most of the time, you can't really get to that number.
Especially in city, where there are lots of stop traffic, the fuel consumption will definitely be higher.

[followingnfront]

Im with you on the fuel economy. It sucks! The highest (all highway) mileage Ive gotten on a single tank was 23mpg. That is anywhere between 55mph and 90mph and being easy on the throttle and using cruise when I could. My previous car (2006 Honda Accord V6 sedan) on the same road, same trip, would get 24 mpg driving mostly between 80mph and 102mph and being heavy on the throttle... And the Rogue is only 54lbs heavier than my old Accord.

In the Rogue, in the city I get between 16-18mpg easy on the throttle

[ImStricken06]

Im with you on the fuel economy. It sucks! The highest (all highway) mileage Ive gotten on a single tank was 23mpg. That is anywhere between 55mph and 90mph

+1

[followingnfront]

Yeah I mean, gas mileage was one of the reasons I got the Rogue over the Max...

But I have a question about the size of the Rogue's gas tank... Ive read that its 15.9 gallons, but there was one time I was on or near E and I filled it up and when I was done the pump registered that I put 16.1 gallons into my tank. So....... How many gallons is our fuel tank?

[Rogue One]

Hi Everyone - I am new to the Nissan family. I just purchased a 2011 AWD Rogue SL for my wife and she is in love with it. The only thing I am curious about is the fuel consumption.

According to the official fuel consumption guide I should get 9.3L/100km City and 7.7L/100km Hwy. My wife drives in the city 100% of the time in some slower traffic and according to the dash she is only getting around 12.1L/100km. That is significantly more than I expected. I should point out that it has been in snow and slow traffic and I have told her to turn on her AWD Lock.

Can anyone help make sense of this? Is this normal or should I be concerned?

Thanks!

Since you mentioned snow, can I assume the vehicle is allowed to warm up before being driven? If so, how long does it sit idling before being driven? Fastest way to kill mileage is allowing the engine to idle for extended periods of time. Trust me, my last fill up numbers were abysmal due to leaving my engine to warm up after work while chatting with a co-worker. It only sat warming up for the length of time it took her to finish a cigarette, but doing that several nights in a row saw a reduction by 4mpg over the previous tank.

There's also the fact that we have a winter-grade fuel (which contains more butane), and that has a negative impact on fuel consumption. Is there a similar program in Canada?

[Rogue One]

Yeah I mean, gas mileage was one of the reasons I got the Rogue over the Max...

But I have a question about the size of the Rogue's gas tank... Ive read that its 15.9 gallons, but there was one time I was on or near E and I filled it up and when I was done the pump registered that I put 16.1 gallons into my tank. So....... How many gallons is our fuel tank?

It's possible if you overfilled it. The volume of the tank does not include the pipe that connects the gas opening to the tank. Also your gas tank (or most any tank) has a percentage of headroom. This headroom is there to provide safety for expansion in the tank. So you squeezed an extra .2 gallons into, I'd say that's about normal. I like to think car makers tend to understate tank size so that people who tend to go too long between fill ups still have a enough gas to get them to the next station.

[followingnfront]

Yeah I mean, gas mileage was one of the reasons I got the Rogue over the Max...

But I have a question about the size of the Rogue's gas tank... Ive read that its 15.9 gallons, but there was one time I was on or near E and I filled it up and when I was done the pump registered that I put 16.1 gallons into my tank. So....... How many gallons is our fuel tank?

It's possible if you overfilled it. The volume of the tank does not include the pipe that connects the gas opening to the tank. Also your gas tank (or most any tank) has a percentage of headroom. This headroom is there to provide safety for expansion in the tank. So you squeezed an extra .2 gallons into, I'd say that's about normal. I like to think car makers tend to understate tank size so that people who tend to go too long between fill ups still have a enough gas to get them to the next station.

I would think the nozzle would click before the tank got overfilled... I never "top off" a gas tank, I only go til the first click. So the only way for a pump to.push 16.1 gallons into a 15.9 gallon tank before clicking would be if I pushed the car into the gas station (ie it was bone dry). But it wasnt, and I drove in. Fom my experience with my Accord (which had a 17.1 gallon tank), even when the needle is BELOW empty, there is still some gas in the tank so youd actually be putting in say 15.1 gallons into a 15.9 gallon tank etc....

