Another Bush failure

[audtatious]

Yes Congress can and they did in May with the comprehensive farm bill.

[ishkabibble]

Better look at their voting records a bit more

What is your point here?

What about the last 2 years that Dems have been over Congress. Just curious.

They are half to blame?

[rn79870]

Actually 1/2 of 1/4 = 1/8th to blame. I'd agree that's about right.

[ishkabibble]

They have enough power to bring the government to a standstill. I'd give them more of a fraction than that.

[audtatious]

What is your point here?

You act as if everything was partisan over the 6 years of Rep control. It was too partisan for me but nowhere near the amount you are hinting at

They are half to blame?

If you follow your or Bobs logic they are not to blame for anything over the last 8 years. They just sat around doing nothing and didn't vote on anything (including the last 2 years because they are spineless). Democratic failures are _always_ blamed on the republicans. I get it.

[szh]

Democratic failures are _always_ blamed on the republicans. I get it.

Not just Republicans in general ... it is always "Bush's fault"!!

Z

[ishkabibble]

You act as if everything was partisan over the 6 years of Rep control. It was too partisan for me but nowhere near the amount you are hinting at

"Employing a method known as "catch and release," DeLay allowed centrist or moderately conservative Republicans to take turns voting against controversial bills. If a representative said that a bill was unpopular in his district, then DeLay would ask him to vote for it only if his vote were necessary for passage; if his vote were not needed, then the representative would be able to vote against the party without reprisal."

What were you saying again?

If you follow your or Bobs logic they are not to blame for anything over the last 8 years. They just sat around doing nothing and didn't vote on anything (including the last 2 years because they are spineless). Democratic failures are _always_ blamed on the republicans. I get it.

How exactly are the Dems to blame for what happened from 2000 through 2006?

[audtatious]

What were you saying again?

The dems filibustered everything? They had that right, didn't they? The Republicans didn't have a supermajority. I also find it a BS that up and down votes are kept from happening.

How exactly are the Dems to blame for what happened from 2000 through 2006?

Congress as a whole has a good portion of the blame. Of course, you only blame those who had the majority. That's fine, I blame the Democratic party who has the majority today for the housing crisis and high gas prices.

[ishkabibble]

The dems filibustered everything? They had that right, didn't they? The Republicans didn't have a supermajority. I also find it a BS that up and down votes are kept from happening.

Congress as a whole has a good portion of the blame. Of course, you only blame those who had the majority. That's fine, I blame the Democratic party who has the majority today for the housing crisis and high gas prices.

The Dems were threatened with a "nuclear option" on the filibuster, weren't they?

"I also find it a BS that up and down votes are kept from happening." - Isn't this contrary to your faulting the Dems for not filibustering?

So, I ask again, how exactly are the Dems to blame for what happened from 2000-2006?

By the way, what happened to "I'm only going to post on this forum when drunk?"

[smockers83]

I now see why Katrina slipped by Washington's notice. Bush was looking for Catrina.

Pardon me. Katrina.

Bush was in control of FEMA? Huh, that's news to me.

[smockers83]

By the way, what happened to "I'm only going to post on this forum when drunk?"

Now that would make for an interesting political forum. May the debauchery begin!

[ishkabibble]

Bush was in control of FEMA? Huh, that's news to me.

He nominates the Director. So, yes, more or less.

[audtatious]

By the way, what happened to "I'm only going to post on this forum when drunk?"

I've asked bob for specific failures over that 6 year timeframe that did not involve the dems fingers in the cookie jar. I ask the same of you. That's my whole point, without a supermajority the dems have to show some support of bills or they don't get passed regardless of the "nuclear option". Your comeback is that the dems are spineless which I guess means they are not to blame because of it. I would say the exact opposite.

I will try and do better tonight if I drink anything and maybe I should simply stop posting in this forum full of constant circle-jerking.

[rn79870]

The last eight years of Republican-run foreign policy, however, have undermined US security and global stability in highly visible ways. Since a Republican president took over in 2001, the United States has invaded two countries.

