Are you for legalization or against it? (marijuana)

[1unar3clipse]

I'm pretty sure you won't get a DUI for it.

You CAN get a DUI for being high, its still illegal.

the 215 script doesn't allow you to drive under the influence, it even permits you from transporting it (with exceptions)

A city LEO might just take your pot and step on it to make a point, but a highway patrol officer will arrest you for it if he thinks its required.

the 215 script has its huge list of exceptions and prohibitions.

[rn79870]

I can't speak for other states, but In CA you can get a DUI for being under the influence of anything if it impairs your ability to drive a car. Weed, prescription drugs, even chocolate cake if it impairs your ability. ( Although, I doubt a jury would convict for chocolate cake.)

[Ilvemynissan]

Well I was pulled by a State Trooper, he did give me a lil sobriety test thing. He said tilt your head back with you eyes closed and when you think 30 seconds is up, tell me. I did and he let me go.

[1unar3clipse]

I can't speak for other states, but In CA you can get a DUI for being under the influence of anything if it impairs your ability to drive a car. Weed, prescription drugs, even chocolate cake if it impairs your ability. ( Although, I doubt a jury would convict for chocolate cake.)

What about if it was Medicated cake? thats the method of MJ use that no one delves into.. the one that omits fire and combustibles.

My brothers store makes a host of edibles that are medicated for those who wish not to smoke their medicine, along with true vaporizers which only heat the active content without burning the material and creating tar.

Well I was pulled by a State Trooper, he did give me a lil sobriety test thing. He said tilt your head back with you eyes closed and when you think 30 seconds is up, tell me. I did and he let me go.

Lucky man, my bro's co-worker got a DUI for driving while high here in CA.

ALSO

marijuana didn't have half the amount of chemicals it does now.

sure stuff gets laced but I'd want proof to this.

[Qwerty1942]

Here's a linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana#Effects

hey thanks for the link, because it backs up what I said earlier.

Quote »In spite of this, a recent large-scale study found no correlation between heavy marijuana use and lung cancer, despite noting that cannabis contains the same carcinogens as tobacco. The same study found a 20-fold increase in lung-cancer rates of smokers who consumed two or more packs of cigarettes per day.[62] These researchers postulated that the THC present may have a "protective effect" by causing aging cells to die before they become cancerous.[63] Other recent research suggest the cannabinoid CBD may stop certain cancers from spreading, although not in concentrations consumed during smoking.[64][/quote]owned

[Qwerty1942]

No Negative effects? You think getting high is NOT a negative effect? Being a bum is NOT negative effect?

Only ***think drugs don't have negative effect on people.

Son, you're talking to a god damn MARINE show some god damn respect for a Veteran. Its because of people like me you have the ability to post what you want on message boards all day.

There is NOTHING WRONG WITH GETTING HIGH. THIS IS 2008 QUIT LIVING IN THE 1950s!

There is no difference between getting "high" and getting "drunk." They're both altered states of mind, although the former is better since it does not provoke people to do stupid things like get into fights and whatnot and it actually is helps people in a medical sense.

by the way, BUMS DRINK THEY DONT SMOKE BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD WEED

There's enough people causing problems in the world. I don't want to add crack-heads (I know the term is named for differently but it works the same) going crazy on top of it and kill, rape, go into accidents, start fires, etc.

Now I wouldn't mind if they just jump off the Golden Gate and stuff and not bother others.

You really are ignorant, crack is NOTHING LIKE WEED.

Link me to an article where a stoner killed or raped people. You cant link me because it hasn't happened.

I wish people as narrow minded as "soravia" could jump off the golden gate bridge.

[Ilvemynissan]

The only time weed was the reason for murder and rape, things of that nature, was in 1936 I believe. In the reefer madness video. But, eventually it was found that everything in that damned movie was a lie.

[Qwerty1942]

That movie was just propaganda and racist.

btw soravia, IM WORKING RIGHT NOW so i guess I cant be a bum eh?

[Soravia]

You will be once you start blowing your money on weeb bought at gas station and grocery store.

Drinking or huffing, once you're not even fit to drive, you can't be doing much else. That takes you off from being able work force.

You might say you'll be doing it on your own time. But I know how easily people fall into the pattern.

[Qwerty1942]

You will be once you start blowing your money on weeb bought at gas station and grocery store.

Ive never heard of anyone buying weed at a gas station or a grocery store. where the hell did you pull that from?

EDUCATE yourself and read everything in that wikipedia link to mj you posted.

[1unar3clipse]

No offense Qwerty1942, but smoke another and chill.

the thread was a discussion on your standpoint on legalization, not to trump and prove Soravia wrong... anyways it's impossible for either side of this argument to have the winning hand because they are still researching the effects of MJ.

P.S. you should move to so-cal, or just come visit and test the local produce

[Qwerty1942]

Drinking or huffing, once you're not even fit to drive, you can't be doing much else. That takes you off from being able work force.

You might say you'll be doing it on your own time. But I know how easily people fall into the pattern.

again soravia spewing lies.