[nightfawl]

Hi Everyone - I am new to the Nissan family. I just purchased a 2011 AWD Rogue SL for my wife and she is in love with it. The only thing I am curious about is the fuel consumption.

According to the official fuel consumption guide I should get 9.3L/100km City and 7.7L/100km Hwy. My wife drives in the city 100% of the time in some slower traffic and according to the dash she is only getting around 12.1L/100km. That is significantly more than I expected. I should point out that it has been in snow and slow traffic and I have told her to turn on her AWD Lock.

Can anyone help make sense of this? Is this normal or should I be concerned?

Thanks!

Since you mentioned snow, can I assume the vehicle is allowed to warm up before being driven? If so, how long does it sit idling before being driven? Fastest way to kill mileage is allowing the engine to idle for extended periods of time. Trust me, my last fill up numbers were abysmal due to leaving my engine to warm up after work while chatting with a co-worker. It only sat warming up for the length of time it took her to finish a cigarette, but doing that several nights in a row saw a reduction by 4mpg over the previous tank.

There's also the fact that we have a winter-grade fuel (which contains more butane), and that has a negative impact on fuel consumption. Is there a similar program in Canada?

Yes, I do let the car warm up for about a minute before I start driving. Plus driving to work there are a lot of red lights and idling in traffic. Just to give you an idea it takes 45 min to drive to work on city streets where on a normal day with no traffic it would take no more than 20 minutes. PLUS, I made the mistake and used the AWD-Lock button all the way and since I was driving fairly slow (in traffic) I don't think it had a chance to automatically disengage.

[Rogue One]

Yes, I do let the car warm up for about a minute before I start driving. Plus driving to work there are a lot of red lights and idling in traffic. Just to give you an idea it takes 45 min to drive to work on city streets where on a normal day with no traffic it would take no more than 20 minutes. PLUS, I made the mistake and used the AWD-Lock button all the way and since I was driving fairly slow (in traffic) I don't think it had a chance to automatically disengage.

Good to know. I did a little research and found this info on Petro-Canada's website http://www.petro-canada.ca/en/wholesalefuel/314.aspx

They got their number under "perfect" test condition, meaning most of the time, you can't really get to that number.
Especially in city, where there are lots of stop traffic, the fuel consumption will definitely be higher.

Thank you! I've been saying this for years. One thing many people either aren't aware of (or choose to ignore) is there are up to 20 different types of "enviro-friendly" fuel blends sold throughout the U.S. during the summer, to comply with local and federal EPA standards. Some of these blends have shown as much as a 4% increase in fuel consumption.

[Qashqai]

This is how the EPA tests the vehicles:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

City:


Highway:


High Speed:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/images/us06dds.gif

Air Conditioning:


Cold temperature:

[rdub2k4]

Last night I reset the MPG indicator when we went out to my fiance's parent's house. It's about 25 miles round trip. Averaged 28.7mpg with the cruise set at 65. Not too bad.

[Qashqai]

Last night I reset the MPG indicator when we went out to my fiance's parent's house. It's about 25 miles round trip. Averaged 28.7mpg with the cruise set at 65. Not too bad.

You went to future Ms. rdub2k4's parent's house and all you were thinking was mileage??? and you reset the indicator as well, so it was a "planned act"....I hope you didn't forgot to bring flowers???

[nightfawl]

Last night I reset the MPG indicator when we went out to my fiance's parent's house. It's about 25 miles round trip. Averaged 28.7mpg with the cruise set at 65. Not too bad.

Actually how do you reset the L/100 gauge? Is it the same button that resets the trip mileage? When I fill up the tank I want it to read 0 so I have a true L/100km per tank.

[Qashqai]

When you push the right knob for 2-3 seconds, it resets the short time mpg average. If you press the right knob until the mpg digits ( _ _ . _ ) flashes for a single time it resets the overall average.