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the Republicans' continued opposition to extending renewable energy incentives. Eight times since the fall of 2007, a Republican-threatened filibuster has thwarted a vote on extending these incentives. The GOP has held the renewable energy industry hostage to its demand that Congress not reduce the existing subsidies to oil companies

Even a cursory perusal of the media shows that Republicans have succeeded in putting the focus on offshore drilling. Democrats have reacted by arguing that this strategy would supply too little additional oil much too late to have any significant impact.

I'm all for it, but even I realize it isn't the sole answer. AndDemocratic leaders slammed Republicans on Monday for threatening to force a government shutdown this fall unless Congress lifts the ban on offshore oil drilling and for simultaneously demanding lawmakers return from the August recess to vote on more drilling.

Those are just the energy issues.Now, I'd mention just about everything on Obama's ticket of promise as mistakes the Republican led government has failed to deliver on. Tax cuts for the wealthy, lack of health care, a failed war in Iraq, never mind the deliberate misleading that has occurred since it started.

Do you really want to know how the Republican's have failed us in the last 8 years? That's like asking the loosing team if they considered their 20 point deficit more of a win than a loss.

Oh, by the way. It is a leaders job to take charge and accomplish something, instead of looking for excuses and pointing fingers. If, as in the case we now have, the government has failed, let's put the blame where it belongs. Right on the shoulders of GW.

[OriginalWheelman]

Oh, by the way. It is a leaders job to take charge and accomplish something, instead of looking for excuses and pointing fingers. If, as in the case we now have, the government has failed, let's put the blame where it belongs. Right on the shoulders of GW.

I can not seriously believe you believe this. So if your kid goes out and does something stupid, you should be blamed because you were the one in charge. So if the clerk at work sets fire to the office, we fire the manager. If a tech in a garage forgets to lube a bearing during an engine rebuild, we fire the head tech, right?

He resigned (was not fired) from FEMA,

It is common courtesy in the white collar world to offer someone a chance to resign before firing them. It's considered an admission of fault, and leaving the job because of it. Being fired looks really bad on a resume so they are given a chance to save face. You would be grateful if it were you.

Actually 1/2 of 1/4 = 1/8th to blame. I'd agree that's about right.

Last I checked the Congress was 1/3 of the Federal Gov...

[srellim234]

Original- I was responding to smocker's comment about getting fired for doing a poor job. The Bush Administration not only let Brown resign, they extended his employment contract and kept him around a couple of extra months. He comes out of there as a CEO in a data mining firm and gets a new federal government contract. Smacks of cronyism and the Bush Administration rewarding the guy for taking the fall.

I've been in corporate operations for a couple of different multibillion dollar drug companies. When we "pressured" people to resign for doing a poor job, we didn't immediately reward them with new multimillion dollar contracts at their new jobs.

[audtatious]

The last eight years of Republican-run foreign policy, however, have undermined US security and global stability in highly visible ways. Since a Republican president took over in 2001, the United States has invaded two countries.

Yep, we invaded two countries completely alone. I hope you are whipping yourself nightly as penance in order to feel the sting of what a war mongering country we are. Why, forcing those people into a form of Democracy when all they wanted was to be punished by Saddam and fed to his sons pet tigers. We should be ashamed we did that instead of going into Darfur

the Republicans' continued opposition to extending renewable energy incentives. Eight times since the fall of 2007, a Republican-threatened filibuster has thwarted a vote on extending these incentives. The GOP has held the renewable energy industry hostage to its demand that Congress not reduce the existing subsidies to oil companies

Windfall taxes and tax code changes? While portions of the legislation provided tax benefits to various types of energy production, it would help establish or determine who would gain or lose in the public sector and the end result of some of the legislation would have resulted in additional revenue to the Gov. While looking at some of the bills there is some very good legislation in them but our insightful Congress keeps putting "add ons" to them which spoil the overall impact. Again, Congress is failing. If a bill with tons of crap can't pass why not pull the parts out that can pass and put them together for approval? Hell no, that's too simple.