[Ilvemynissan]

It's called self-control, nobody is going to go blow their whole pay check on weed. Doesn't matter where you get it, grocery store or on a street corner your gonna buy what you can afford. And when did we say anything about huffing? That's just stupid, you'll die from that. And you stereotyping that we're bums, that's just plain stupid right there, how are we gonna smoke if we don't have jobs?

[1unar3clipse]

You will be once you start blowing your money on weeb bought at gas station and grocery store.

I'll agree with spending too much money on it but what if that money was recycled and reused in the state government..?

Drinking or huffing, once you're not even fit to drive, you can't be doing much else. That takes you off from being able work force.

Drinking and Huffing?Could of sworn we were talking about pot.

[Qwerty1942]

No offense Qwerty1942, but smoke another and chill.

the thread was a discussion on your standpoint on legalization, not to trump and prove Soravia wrong... anyways it's impossible for either side of this argument to have the winning hand because they are still researching the effects of MJ.

P.S. you should move to so-cal, or just come visit and test the local produce

actually its not impossible to win this argument because facts are on my side. MJ has been scientifically proven to help people medically. Its been proven its not addictive and it does not cause lung cancer.

if i seem antsy im apologize, its just that i know soravia would never call me names to my face.

[96Qowner]

You will be once you start blowing your money on weed bought at gas station and grocery store.

Drinking or huffing, once you're not even fit to drive, you can't be doing much else. That takes you off from being able work force.

You might say you'll be doing it on your own time. But I know how easily people fall into the pattern.

Seriously, man, you can't say those things to people who've been smoking for 30-40 years. It just sounds silly to them. Take the opportunity to hear from people who actually have a lot of experience with marijuana.

Sure, there are a lot of pot-smoking "bums" in their 20s, but being a bum isn't all that unusual for that age group. Lots of things can facilitate bumhood. But the people I know who continued to smoke are not and never will be bums. Marijuana does not cause bumhood. Patterns are patterns and losers will use whatever they need to create that pattern.

It's like guns. Pot doesn't ruin lives, people ruin their own lives.

Seriously, "my friend" would have known in the first 20 years, if it was actually debilitating, doncha think?

It would be better to spend the $30,000/yr for therapy than for incarceration. Heck, you could easily pay for it out of taxes on the sale of marijuana.

[1unar3clipse]

actually its not impossible to win this argument because facts are on my side. MJ has been scientifically proven to help people medically. Its been proven its not addictive and it does not cause lung cancer.

I will admit they have discovered practical medical applications for MJ but nothing is "set in stone" I live in the legalization capitol and my brother works in a Co-Op, even the doctor who prescribed me my 215 will admit research is still too vast to make exact yes or no answers to questions like "does it cause cancer?" "will it cure cancer" "will it cause psychosis?" "is it addictive"

but The problem generally with all those questions is the human gene pool is WAY too vast for one element to have a constant and exact effect on everyone.

[Ilvemynissan]

MJ can also be used for patients who have anorexia, or just had gastric bypass surgery to help with their appetite.

[1unar3clipse]

MJ can also be used for patients who have anorexia, or just had gastric bypass surgery to help with their appetite.

Backpains, Insomnia, and for certain post eye-surgeries.

and most of all Terminal cancer patients.

[srellim234]

This is one subject I have changed my mind about with all my pharmacy experience over the years. I would like to see it medicinally legalized as a controlled substance and dispensed through pharmacies initially.

I kind of favor just totally legalizing it since the average user can grow it with relative ease in their own homes. My reservation is that the courts won't get tough on people who do stupid things like drive while impaired. Very much the same as the courts currently don't get tough on repeat DUI offenders. I don't favor the possibility of putting additional DUI drivers on the roads.

For those who say it causes no damage to the recreational user, WRONG! You are still filling your lungs with smoke. Long-term it has to be at least as bad for you as breathing the air in Los Angeles every day.

What people do in their own homes is their business. It only becomes a public issue when they bring "under the influence" into the public domain.

[1unar3clipse]

What people do in their own homes is their business. It only becomes a public issue when they bring "under the influence" into the public domain.

totally sigged.

[96Qowner]

This is one subject I have changed my mind about with all my pharmacy experience over the years. I would like to see it medicinally legalized as a controlled substance and dispensed through pharmacies initially.

I kind of favor just totally legalizing it since the average user can grow it with relative ease in their own homes. My reservation is that the courts won't get tough on people who do stupid things like drive while impaired.

I think a better first step would be a sort of "don't ask, don't tell" thing. Whatever happens in your own home should be ok. If it never leaves your property and you don't sell it to anyone, you're legit. You get caught carrying it around or selling it, and you face legal consequences. That would really take a bite out of the illegal drug trade, with all its social and other problems, and it would draw a firm line between a naturally occurring plant and the refined white powders.

I mean, honestly, if a bird drops a seed in my yard and I don't notice it, I'm liable for a prison sentence? Bah. A waste of everyone's time and money.

[Qwerty1942]

For those who say it causes no damage to the recreational user, WRONG! You are still filling your lungs with smoke. Long-term it has to be at least as bad for you as breathing the air in Los Angeles every day.

