Another CVT turbo on the road!

[psi101101]

what are the numbers off of the 6 MT.. i would really like to know the potential of SFR

[Mr.Coupe]

Hey Tim, if you read my post correctly, I said typically turbos are installed from the factory on low compression motors hence the 10hp per 1psi. I furthermore added...

If you say my numbers are off, please enlighten all of us and post up hardcore numbers. You can't dyno a CVT unless you pulled the motor and dyno'd it out of the car. Until such time, it's all the speculation; numbers pulled from past projects but not specific to Ricky's car.Didn't you say that you did a turbo on a 6MT? Are you pulling the numbers off of that.

Please don't take this as an attack. I'm a an engineer by trade so everything needs to add up, that's all.

Where the HELL is this thread going? If it continues, MODS please erase it. Because to me it is not worth people to come in here and add their to start stuff. I'd rather have people not know that I have a damn turbo. Only because I have a turbo it doesn't mean I want the guys in here to say I'm a GOD or somebody. I'm just like everyone else, but I just happen to have plenty of money to buy a turbo or other luxuries. If anyone has nothing but CRAP to say just keep it to yourselfs and click outta this thread. Lets ALL be adults about it and keep it clean.

Ricky C.

[AZNnite]

Where the HELL is this thread going? If it continues, MODS please erase it. Because to me it is not worth people to come in here and add their to start stuff. I'd rather have people not know that I have a damn turbo. Only because I have a turbo it doesn't mean I want the guys in here to say I'm a GOD or somebody. I'm just like everyone else, but I just happen to have plenty of money to buy a turbo or other luxuries. If anyone has nothing but CRAP to say just keep it to yourselfs and click outta this thread. Lets ALL be adults about it and keep it clean.

Ricky C.

Nice goin' on the turbo, was thinkin about gettin it myself. But I'd wait at least another year for others to go through the trial and error phase gettin it done now and correcting all the "bugs n' glitches" for me to get it later. BUT dude, dangeris is just lookin out for us. Just wanted to make sure that those that are plannin on doin this mod won't be disappointed on the outcome after droppin all that money.

[08Coupe]

I Have seen dyno's measure horsepower based off a simulated 1/4 mile run on the dyno....it's not the best (-+5%) but may let you know what the car is putting down.. just a thought

[Bmore-coupe]

Nice goin' on the turbo, was thinkin about gettin it myself. But I'd wait at least another year for others to go through the trial and error phase gettin it done now and correcting all the "bugs n' glitches" for me to get it later. BUT dude, dangeris is just lookin out for us. Just wanted to make sure that those that are plannin on doin this mod won't be disappointed on the outcome after droppin all that money.

At no point was Dangeris trying to be confrontational. He actually stated this in every post.

I think that we can all respect what SFR is doing for the coupes, and I would also like to see some solid numbers on this mod.

And Ricky, dont get upset at where this thread is going. Youre car looks great and you have every reason to be proud of it. These comments are only coming up here because its a good place for us to speak to the people of SFR directly in a public forum

[Mr.Coupe]

At no point was Dangeris trying to be confrontational. He actually stated this in every post.

I think that we can all respect what SFR is doing for the coupes, and I would also like to see some solid numbers on this mod.

And Ricky, dont get upset at where this thread is going. Youre car looks great and you have every reason to be proud of it. These comments are only coming up here because its a good place for us to speak to the people of SFR directly in a public forum

You're right dude. I can just say that I saw it the wrong way. Tim and his team are honest tuners. And it upsets me a bit if someone says something other then that. My bad guys .

Ricky C.

[FGFCacoupe]

Congratulations on the setup my friend, boost is a beautiful thing.Two questions, do you keep the car in manual mode, and if so, did you keep it in manual mode before the turbo as well.

[rjdmmfl1]

Ricky, good job my dude...

I remember talking to you at the Dec 13th meet about you turboing your car... no offense, but I was kind of thinking "yeah OK".. and I only thought that because I see so many people talk S*it about stuff that they don't end up getting... yeah dude, I'm getting this, and this, and this... and they've had their car for 2 years and they still look 100% stock... I'm not calling anybody in particular out on that, its just funny to me...