Even a cursory perusal of the media shows that Republicans have succeeded in putting the focus on offshore drilling. Democrats have reacted by arguing that this strategy would supply too little additional oil much too late to have any significant impact.

Too little too late. Wasn't that the cry of the Dem party 8-10 years ago? At what point do we need to do everything possible to ensure we can provide our citizens with energy?

Honestly, it's pointless for me to say the same thing over and over again to you.

Oh, by the way. It is a leaders job to take charge and accomplish something, instead of looking for excuses and pointing fingers. If, as in the case we now have, the government has failed, let's put the blame where it belongs. Right on the shoulders of GW.

It's also the job of Congress to work with the Executive branch. Instead we had a Republican Congress which dealt with filibusters and now we have a dem controlled Congress dealing with filibusters. Your one-sided and narrow scoped views are absolutely absurd. Go ahead and keep toeing the party line because all it does is show how narrow minded you are in blaming all of our Gov's failures on the one person you absolutely despise. I will make it a point to do the same damn thing with Obama if he gets elected just for the hell of it. If Mac gets it you will simply extend your scope to him as you have shown on here recently. I'm pretty disappointed that you have left any semblance of moderate thought behind you these last few months. To you it's the Democrat way or no way at all and debate is worthless.

[rn79870]

I think what is lost on the Republicans as they scurry around pointing the finger at the congressional problems is the effect of a strong, focused leader. We haven't had such a leader for the last 8 years and most have forgot what that provides.

The bottom line; when a leader can't lead, the subordinates can't follow. Perhaps if a leader wasn't so involved in a major strategic disaster, he could pay a little more attention to the business of running our country, instead of every other country in the world. Just a thought for Change...

[smockers83]

He nominates the Director. So, yes, more or less.

Yes, that's true. So is it his fault for the crappy job another person did? Bush may be in charge of that guy, but that guy is in charge of what he's doing. If what he's doing fails, its that guy who is at fault. Its just like hiring a person--they work for awhile and they start f'in up, and then they get fired. The manager isn't responsible for that, he just needs to find another person. Although if the manager hires people and they keep doing bad jobs, then it is a problem of the manager not hiring good people.

[audtatious]

I think what is lost on the Republicans as they scurry around pointing the finger at the congressional problems is the effect of a strong, focused leader. We haven't had such a leader for the last 8 years and most have forgot what that provides.

The bottom line; when a leader can't lead, the subordinates can't follow. Perhaps if a leader wasn't so involved in a major strategic disaster, he could pay a little more attention to the business of running our country, instead of every other country in the world. Just a thought for Change...

Show me specifically what Obama is going to do and how he is going to do it? I'm not talking about his talking points of "I'm going to fix health care, I'm going to fix Iraq/Iran, I'm going to fix Russia" crap, I'm talking specifically what steps and measures he's going to take. How is he going to fix healthcare, what exactly does he see as the real healthcare problem, how is he going to fund it, where is the money coming from, what will that really fix, what portion of the population will not see any benefit from his healthcare changes, which portion of the population will see a negative benefit, what will his changes mean in real medicinal value to patients, etc etc etc. Don't bother pasting from his website because it's not there.

Guess what, he has no specifics. It's all feel-good policy so democrats will follow him. Hell, his speach at the convention was nothing but showing he means to pull in more tax dollars in order to become more of a socialistit Gov in order to have more people rely on the Gov instead of themselves to make changes in their lives. You may find that appealing but I sure don't. Of course, as I've seen over the last couple months my opinion does not matter as I have the label of a "backwoods hick republican from Indiana who does not see the benefits of having the Gov provide for me and my family".

So be it.

[rn79870]

I did post that, all of that.zer...peech

Of course, this is merely his plan. I could offer the same argument with respect him having a plan and not offering more of what we have had as his platform.

Like any plan, you need to address what needs change,which he has done, and then, the next step is to outline how you are going to do implement those changes. He's done that too.

[audtatious]

Tax the rich while increasing spending is always a plan. Maybe I should cut off my right hand to spite my left hand too.