Actually, you're WRONG! Long term smoking DOES NOT cause cancer!

btw, Los Angeles air quality is ok since the pollution rises above the city due to its sea level

[Qwerty1942]

I will admit they have discovered practical medical applications for MJ but nothing is "set in stone" I live in the legalization capitol and my brother works in a Co-Op, even the doctor who prescribed me my 215 will admit research is still too vast to make exact yes or no answers to questions like "does it cause cancer?" "will it cure cancer" "will it cause psychosis?" "is it addictive"

but The problem generally with all those questions is the human gene pool is WAY too vast for one element to have a constant and exact effect on everyone.

Nothing is set in stone. Gravity, if you recall, is a theory.

Would you feel more comfortable if I used the word "likely" in lieu of "will"?

[Ilvemynissan]

Actually, you're WRONG! Long term smoking DOES NOT cause cancer!

btw, Los Angeles air quality is ok since the pollution rises above the city due to its sea level

He didn't say it did. If it is smoke, it's not Good for you, therefore it has to be bad for you, why do you think you caugh after a fat rip, because what's in you lungs, shouldn't be there.(smoke)

[srellim234]

Actually, you're WRONG! Long term smoking DOES NOT cause cancer!

btw, Los Angeles air quality is ok since the pollution rises above the city due to its sea level

I didn't say it causes cancer. Putting smoke in your lungs does affect the efficiency of the lungs to transfer oxygen to the bloodstream. Decreased lung performance of school kids due long term exposure to airborne pollutants has been studied and the results show it is factual. Same thing with tobacco smoking.

As for pollution rising and not affecting the population, try reading up on the air patterns around the Los Angeles area. The pollution does NOT rise when it is being held down by the naturally occurring inversion layer here. Smog was observed at low elevation levels here all the way back when white settlers came to this area. Smoke from the Indian campfires remained down low and ground level haze was clearly visible to the naked eye.

[1unar3clipse]

Nothing is set in stone. Gravity, if you recall, is a theory.

Would you feel more comfortable if I used the word "likely" in lieu of "will"?

I'm just OCD about fact and fiction, I promise I'm not trying to break balls.

Gravity is also a theory that has been proven "thus far" through research and experiments and by saying that MJ use "will" cure cancer instead of "likely" is misinformation if it has not been proven.

I'm not saying it does or doesn't have beneficial uses but I'm saying more long-term research still has to be done to clear the air of propaganda to leave only true fact.

But what it all boils down too is smoking MJ has its pros and cons, ingestion of MJ has its pros and cons, vaporizing the active content in MJ has its pros and cons.

[srellim234]

QWERTY, just to help you get some facts, from

http://www.erowid.org/plants/c...shtml

"One of the primary health issues with cannabis is the effect of smoke on the lungs. While the risks from long term cannabis smoking are not fully understood, it is assumed by most health professionals that inhaling smoke into the lungs over long periods of time carries increased risks of lung problems. For people with very sensitive lungs and those who are using cannabis as part of a treatment for serious disease, smoking cannabis can be difficult and hard on the body.

Acute effects can include wheezing, coughing, difficulty breathing, and increased mucus production leading to more coughing.

Medium term effects can include decreased lung capacity for exercise, increased respiratory and throat infections, and chronic coughs. Many people (especially asthmatics) experience so much wheezing and chest discomfort that it's not worth the effects. "

and from

http://www.losangeles.com/history/

"In the fall of 1542, Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo sailed along the Southern California coast and, as he approached what would become San Pedro Bay, took note of the palpable haze filling the Los Angeles basin. As a result of his observations, he aptly dubbed the area La Baia de los Fumos, the Bay of Fumes. Even in the earliest days of human settlement, the air of Los Angeles posed challenges to its inhabitants. The meteorological phenomenon known as inversion (hot air trapping cool air) has typified the Los Angeles basin since time immemorial, and if the hundreds of Gabrileno (or Tongva) campfires could generate enough particles to inspire Cabrillo's name for the region, industrialization would obviously pose a problem."

[carmo]

1 "Grass" is a good movie/documentary 2 You can eat weed too.3 The Gov. should just tax it and make a killing.4 Weed is much safer than booze.5 Soravia (Mr.Negativity) = Fun police6 People are alot nicer when they are ripped a little. I know I was back when I was still smoking.7 Some of the smartest (brainy smart) people I have ever met love the ganja. I got a friend who scored in the 1500's on his SAT's stoned.8 Its a plant. It's natural. So are shrooms but thats WAY WAY different.9 Soravia (Mr.Negativity) = fun police.... Oh did I mention that already.... I say light em up and burn em down. Life is to short to not endulge a little.

[skylndrftr]

It's called self-control, nobody is going to go blow their whole pay check on weed.

OOOOOH yes they will...but lots of people already do that on alcohol (and some on cigarettes).

Carmo that ganja seems to be affecting yoru memory but definitely to taxing the green machine . I don't wanna think how much money we would make taxing that like we tax cigarettes