But back on point, to answer a previous post about keeping the CVt in automatic mode with the turbo, I must add what I've seen. It appears that you get the most "fun" out of the turbo when the CVT is in manual mode. Imagine a turboed car that doesn't lose boost during shifts because, well, there's no gears.. so since the RPM's stay up so high with the CVt in manual mode, its just a pretty damn fun ride! When driving Blake's car,I must say that at 6 PSI, this thing moves. I'm not quite sure why folks feel these numbers are hard to believe as SFR is probably more familiar with the VQ than most other aftermarket turbo companies being that they were one of the first companies to turbo the 350Z back when they came off the line.. The turboed CVT is fast as hell.. PERIOD. Ricky drove Blake's turboed CVT at our Cali meet, and I'm guessing that was the difference maker in him getting his ride turboed. I believe Tim when he says he thinks its getting ~ 340 WHP at 6 PSI, and I'm sure once they put the kit on a manual car, then the nay sayers will end the skepticism.

But, the perhaps whatthe naysayers REALLY need to do, is drop 5K on this turbo and see for yourself... I just can't imagine anyone being disappointed with this!

OH yeah, and once again, Congrats on the turbo Ricky... I'll contact Blake, and see if its OK for me to take a cruise in it, and perhap we can meet up somewhere and see what's what

[LongBeachCoupe]

OOOO dangeris, doc is callin you out... crack the wallet open n tell the wifey your not goin on vacation this summer... ITS TURBO TIME!

Ricky, dont take any of the "questionable" comments to heart dude, its all in learning...

Ive heard pretty good results off those damn iphone dynometer things.. Obviously its not an exact science by any means, but it should put it in the right neighborhood (feel free to b****slap me on this comment though lol)

I also just found some nifty calculators that the Q guys say are legit...http://www.smokemup.com/auto_math/hp_mp ... et.phpBoth found on http://www.smokemup.com/auto_math/index.php

You need to estimate the drivetrain loss which is a big estimation, and then theres also driver error, but those 2 calcs, in conjunction to an iphone, and i think you can deduct some reasonably interesting information from it.

I was really bummed when I met blake in cali and his car was in the shop.... i thought id get a ride in a turbo, instead he pulled up in a military econoline van lol...

[DAAN.]

R♦obert, do you drive semi manual ? I've never tried it, just stick it in D and that is it.Why would you put it in semi ? Does it launch better ?

[rjdmmfl1]

OOOO dangeris, doc is callin you out...

First, let me say I have nothing but respect for Darryl.. yes I was speaking about him regarding being one of the naysayers, but he's a "proof is in the pudding" kind of guy being a scientist, so I understand his skepticism. In no way was Ispeaking about him talking sh*t and not actually getting what he wants... have you seen his car ... but I will say that Darryl has every right to be skeptical, just like I'm skeptical of his CVT doing 150+... as I said earlier, it must be the doors

R♦obert, do you drive semi manual ? I've never tried it, just stick it in D and that is it.Why would you put it in semi ? Does it launch better ?

OK, I've driven the A/C CVT in manual mode on both a NA car and in an a FI application. The biggest benefit I see to driving in manual mode is better control of the vehicle. Not as much control as the MT guys of curse, but when it comes to controlling the car's acceleration from a roll, it definately responds better when being driven in manual mode, dropping a (simulated) gear and putting the petal to the floor. I've driven other automatic cars that have manual modes, and, IMO, the manual mode in Nissans and Infinitis allow for better vehicle response compared to other companies' vehicles in the same price range (Chevy, Chryslters, Hyundais, I've tried em all and they SUCK!)

Now in the A/C, CVT with a FI application , you feel the car's response even more. In both application, downshifting is where I see the most benefit in keeping the car in manual mode, especially when hitting curves, on/off ramps, windy mountain roads or canyon runs. Now this is just my un-professional opinion from what I've experienced.. I AM NOT TURBO TIM when it comes to car performance.... I'm not even a performance junkie, but I am still considering buying the CVT turbo kit for the A/C.. that's just how much fun it is to drive. I'm sure driving a turboed car in a manual application is fun also, but in a CVt is just a different experience.... just my .03

[dangeris]

Ricky, Let me make this clear, I love your setup and I'm pissed that all of the good freakin tuners are out on the West Freakin' Coast! Doc Is right, it would be fun to run a Turbo on a CVT that doesn't loose boost! No need to get an ALS if you don't loose boost!