Now a warning:

Right now, your 11.2 lt/100km is the average fuel consumption of your car from day 1 (assuming you never reset it before). So it is the average of, lets say, four months. As soon as you reset the mpg (by using the second method I described), than the computer will start to take the average from that moment. If you did this reset on a rush hour traffic, at first 50-100 km, you may get crazy numbers like 28 lt/100km. Don't panic.

[rdub2k4]

Last night I reset the MPG indicator when we went out to my fiance's parent's house. It's about 25 miles round trip. Averaged 28.7mpg with the cruise set at 65. Not too bad.

You went to future Ms. rdub2k4's parent's house and all you were thinking was mileage??? and you reset the indicator as well, so it was a "planned act"....I hope you didn't forgot to bring flowers???

We brought food, lol. Works better then flowers


@ nightfawl, exactly what Qashqai said. When I started driving from a dead stop, it said something like 9MPG. I know it's different then the lt/100km, but it freaked me out too lol.

[nightfawl]

When you push the right knob for 2-3 seconds, it resets the short time mpg average. If you press the right knob until the mpg digits ( _ _ . _ ) flashes for a single time it resets the overall average.

Now a warning:

Right now, you 11.2 lt/100km is the average fuel consumption of your car from day 1 (assuming you never reset it before). So it is the average of, lets say, four months. As soon as you reset the mpg (by using the second method I described), than the computer will start to take the average from that moment. If you did this reset on a rush hour traffic, at first 50-100 km, you may get crazy numbers like 28 lt/100km. Don't panic.

Thanks! I will definitely keep that in mind.

[sprocket]

Im with you on the fuel economy. It sucks! The highest (all highway) mileage Ive gotten on a single tank was 23mpg. That is anywhere between 55mph and 90mph

+1

All the Rogues I've had has been pretty good on the fuel economy, whether AWD or FWD

My 2012 (FWD) is currently averaging 26.8 USmpg (8.8L/100km) over the past 11 months (~ 16,000 miles).
Rating for a 2012 FWD is 23/28/25 US-mpg city/hwy/combined (10.2/8.4/9.4 L/100km). I think I'm doing great!
US and CANADA ratings are different, I just found out, so my numbers in L/100km are just straight conversions from my actual mpg or US fuel economy ratings. CANADA official ratings for a FWD is 9 L/100km city, 7 L/100km hwy.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/programs/enviro ... 139.htm#a4

Michigan winters, ~ 75% freeway driving, some summer kayak carrying and occasional camping trip.
Weekly commute is about 20 miles each way over 30 minutes, 75% freeway, cruise set @ 70mph.
Lowest I've seen in the winter is 23.7 US-mpg when average temps dropped down to the low teens!

[nightfawl]

We just filled up the tank last night and drove home about 5km from the gas station and the L/100km was already lower than we were getting before. I believe it was about 10.7 if I'm not mistaken. I expect that number to go up a bit with the heavy traffic going to and from work but we'll see what kind of numbers we get now knowing how to properly drive this car now.

The one thing I noticed right after filling it up was the setting for KM until Empty was at around 475km. How many km do you guys generally get per tank? (preferably city driving)

[Rogue One]

We just filled up the tank last night and drove home about 5km from the gas station and the L/100km was already lower than we were getting before. I believe it was about 10.7 if I'm not mistaken. I expect that number to go up a bit with the heavy traffic going to and from work but we'll see what kind of numbers we get now knowing how to properly drive this car now.

The one thing I noticed right after filling it up was the setting for KM until Empty was at around 475km. How many km do you guys generally get per tank? (preferably city driving)

Say Nightfawl, just out of curiosity, have you had a chance to peruse either of these threads?
hows-your-mpg-t563879.html
rogue-gas-mileage-real-owner-logs-t274125.html

[nightfawl]

My recently purchased 2011 SL AWD has 40,000km on it. Located in Toronto (winter driving) 100% city driving in traffic to and from work about 45 min each way. Computer says avg speed is 30km/hr (18mph). Very light footed on the accelerator and try to drive conservatively. Constantly getting around 12.4L/100km (19 mpg). Does this sound right to you guys? I'm not really impressed with my city driving numbers. I thought I would be getting better...