As for Doc Calling me out,..Yeah, I've been debating it and believe me I want a Turbo...Bad.

All I'm doing guys is throwing comments and concerns out there to spark conversation so everything is known and nothing is a surprise if any of us decide to purchase a turbo whether it be from SFR or another outfit.

Again, congrats Ricky on your setup

[LongBeachCoupe]

Doc, I know you were just bustin chops, and darryl wont stfu till hes got a turbo...

Darryl, skip the small talk, shake down your kids/grandkids for an early bday present and go FI! LOL!

[dangeris]

Doc, I know you were just bustin chops, and darryl wont stfu till hes got a turbo...

Darryl, skip the small talk, shake down your kids/grandkids for an early bday present and go FI! LOL!

I'm considering it....Really I am!

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

Doc, I know you were just bustin chops, and darryl wont stfu till hes got a turbo...

Darryl, skip the small talk, shake down your kids/grandkids for an early bday present and go FI! LOL!

lol i agree......where would he get a turbo though on the east coast???

[LongBeachCoupe]

Tim, Ricky, Blake..

Ive got a few questions, mind you im not the most educated on FI, so some of it may not make full sense..

Can the boost be turned off? From the drivers seat? (is that a stupid question? lol)What about the PSI, can it be changed from the seat (lowered for less boost and then jacked up?)

You install turbo gauges(i think), that show you the boost as its happening in realtime... Is there a difference in the performance while boostin in CVT as opposed to Manual mode?

I know blake told me in the past while driving in CVT mode that the blowoff valve hits when you take your foot off the gas (rather than at each gear change) but does the "boost-ability" factor change during CVT as opposed to Manual mode (on the CVT engine)?

Also, what happens if you flip from CVT to Manual mode while driving and the boost is feeding the engine??

Sorry for the lack of organization in the questions! This is a learning experience about FI for me.

[LongBeachCoupe]

lol i agree......where would he get a turbo though on the east coast???

You have asked this before...He can buy the turbo in this thread, and have it installed locally... or maybe go out to Vinny Ten (who you should already know about) but IDK if he has any experience on CVT engines.

[08altima35]

reading your plans of 9 psi boost, i'm going to recommend you don't do it for any period of time longer than a quick run down the track and prolly not even then. I've had mine up to 8 lbs. and doubt there will be anything left of your transmission after a couple runs boosting that much and the car already reacts well to 6lbs. so there's really no need unless you have money for another motor and or transmission or if SFR will warranty your motor & transmission when boosting that much which is prolly not going to happen. I feel you though on wanting more boost. It's the same for everyone with a turbo.

[speedforce180]

I wasnt taking dangeris post offensive but I was just stating facts. His estimates are way off for this engine.

Tim

[dangeris]

I wasnt taking dangeris post offensive but I was just stating facts. His estimates are way off for this engine.

Tim

No Problem Tim. A lot of folks here are not familiar with Turbos other than the fact it makes you go fast. This is an open forum where we can throw out questions like LBC just did and get answers that make sense. I appreciate you telling me that my numbers are wrong but please, don't just tell me I'm wrong, show me why I'm wrong....back it up with numbers or graphs from past dynos that you've done on the CVT. If what you are stating is correct (more like 20hp to 1psi, then that's even more bang to the buck! as well as more appealing to me.

Love your work Tim and wished that you opened a shop here in the East Coast! I'd be you're first customer that's for sure!

[speedforce180]

No Problem Tim. A lot of folks here are not familiar with Turbos other than the fact it makes you go fast. This is an open forum where we can throw out questions like LBC just did and get answers that make sense. I appreciate you telling me that my numbers are wrong but please, don't just tell me I'm wrong, show me why I'm wrong....back it up with numbers or graphs from past dynos that you've done on the CVT. If what you are stating is correct (more like 20hp to 1psi, then that's even more bang to the buck! as well as more appealing to me.

Love your work Tim and wished that you opened a shop here in the East Coast! I'd be you're first customer that's for sure!

I guess this is a double edged sword because you are asking me to back up what I am saying with a dyno from a CVT but the CVT cannot be dynoed accurately The only thing I can provide is the single turboed VQ35 FWD automatics we have done.This is what I was basing my information and horsepower qouted off of.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Tim when you get a chance please address my questions on page 2.Thanks!

[speedforce180]

[QUOTE=LongBeachCoupe]Tim, Ricky, Blake..

Ive got a few questions, mind you im not the most educated on FI, so some of it may not make full sense..

Can the boost be turned off? From the drivers seat? (is that a stupid question? lol)What about the PSI, can it be changed from the seat (lowered for less boost and then jacked up?)

Boost cannot be turned off.It can be lowered by running a really weak wastegate spring but cannot be turned off.With an electrnoic controller like we installed in Rickys car,he has the ability to run three different boost settigs at a touch of a button from inside the car.

You install turbo gauges(i think), that show you the boost as its happening in realtime... Is there a difference in the performance while boostin in CVT as opposed to Manual mode?

A little.The manual mode feels more like a real transmission.LOL.

I know blake told me in the past while driving in CVT mode that the blowoff valve hits when you take your foot off the gas (rather than at each gear change) but does the "boost-ability" factor change during CVT as opposed to Manual mode (on the CVT engine)?

Yes.In manual mode,the BOV will go off on each simulated shift where as in auto mode it does not go off until you let off the throttle.

Also, what happens if you flip from CVT to Manual mode while driving and the boost is feeding the engine??

I dont know,I havent tried that but I suspect ,nothing really except for it siwtching over.


Modified by speedforce180 at 1:29 PM 4/8/2009

[dangeris]

Tim, A friend of mine has that "controller" (not sure what it's exactly called) and it works out great when his wife uses the car. Is that part of the package that you offer or is that an add on? If and add on, what's the cost for that item and is there a particular brand you use?

I guess this is a double edged sword because you are asking me to back up what I am saying with a dyno from a CVT but the CVT cannot be dynoed accurately The only thing I can provide is the single turboed VQ35 FWD automatics we have done.This is what I was basing my information and horsepower qouted off of.

fair enough!

[LongBeachCoupe]

Tim... Regarding performance numbers, we know the CVT cant be dyno'd successfully....

Taking that into consideration, does the car's boost performance differ while in CVT mode in comparison to Manual mode? Are all 3 boost levels capable in CVT and in Manual mode?

Thanks!

[Maverick7687]

Awesome install.. Looks like it should be there (as well it should).. Now.. If someone has said this already I apologize for being redundant... But WHERE IS THE VIDEO? I Wanna see this thing in action.. Maybe I will scour Youtube and see what I can find..

[surmanm]

Tim... Regarding performance numbers, we know the CVT cant be dyno'd successfully....

Taking that into consideration, does the car's boost performance differ while in CVT mode in comparison to Manual mode? Are all 3 boost levels capable in CVT and in Manual mode?

Thanks!

thats what i wanna know when in CVT mode say at the highest boost level setting,will you get the same psi of boost in cvt mode as you would in the simulated manual mode ???????

[speedforce180]

Tim, A friend of mine has that "controller" (not sure what it's exactly called) and it works out great when his wife uses the car. Is that part of the package that you offer or is that an add on? If and add on, what's the cost for that item and is there a particular brand you use?

fair enough!

We might be able to do some G-tech runs or something like that to get an idea if our estimates are close. I actually think they are a bit conservative

The elctronics boost controllers are add-ons and we use Greddy,HKS and Blitz mainly but we can install just about anyone on the market and set it up.The one we used in Rickys car is the Greddy Profec-b specII and it was about $449 plus the install.

[speedforce180]

Tim... Regarding performance numbers, we know the CVT cant be dyno'd successfully....

Taking that into consideration, does the car's boost performance differ while in CVT mode in comparison to Manual mode? Are all 3 boost levels capable in CVT and in Manual mode?

Thanks!

In both modes there is a dramatic improvemnet in horsepower.

Tim

[speedforce180]

thats what i wanna know when in CVT mode say at the highest boost level setting,will you get the same psi of boost in cvt mode as you would in the simulated manual mode ???????

Yes.